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summertime blues
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Posted: 04/09/19 9:59 am ::: |
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I think it's a good hire for GT. I remember Nell very well when she coached Auburn.
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FrozenLVFan
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Posted: 04/09/19 10:12 am ::: |
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She'll bring some stability and respectability to the program, and she may well be the best-qualified candidate in their search.
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Ex-Ref
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Posted: 04/09/19 10:24 am ::: |
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So does Nell just go around and clean up after MaChelle?
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“Thank you for showing the fellas that you've got more balls than them,” Haley said, to cheers from the crowd.
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FrozenLVFan
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Posted: 04/09/19 10:29 am ::: |
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Isn't that what Van did after the Pokey scandal?
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petrel
Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Ex-Ref
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Posted: 04/09/19 10:43 am ::: |
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FrozenLVFan wrote: |
Isn't that what Van did after the Pokey scandal? |
But Nell also did it at Purdue.
_________________ "Women are judged on their success, men on their potential. It’s time we started believing in the potential of women." —Muffet McGraw
“Thank you for showing the fellas that you've got more balls than them,” Haley said, to cheers from the crowd.
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stever
Joined: 16 Nov 2004 Posts: 6918 Location: https://womensbasketballdaily.net
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GEF34
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Posted: 04/09/19 11:46 am ::: |
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summertime blues wrote: |
I think it's a good hire for GT. I remember Nell very well when she coached Auburn. |
So a person who retired less than 8 months ago has been out of coaching for so long she probably forgot how (Carolyn Peck) but a person who has not coached since 2012 is a good hire?
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PUmatty
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 16359 Location: Chicago
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Posted: 04/09/19 11:47 am ::: |
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Ex-Ref wrote: |
So does Nell just go around and clean up after MaChelle? |
Right?
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CamrnCrz1974
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 18371 Location: Phoenix
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Posted: 04/09/19 1:51 pm ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
Ex-Ref wrote: |
So does Nell just go around and clean up after MaChelle? |
Right? |
That was my first thought as well!
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PRballer
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Posted: 04/09/19 2:09 pm ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
Ex-Ref wrote: |
So does Nell just go around and clean up after MaChelle? |
Right? |
Can I get a NELL YES?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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PRballer
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CamrnCrz1974
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 18371 Location: Phoenix
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Posted: 04/09/19 3:18 pm ::: |
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Nell Fortner's records at her various head coaching stints/jobs:
--- Overall at Purdue: 17-11 (.607)
--- Overall with U.S. national team: 101-14 (.878)
--- Overall with Indiana Fever: 42-56 (.429)
--- Overall at Auburn: 145-106 (.578)
--- Overall as a college head coach: 162-117 (.581)
--- Overall as a head coach: 305-187 (.620)
https://ramblinwreck.com/fortner-named-womens-basketball-head-coach/
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tfan
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Posted: 04/09/19 3:39 pm ::: |
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Nell Fortner did college volleyball broadcasts (she played both sports in college) in addition to basketball. Surprised to see her go back into coaching because being an announcer/studio host seems like such a good gig. Low hours and no pressure. I don’t know what the pay is, but per-hour it’s probably great. But I guess the money can’t match what coaches get. And it’s a challenge and competition, but after 7 years I would think those fires were cooled down.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 04/09/19 4:50 pm ::: |
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CamrnCrz1974 wrote: |
Nell Fortner's records at her various head coaching stints/jobs:
--- Overall at Purdue: 17-11 (.607)
--- Overall with U.S. national team: 101-14 (.878)
--- Overall with Indiana Fever: 42-56 (.429)
--- Overall at Auburn: 145-106 (.578)
--- Overall as a college head coach: 162-117 (.581)
--- Overall as a head coach: 305-187 (.620)
https://ramblinwreck.com/fortner-named-womens-basketball-head-coach/ |
I don't know how well she will do at GaTech, but that Purdue record is better than the numbers make it seem. She took over a team reeling from the Lin Dunn disaster and that had four returning players. She added a track star and held open try-outs on campus to try to find warm bodies to put on the team. The season started out rough, then she somehow pulled out 12 conference wins, made the NCAAs, and took runner-up ODU to overtime in the second round. It was a coaching performance for the ages, and without her holding the team together like she did there is no way Purdue wins the title two years later.
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 04/09/19 4:53 pm ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
CamrnCrz1974 wrote: |
Nell Fortner's records at her various head coaching stints/jobs:
--- Overall at Purdue: 17-11 (.607)
--- Overall with U.S. national team: 101-14 (.878)
--- Overall with Indiana Fever: 42-56 (.429)
--- Overall at Auburn: 145-106 (.578)
--- Overall as a college head coach: 162-117 (.581)
--- Overall as a head coach: 305-187 (.620)
https://ramblinwreck.com/fortner-named-womens-basketball-head-coach/ |
I don't know how well she will do at GaTech, but that Purdue record is better than the numbers make it seem. She took over a team reeling from the Lin Dunn disaster and that had four returning players. She added a track star and held open try-outs on campus to try to find warm bodies to put on the team. The season started out rough, then she somehow pulled out 12 conference wins, made the NCAAs, and took runner-up ODU to overtime in the second round. It was a coaching performance for the ages, and without her holding the team together like she did there is no way Purdue wins the title two years later. |
1996-97: Purdue (17-11, 12-4 Big Ten – Big Ten regular-season champion, NCAA Tournament)
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pilight
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 66916 Location: Where the action is
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Posted: 04/09/19 5:18 pm ::: |
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CamrnCrz1974 wrote: |
Nell Fortner's records at her various head coaching stints/jobs:
--- Overall at Purdue: 17-11 (.607)
--- Overall with U.S. national team: 101-14 (.878)
--- Overall with Indiana Fever: 42-56 (.429)
--- Overall at Auburn: 145-106 (.578)
--- Overall as a college head coach: 162-117 (.581)
--- Overall as a head coach: 305-187 (.620)
https://ramblinwreck.com/fortner-named-womens-basketball-head-coach/ |
Her total winning percentage, heavily inflated by Team USA, is about the same as Gail Goestenkors winning percentage at Texas.
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CamrnCrz1974
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 18371 Location: Phoenix
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Posted: 04/09/19 5:32 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
CamrnCrz1974 wrote: |
Nell Fortner's records at her various head coaching stints/jobs:
--- Overall at Purdue: 17-11 (.607)
--- Overall with U.S. national team: 101-14 (.878)
--- Overall with Indiana Fever: 42-56 (.429)
--- Overall at Auburn: 145-106 (.578)
--- Overall as a college head coach: 162-117 (.581)
--- Overall as a head coach: 305-187 (.620)
https://ramblinwreck.com/fortner-named-womens-basketball-head-coach/ |
Her total winning percentage, heavily inflated by Team USA, is about the same as Gail Goestenkors winning percentage at Texas. |
Gail Goestenkors' records at her various head coaching stints/jobs:
--- Overall at Duke: 396-99 (.800)
--- Overall at Texas: 102-64 (.614)
--- Overall with USA Basketball: 14-1 (.933) -- 1997 Jones Cup; 2005 FIBA Americas U19
--- Overall as a head coach (college): 498–163 (.753)
--- Overall as a head coach (college and Team USA): 512–164 (.757)
Pilight, I am not sure what using a person's entire career (including Team USA) to compare it to another coach's one college stop (while ignoring her other college coaching job, which was significantly longer) was intended to demonstrate, unless it was intended to demonstrate that Nell Fortner required a significant amount of wins with Team USA to get to the percentage of Gail Goestenkors at Texas, which, while it involved NCAATs every year, did not reach the expectations upon her hiring and is considered disappointing (especially when compared to what she accomplished at Duke).
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pilight
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Posted: 04/09/19 5:39 pm ::: |
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CamrnCrz1974 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
CamrnCrz1974 wrote: |
Nell Fortner's records at her various head coaching stints/jobs:
--- Overall at Purdue: 17-11 (.607)
--- Overall with U.S. national team: 101-14 (.878)
--- Overall with Indiana Fever: 42-56 (.429)
--- Overall at Auburn: 145-106 (.578)
--- Overall as a college head coach: 162-117 (.581)
--- Overall as a head coach: 305-187 (.620)
https://ramblinwreck.com/fortner-named-womens-basketball-head-coach/ |
Her total winning percentage, heavily inflated by Team USA, is about the same as Gail Goestenkors winning percentage at Texas. |
Gail Goestenkors' records at her various head coaching stints/jobs:
--- Overall at Duke: 396-99 (.800)
--- Overall at Texas: 102-64 (.614)
--- Overall with USA Basketball: 14-1 (.933) -- 1997 Jones Cup; 2005 FIBA Americas U19
--- Overall as a head coach (college): 498–163 (.753)
--- Overall as a head coach (college and Team USA): 512–164 (.757)
Pilight, I am not sure what using a person's entire career (including Team USA) to compare it to another coach's one college stop (while ignoring her other college coaching job, which was significantly longer) was intended to demonstrate, unless it was intended to demonstrate that Nell Fortner required a significant amount of wins with Team USA to get to the percentage of Gail Goestenkors at Texas, which, while it involved NCAATs every year, did not reach the expectations upon her hiring and is considered disappointing (especially when compared to what she accomplished at Duke). |
That's what I was getting at. Fortner's record seems impressive, but would be lackluster for a school expecting to be making deep tournament runs.
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pilight
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 04/09/19 6:06 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
That's what I was getting at. Fortner's record seems impressive, but would be lackluster for a school expecting to be making deep tournament runs. |
Ah, gotcha. I took the scenic route, but I got to the point you were trying to make.
But PUMatty's note about the 1996-1997 Purdue squad is also interesting. Would be curious to see what would have happened had she stayed there.
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pilight
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PrideFan
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Posted: 04/09/19 6:36 pm ::: |
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Anyone hearing anything about Hofstra?
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Ex-Ref
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Posted: 04/09/19 9:58 pm ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
CamrnCrz1974 wrote: |
Nell Fortner's records at her various head coaching stints/jobs:
--- Overall at Purdue: 17-11 (.607)
--- Overall with U.S. national team: 101-14 (.878)
--- Overall with Indiana Fever: 42-56 (.429)
--- Overall at Auburn: 145-106 (.578)
--- Overall as a college head coach: 162-117 (.581)
--- Overall as a head coach: 305-187 (.620)
https://ramblinwreck.com/fortner-named-womens-basketball-head-coach/ |
I don't know how well she will do at GaTech, but that Purdue record is better than the numbers make it seem. She took over a team reeling from the Lin Dunn disaster and that had four returning players. She added a track star and held open try-outs on campus to try to find warm bodies to put on the team. The season started out rough, then she somehow pulled out 12 conference wins, made the NCAAs, and took runner-up ODU to overtime in the second round. It was a coaching performance for the ages, and without her holding the team together like she did there is no way Purdue wins the title two years later. |
I remember reading an article that the coaches (Nell, Carolyn Peck, Pam Stackhouse and Kerry Cremeans were watching tape of an incoming recruit (Diamond Desmond maybe) and on the tape was another player that impressed them. They made contact and the player hadn't been recruited and ended up going to Purdue. That player was Michelle Duhart.
_________________ "Women are judged on their success, men on their potential. It’s time we started believing in the potential of women." —Muffet McGraw
“Thank you for showing the fellas that you've got more balls than them,” Haley said, to cheers from the crowd.
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