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I can't post there so I ask it here. Can someone tell me why some of the seasoned citizens on the Boner are OBSESSING over adding a post player for next year? ANNA COMMITS! "Fine but we need a post player." EVELYN COMMITS! "Fine but we need a post player." EVINA COMMITS! "Fine but we need a post player."
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1. There are very few great post players in wimin's basketball. Baylor and ND were rarities having 2 in the starting lineup last year.
2. Most of the elite post players are off to the WNBA this year. Kalani, Shepard, Turner, and McGowan. Most of the other top teams for 2020 strength is with their guards (Oregon), not big physical elite posts.
3. UConn played last year with a severely undersized frontcourt of Collier and Walker and still were in a position to make it to the title game.
4. The increased playing time for ONO will make UConn bigger than last year. Not to mention the additions of Evelyn, Aubrey, and some big guards like Anna and Evina.
Why are they so hung up on this one thing? Battered wife syndrome? Seems we have enough size? |
What?!? YOU'RE happy now?? Because it looks like the Return to 2005 has been avoided w/ these additions?
How many non-DT NCs does Geno have w/o a serious post presence/rebounding?
In the immortal words of the great Brenton Wood- Just
gimme some kind of size, girl. |
1. Yes, anything that can prevent a return to 2005 makes me happy. I even went back and watched the game at BC in 2005 (51-48 loss where Annie Struthers drove for a 2 instead of even attempting a 3 and oh yeah BC was without their best player and the conference regular season was a stake) just to try and prepare myself. It was even worse that I remembered. NEVER AGAIN!
2. None. But the 2 DT ones count. And do you not consider ONO a serious post presence in year 2? |
Dreamboat Annie...from that little behind the back move/score to the missed FTs to that MOST PREPOSTEROUS drive at BC! She gave and she took.
Do you see a DT on the roster? (American, not Polish) 
And DT did have JMo, who had evolved past her early JBlo status and was an excellent interior defender and was Brianna Turner-like on offense.
Yea, tho we may not walk thru the Valley (Sisters) of Darkness again, we are still bereft of size, Yoko notwithstanding. She has potential, for sure, and should be improved next year, but who knows by what degree? She may blossom. She may remain a fouling machine. Idk.
ETA: I DO know that it is going to be a lot better than it looked a few weeks ago. 
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| Posted: 05/11/19 5:23 pm ::: |
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Difference is I think Shepard wanted to play for Connie Yori, so her firing was negative.
Evina Westbrook was as close as you could get for a player to publicly ask for their coach to be fired. She got what she wanted, so now its a hardship and she should be immediately eligible at UConn? Nope. |
Agreed. WTF, Evina? You got what you wanted, then you didn't want what you got. Grow up girl.
She should sit just for that.
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| Posted: 05/11/19 5:26 pm ::: |
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| Wonder what position EW plays next year and the year after. |
I have the impression that Westbrook's a better passer than Christyn Williams, so if she plays this season, she might be the alternative point guard when Dangerfield is out of the game or in another position on a play. Other than that, E should be able to swing between 2 and 3.
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| And DT did have JMo |
She also had the 6-2 Willnett Crockett, the only player I've ever seen who hit the shot clock on a layup, but who also could get key rebounds and once saved an NCAA tourney game with some hustle play I've forgotten. |
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| Posted: 05/11/19 5:51 pm ::: |
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| Wonder what position EW plays next year and the year after. |
I have the impression that Westbrook's a better passer than Christyn Williams, so if she plays this season, she might be the alternative point guard when Dangerfield is out of the game or in another position on a play. Other than that, E should be able to swing between 2 and 3.
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| And DT did have JMo |
She also had the 6-2 Willnett Crockett, the only player I've ever seen who hit the shot clock on a layup, but who also could get key rebounds and once saved an NCAA tourney game with some hustle play I've forgotten. |
Big WILL Crock along with a Jordanesque final minutes by DT3 led a miracle comeback vs Texas in the semis. We looked dead down 9 late 2nd half. Than BIG WILL CROCK sparked a comeback for the ages. The days when UConn was the aggressor and tougher team late in tight 4th qtr semi games!
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| Posted: 05/11/19 5:53 pm ::: |
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Difference is I think Shepard wanted to play for Connie Yori, so her firing was negative.
Evina Westbrook was as close as you could get for a player to publicly ask for their coach to be fired. She got what she wanted, so now its a hardship and she should be immediately eligible at UConn? Nope. |
Agreed. WTF, Evina? You got what you wanted, then you didn't want what you got. Grow up girl.
She should sit just for that. |
Tennessee fans now having to try to sabotage the girls waiver. Southern hospitality baby!
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| Posted: 05/11/19 5:56 pm ::: |
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I can't post there so I ask it here. Can someone tell me why some of the seasoned citizens on the Boner are OBSESSING over adding a post player for next year? ANNA COMMITS! "Fine but we need a post player." EVELYN COMMITS! "Fine but we need a post player." EVINA COMMITS! "Fine but we need a post player."
?????????
FACTS:
1. There are very few great post players in wimin's basketball. Baylor and ND were rarities having 2 in the starting lineup last year.
2. Most of the elite post players are off to the WNBA this year. Kalani, Shepard, Turner, and McGowan. Most of the other top teams for 2020 strength is with their guards (Oregon), not big physical elite posts.
3. UConn played last year with a severely undersized frontcourt of Collier and Walker and still were in a position to make it to the title game.
4. The increased playing time for ONO will make UConn bigger than last year. Not to mention the additions of Evelyn, Aubrey, and some big guards like Anna and Evina.
Why are they so hung up on this one thing? Battered wife syndrome? Seems we have enough size? |
What?!? YOU'RE happy now?? Because it looks like the Return to 2005 has been avoided w/ these additions?
How many non-DT NCs does Geno have w/o a serious post presence/rebounding?
In the immortal words of the great Brenton Wood- Just
gimme some kind of size, girl. |
1. Yes, anything that can prevent a return to 2005 makes me happy. I even went back and watched the game at BC in 2005 (51-48 loss where Annie Struthers drove for a 2 instead of even attempting a 3 and oh yeah BC was without their best player and the conference regular season was a stake) just to try and prepare myself. It was even worse that I remembered. NEVER AGAIN!
2. None. But the 2 DT ones count. And do you not consider ONO a serious post presence in year 2? |
Dreamboat Annie...from that little behind the back move/score to the missed FTs to that MOST PREPOSTEROUS drive at BC! She gave and she took.
Do you see a DT on the roster? (American, not Polish)
And DT did have JMo, who had evolved past her early JBlo status and was an excellent interior defender and was Brianna Turner-like on offense.
Yea, tho we may not walk thru the Valley (Sisters) of Darkness again, we are still bereft of size, Yoko notwithstanding. She has potential, for sure, and should be improved next year, but who knows by what degree? She may blossom. She may remain a fouling machine. Idk.
ETA: I DO know that it is going to be a lot better than it looked a few weeks ago. |
Oh did she! I will forgive her for the 17 she dropped against the Lady Vols in the 2003 title game! But lord when she became the primary option her last 2 years did things get SLOPPY.
LOL Walking through the Valley Sisters of Darkness!!
"There's a game going on and you turn away for a second and than look and there's Ashley....on the floor for no reason." - Geno Auriemma
"Harharhar....woah."- Culmo
-Geno Show circa 2005 on CPTV
How many glass of wine did Geno drink that off season when he was faced with the Sophie's Choice of starting either Crashley or Frosh Swanier as the PG?
NEVER. AGAIN.
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| Just to clarify, Shepard was one of the anti-Yori's. She didn't like being held accountable for being out of shape and only playing half of the game..so sthu. Imo, EW should be IMMEDIATELY eligible. Next!
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| Posted: 05/11/19 10:10 pm ::: |
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| Just to clarify, Shepard was one of the anti-Yori's. She didn't like being held accountable for being out of shape and only playing half of the game..so sthu. Imo, EW should be IMMEDIATELY eligible. Next! |
That's my recollection as well. I think shepherd gave it a go, saw where the team was going, and headed for greener pastures (pun intended). She wasn't in the Yori Camp.
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| Hell yeah Wilnett!! My worst-ever projection of a UConn recruit. For some reason, i thought she was gonna be special. All-time team leader in getting her shot blocked by the underside of the rim, BUT- she'll ALWAYS have the Texas Miracle!
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| Posted: 05/12/19 9:43 am ::: |
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And if EW is denied a waiver there should be a riot. It would show there is a vendetta against the school. |
Why? UCLA has had 3 transfers in the past 3 years and none of them have received waivers. I can't think of a single transfer into my school who received a waiver. Why should it be presumed that EW should get one? Or should I go ahead and assume that there is a vendetta against my school? |
Were any of those transfer going to play a big role where it was worth applying for the waiver? Were they gonna get PT over the Jordin Canada class that led them to the Elite 8?
Maybe Cori was too busy working on her dance moves to apply? |
I'm quite positive that Natalie Chou would've gotten playing time last year, and that Japreece Dean would've gotten playing time during the year she had to sit, and that Alyssia Brewer would've gotten playing time during the year that she had to sit. Why does Evina Westbrook deserve a waiver and the above three did not? Have we, together, just demonstrated that there's a vendetta against UCLA?
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| Posted: 05/12/19 10:20 am ::: |
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Remind me again why players have to sit at all?
Wouldn't it make it so much more fair if all transfers were immediately eligible?
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| Posted: 05/12/19 10:39 am ::: |
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Remind me again why players have to sit at all?
Wouldn't it make it so much more fair if all transfers were immediately eligible? |
I'd be fine with that!
What I'm not fine with is some having to sit while others (many of whom just happen to be transferring into blue-blood programs) are getting to play immediately. The inconsistency is what bothers me.
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| Posted: 05/12/19 11:22 am ::: |
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| Even though McGraw was one of the biggest benefactors of a unjustified no-wait transfer, she’s said she’s against immediate transfers. I can’t remember her reasoning, but I’m guessing the elite schools have more to lose since they stockpile the talent. The one year waiting period acts as a deterrent and probably encourages some players to tough it out instead of quickly abandoning a program.
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| Posted: 05/12/19 11:34 am ::: |
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http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21284147/transfers-remain-tricky-growing-part-women-college-basketball
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Although the waiver is helping the Irish this season, McGraw said she doesn't want to see women's basketball have a one-time transfer exception -- where anyone can transfer once without sitting out -- as exists in NCAA Division I sports except for football (bowl subdivision), men's and women's hoops, baseball and men's ice hockey.
"I hope not," McGraw said. "Because with 400 transfers this year, and then to say it's an open gate and you can play right away? I think there would be at least double that. It's really hard on the teams that lose people. It takes two years to recover from it, and it puts you in a tough situation trying to fill out a roster."
But the reality is, even when well-intentioned, coaches discussing transfers often end up essentially contradicting themselves: "We're against them ... until we need them." |
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| Posted: 05/12/19 11:46 am ::: |
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| Or maybe the first one could be a freebie, but no more after that....after that you sit. I don't like the inconsistency either. Sitting where I am now, as a fan of a mid-major, I see it much more clearly. And it's not done fairly at all.
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| Posted: 05/12/19 6:41 pm ::: |
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Col. Sanders herself Maria Cornelius is getting dragged on twitter over the Evina transfer!
Oh the rivalry is back!
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| Posted: 05/13/19 11:20 am ::: |
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Starters:
Dangerfield
Williams
Westbrook
Walker
Yoko
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Danger
Williams
Walker
Adebayo
Yoko
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| Posted: 05/13/19 2:23 pm ::: |
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Remind me again why players have to sit at all?
Wouldn't it make it so much more fair if all transfers were immediately eligible? |
I'd be fine with that!
What I'm not fine with is some having to sit while others (many of whom just happen to be transferring into blue-blood programs) are getting to play immediately. The inconsistency is what bothers me. |
The inconsistency might not be so bad if there was more transparency, there were clear hard and fast standards, and it wasn't so totally arbitrary.
But since that's unlikely to happen I'd be in favor (as I've said before) of a system where players were free to contact other schools ( but not vice versa) and free to transfer without waivers or permissions, but every player, without exception, had to sit a year but were guaranteed a full scholarship by the new school for that year and one year (or more) of play.
No more schools blocking transfers, no more ever having to pay your own way in order to transfer, no more conference restrictions, no more arbitrary outcomes. Everyone knows the rules and how it will work before they make their plans.
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| Posted: 05/13/19 3:25 pm ::: |
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Remind me again why players have to sit at all?
Wouldn't it make it so much more fair if all transfers were immediately eligible? |
I'd be fine with that!
What I'm not fine with is some having to sit while others (many of whom just happen to be transferring into blue-blood programs) are getting to play immediately. The inconsistency is what bothers me. |
The inconsistency might not be do bad if there was more transparent, there were clear hard and fast standards, and it wasn't so totally arbitrary.
But since that's unlikely to happen I'd be in favor (as I've said before) of a system where players were free to contact other schools ( but not vice versa) and free to transfer without waivers or permissions, but every player, without exception, had to sit a year but were guaranteed a full scholarship by the new school for that year and one year (or more) of play.
No more schools blocking transfers, no more ever having to pay your own way in order to transfer, no more conference restrictions, no more arbitrary outcomes. Everyone knows the rules and how it will work before they make their plans. |
This is a reasonable proposal and would definitely be a step forward. As Art says, the arbitrariness -- and advantage to those with access to legal help -- that exists right now is unfair to pretty much everyone.
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| Posted: 05/13/19 4:25 pm ::: |
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Remind me again why players have to sit at all?
Wouldn't it make it so much more fair if all transfers were immediately eligible? |
I'd be fine with that!
What I'm not fine with is some having to sit while others (many of whom just happen to be transferring into blue-blood programs) are getting to play immediately. The inconsistency is what bothers me. |
The inconsistency might not be do bad if there was more transparent, there were clear hard and fast standards, and it wasn't so totally arbitrary.
But since that's unlikely to happen I'd be in favor (as I've said before) of a system where players were free to contact other schools ( but not vice versa) and free to transfer without waivers or permissions, but every player, without exception, had to sit a year but were guaranteed a full scholarship by the new school for that year and one year (or more) of play.
No more schools blocking transfers, no more ever having to pay your own way in order to transfer, no more conference restrictions, no more arbitrary outcomes. Everyone knows the rules and how it will work before they make their plans. |
This is a reasonable proposal and would definitely be a step forward. As Art says, the arbitrariness -- and advantage to those with access to legal help -- that exists right now is unfair to pretty much everyone. |
Currently a player must burn her bridges with her current team and coaches without knowing or being able to accurately predict how her transfer will be treated, whether and where she can transfer, whether she'll have to sit out, etc. It's indefensible.
I think the "everyone sits a year" is a reasonable restraint to prevent total anarchy. But the restraints on where to transfer should disappear.
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| Posted: 05/13/19 4:53 pm ::: |
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Remind me again why players have to sit at all?
Wouldn't it make it so much more fair if all transfers were immediately eligible? |
I'd be fine with that!
What I'm not fine with is some having to sit while others (many of whom just happen to be transferring into blue-blood programs) are getting to play immediately. The inconsistency is what bothers me. |
The inconsistency might not be so bad if there was more transparency, there were clear hard and fast standards, and it wasn't so totally arbitrary.
But since that's unlikely to happen I'd be in favor (as I've said before) of a system where players were free to contact other schools ( but not vice versa) and free to transfer without waivers or permissions, but every player, without exception, had to sit a year but were guaranteed a full scholarship by the new school for that year and one year (or more) of play.
No more schools blocking transfers, no more ever having to pay your own way in order to transfer, no more conference restrictions, no more arbitrary outcomes. Everyone knows the rules and how it will work before they make their plans. |
Once again, I find myself in agreement with Art. Will wonders never cease? Seriously, though, that's an excellent proposal and sensible...which is probably why the NCAA would never consider it. *sigh*
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