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Genero36
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pilight
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Posted: 06/10/19 1:29 pm ::: |
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It's tough to rank him because he plays in All Time weak era. 85% of the slams the last 15 years have been won by just three guys.
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 06/10/19 1:49 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
It's tough to rank him because he plays in All Time weak era. 85% of the slams the last 15 years have been won by just three guys. |
Or is it playing in an area with multiple all-time legends?
Frankly, the bigger issue with Nadal is 12 of his 18 GS titles have come at the French Open. He is the greatest clay court player of all-time, no doubt. But overall?
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Genero36
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 06/10/19 2:41 pm ::: |
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Genero36 wrote: |
Which era do you define as the strongest in men's tennis?
1960's (Led by Laver and Emerson)
1970's (Led by Rosewall, Newcombe, Connors, Borg and Vilas)
1980's (Led by McEnroe, Connors and Lendl)
1990's (Led by Sampras, Courier and Agassi) |
It feels weird to not mention the 1980s (and 1990s) and not include Stefan Edberg, Mats Wilander, and Boris Becker.
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cthskzfn
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Posted: 06/11/19 11:23 am ::: |
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i would LOVE to see today's elite players use wooden rackets!
Imagine MLB using "hi-tech" bats.
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Genero36
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Posted: 09/08/19 7:46 pm ::: |
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Over the past year, I have went from a Nadal fan to someone who doesn't like him too much.
I'll just say that he's a passive-aggressive ASSHOLE and leave it at that.
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Posted: 09/09/19 8:09 am ::: |
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Of course it does. The younger generation of men's players sucks. |
I don't appreciate Daniil throwing that towel at the ball person in the earlier round. That elevated my blood pressure but he really had me rooting for him yesterday. He showed he's got some umph.
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cthskzfn
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Posted: 09/09/19 9:47 am ::: |
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Genero36 wrote: |
Over the past year, I have went from a Nadal fan to someone who doesn't like him too much.
I'll just say that he's a passive-aggressive ASSHOLE and leave it at that. |
I experienced the same evolution.
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 09/09/19 4:02 pm ::: |
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Have no idea who's the GOAT since the high-tech racket introduction in the post-1968 Open Era, but Nadal surely has to be considered.
In the mid-50's, when I began watching, Pancho Gonzales and Lew Hoad were the big names, with Pancho being the more charismatic. He's thus been imprinted on my mind as my FOAT.
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"Remembering Big Pancho"
By Joseph B. Stahl
Tennis Week Curator & Editor At Large Joseph B. Stahl has served as an analyst for Radio Wimbledon since 1995.
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I have my doubts as to whether Laver even at his best could have lived with heavyweight hitters like Ellsworth Vines, Budge, Kramer and Hoad, who all had huge, overpowering attacking games like Gonzales’s, and doubts as well as to where Gonzales himself stacks up against those tigers. I do give Pancho an edge over them all, as I did in a 1993 article, but only a slim one, and with misgivings. Vines and Hoad were very much up-and-down erratic geniuses who had bad days in which they could and did lose to anybody, but it was generally agreed among their peers that when they were on, "you might as well just go have tea or go home" (Budge), and Gonzales said of Hoad, "When Lew Hoad was at his peak nobody could touch him."
People ask me where I think Roger Federer would fit in with that mix of bombers. Forget about it: as hard as it had always been to compare players of different time periods within the wood-racket era, the fact that tennis with modern rackets is a completely different sport makes it impossible to compare players across the technology gap. All I can tell you is that if you gave Federer a wooden racket and told him to go out and beat Gonzales at his best, my money would be on Gonzales, though conversely if you gave the mid-1950s Gonzales a high-tech racket and told him to beat Federer today, my money would have to stay in my pocket for that one. Gonzales was a fulminating maniac on a tennis court, and it’s hard to see him losing to anyone when he was at the top of his powers, but if Gonzales had to face a shark like Federer while using a strange racket, you’d have to be mad as a hatter to count Federer’s chances out completely. |
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