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[tfan]

Chris Cuomo just said on CNN something I have heard Republicans defending the president say: collusion is not a crime. And he said that is why the Meuller report does not actually say "collusion". He said that it says "no conspiracy".

Cuomo criticized Trump supporters for celebrating that he isn't guilty of a felony. But that works both ways and he did not mention the flip side - Democrats are disappointed that the president wasn't guilty of a felony.

[justintyme]

[Genero36]

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[Genero36]

I don’t know – it’s hard for me to see any U.S. ties to Russia…

Except...

for the Roger Stone things
and the Manafort things
and the Cohen things
and the Flynn things
and the Maria Butina / NRA thing
and the NRA campaign contribution thing
and the Tillerson thing
and the Sessions thing
and the Kushner thing
and the Carter Page thing
and the Felix Sater thing
and the Boris Ephsteyn thing
and the Rosneft thing
and the Gazprom thing
and the Sergey Gorkov banker thing
and the Azerbaijan thing
and the “I love Putin” thing
and the Donald Trump, Jr. thing
and the Sergey Kislyak thing
and the Russian Affiliated Interests thing
and the Russian Business Interests thing
and the Emoluments Clause thing
and the Alex Schnaider thing
and the hack of the DNC thing
and the Guccifer 2.0 thing
and the Mike Pence “I don’t know anything” thing
and the Russians mysteriously dying thing
and Trump’s public request to Russia to hack Hillary’s email thing
and the Trump house sale for $100 million at the bottom of the housing bust to the Russian fertilizer king thing
and the Russian fertilizer king’s plane showing up in Concord, NC during Trump rally campaign thing
and the Nunes sudden flight to the White House in the night thing
and the Nunes personal investments in the Russian winery thing
and the Wilbur Ross with his Cyprus bank thing
and Trump not releasing his tax returns thing
and the Republican Party’s rejection of an amendment to require Trump to show his taxes thing
and the election hacking thing
and the GOP platform change to the Ukraine thing
and the Steele Dossier thing
and the Leninist Bannon thing
and the Sally Yates can’t testify thing
and the Sally Yates firing thing*
and the intelligence community’s investigative reports thing
and Trump’s reassurance that the Russian connection is all
“fake news” thing
and Spicer’s Russian Dressing “nothing’s wrong” thing
and Trump warning the Russians
and Syrians before the Bombing thing*
and the Trump refusing to provide Flynn's foreign ties documents to Congress
thing*
and Flynn's illegal Turkish lobbying was paid for the
Russians thing*
and Flynn's illegal lobbying for Russia thing*
and the Trump asking Comey for a "loyalty oath" thing*
and Trump lying to the world about Comey saying he's not
being investigated thing*
and the Trump firing Comey thing*
and the Trump or stooges lying to the world about why he fired Comey with 3 different lies thinh
and Trump hosting Russian foreign minister and ambassador one day after to demonstrate his authoritarian
street cred thing
and the finding out that Trump actually tried to fire Robert Mueller in June 2017 thing
and the claim by trump that the Russia investigation is over some unrefunded golf club fees to Robert Mueller thing
and the lying to the American public during the campaign about have no business in Russia thing…
and the Ivanka super-duper Moscow hotel spa thing…

So there’s probably nothing, all of this must be normal, just a bunch of separate dots with no connection whatsoever.

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[huskiemaniac]

The Mueller Report...has yet to be released.

In the meantime:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_7wPf9geSM[/url]

[5thmantheme]

Barr quotes Mueller : “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

Trump tweets : “Complete and Total EXONERATION.”

[huskiemaniac]

[jammerbirdi]

That part of it is a yes or no issue. And the way you say yes is say yes. Unless it's the Sollett case.

But it brings up a couple of things that are interesting. One is that, just going by the fact that Trump wasn't indicted or recommended for indictment or whatever, more on that in a second, you know, and the statement by the special counsel that they couldn't find evidence of conspiracy or collusion etc. it kind of appears that Trump didn't do these things.

But then this idiot fires Comey. And then says on national TV that he fired him over the Rusher thing. So most of the conversation now has turned to obstruction. I'm just, wow. Wow. That is a dude who is unfit to hold all the responsibilities he holds.

But the other thing which is related is something I brought up NUMEROUS times in the past maybe even in this thread or the impeachment thread and that is the idea of what mechanisms were available to Mueller to address whatever his findings were at the end of his investigation. What could he do? What was he supposed to do? Is it only this report? It appears now they were all working from the tradition of not indicting a sitting president, something I wholeheartedly agree with, except in the case of treason, which this could have been I think, but I digress. So Mueller I guess would have straight up recommended... what exactly... he can't recommend that the AG indict Trump. Anyway, lot of weird shit there.

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[jammerbirdi]

Yeah you gotta figure that the Trumps, none of them, are very smart. They aren’t going to commit perfect crimes. Mueller is smart, the former head of the FBI, he had a team and resources that would have rivaled any investigation in history. If he produced a report containing the statement as attributed to him about not being able to get the goods on this group I’m just inclined to believe there wasn’t anything to be gotten.

But I said it at the time, the firing of Comey and the admission that it was done to slow or stop the investigation into the Russian connections with his own campaign, the bragging with the Russians themselves that he’d gotten the heat off, I don’t see how that’s not obstruction of justice. And, like the supervisor in your scenario, so typically stupid because Trump himself would have been able to sit back and know that he hadn’t actually colluded. Unless he was confused and didn’t know to what extent his kids’ actions might have crossed the line.

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Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17

[tfan]

I watched Anderson Cooper yesterday and things went backwards. The focus a day or two earlier was on obstruction of justice. But yesterday it was back to Russian collusion. I don’t know if they said it, but I read an article that talked about Meuller saying he couldn’t “establish” collusion (Barr changed that to “find”), and suggested that he found something. And the people on Cooper were all calling for the full report so we could see the collusion Mueller found, with a trip down memory lane regarding why it must be there.

Turns out, post Mueller report, the majority of Americans feel that the campaign colluded with Russia, but that it can't be proven. So the summary of the report has had no real effect.

[Howee]

Though NOT my *fave* figure in recent politics, Monica weighs in on the comparison/contrast thingy, as it relates to HER experience.

Brava, Monica!

[justintyme]

[huskiemaniac]

[GlennMacGrady]

[Howee]

In other words, The Rules got changed, right?

Cuz it was absurd that a sitting president should be *nailed* for impeachment, stemming from an illicit love affair with an intern and its subsequent 'impact' on our government.

Which is not nearly as absurd as nailing a president for an illicit affair of the highest order with a foreign adversary and its subsequent impact on our government and all of its institutions.

I get that.

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[jammerbirdi]

If Mueller had been of the opinion that anything named Trump had indeed conspired with the Russians to impact the 2016 election those people would either be indicted, with the exception of the POTUS, or Mueller would still be working the case. Am I absolutely certain of that? Nobody should be absolutely certain about anything here. But I personally can’t imagine Mueller walking away from bringing the Trumps to justice had he been convinced that they had engaged in the collaboration with Russia he was appointed to investigate.

But I’m telling you, in this thing called human endeavor, the weak link in everything is the mechanisms of implementation or, and far too often, the lack thereof. You can design the greatest product in the world. But if you don’t have a manufacturing genius you’re going to have a disaster trying to produce quality examples of it with the required consistency. You can have laws and regulations with protections and detailed penalties laid out very clearly but if you don’t have a tested and proven and active enforcement mechanism you will have people making a mockery of it all. The instances of that abound in American public life.

Here is one tiny but incredible story from here in LA of exactly what I’m referring to. This is a stunning example of the failure of our systems and how easily smart nefarious individuals can quickly discover the lack of an effective enforcement mechanism and just set up shop in the absence of any oversight. Dudes and dudettes, this is worth your time. See how we do this shit in LA.

https://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-edu-charter-schools-20190327-htmlstory.html

So I said all along I didn’t know how Mueller could or would move on Trump himself. I don’t see how that part is set up. After the Lewinsky matter I’m loath to enable mechanisms to go after or embarrass a sitting president. I believe, in the absence of an actual crime, in the idea of keeping a report like this confidential. But maybe not in this exact case. Because we don’t know what kind of mechanism was available to Mueller had he even gotten the goods on something named Trump. So I do wish, although I’m sure I might regret it, that this report would be made public and let’s see what’s in there. It is possible, but I feel unlikely, that Mueller intended for congress to take it from here, etc.

One thing however is certain, we will then have failed once again to protect any of this from the most base political maneuverings that stem from one party just hating the elected executive and seeking above all else his or her political destruction. A lot of you are probably too young to remember what that felt like when it was coming after our president. So all this shit will come back at us again in the future to bring down or render ineffective our dream president. Trust me on that. They used to say during the Lewinsky scandal, there’s no more need to try to assassinate a president. Now you have special prosecutors, 24 hour news cycles, to accomplish the same result. Now we can add to that social media, etc.

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Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17

[justintyme]

[Howee]

[GlennMacGrady]

[justintyme]

[GlennMacGrady]

[tfan]