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Who is the POY this season?
Sabrina Ionescu
30%
 30%  [ 26 ]
Alanna Smith
6%
 6%  [ 6 ]
Teaira McCowan
6%
 6%  [ 6 ]
Napheesa Collier
11%
 11%  [ 10 ]
Arike Ogunbowale
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
Megan Gustafson
34%
 34%  [ 30 ]
Asia Durr
5%
 5%  [ 5 ]
Kalani Brown
2%
 2%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: 03/16/19 3:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
congrats. well deserved. And I think it's rare to go to a player from a team that likely won't go real deep in the tourney.



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PostPosted: 03/16/19 3:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
It’s the least venerable organization to be giving out awards, but they make a point to be the first announced. I doubt ESPNW gives out trophies or even plaques. Surprised



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PostPosted: 03/16/19 5:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
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It’s the least venerable organization to be giving out awards, but they make a point to be the first announced. I doubt ESPNW gives out trophies or even plaques. Surprised


maybe so, but I'm guessing that group sees more games and more teams than the average voter for any of the more 'venerable' awards.



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PostPosted: 03/17/19 11:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
myrtle wrote:
Shades wrote:
It’s the least venerable organization to be giving out awards, but they make a point to be the first announced. I doubt ESPNW gives out trophies or even plaques. Surprised


maybe so, but I'm guessing that group sees more games and more teams than the average voter for any of the more 'venerable' awards.



Yes! They watch more games in person than anyone in the country AND they have no motive other than recognizing the best.



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PostPosted: 03/17/19 12:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
I often question if Charlie Creme watches games. He’s more of a numbers guy.

I’m not saying ESPNW’s list is way off. I’m just saying nobody really cares about their awards.



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PostPosted: 03/17/19 12:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
I agree with Shades on some as they seem more for clicks than being serious, plus 2 of of them are very west coast biased, I would never have included Anigwe as her stats for a post are lower than a guards and she is a turnover machine.

Gustafson was easy and thank goodness as she has been putting up those numbers for 2 years, ie 20% higher than Anigwe, just think about that.
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PostPosted: 03/17/19 12:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
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I’m just saying nobody really cares about their awards.

Hmmm. Well WE here do.....(we made a thread about it! Razz ) And I'm pretty certain the kids and coaches care!!



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PostPosted: 03/17/19 1:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
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Gustafson was easy and thank goodness as she has been putting up those numbers for 2 years, ie 20% higher than Anigwe, just think about that.


A little fact check. For their careers, here are the comparisons:

Points per game Anigwe - 20.3 Gustafson - 20.6
Rebounds/game Anigwe - 10.9 Gustafson - 10.7
Assists per game Anigwe - 0.9 Gustafson - 1.1
Steals per game Anigwe - 0.9 Gustafson - 0.5
Blocks per game Anigwe - 1.6 Gustafson - 1.7

Anigwe was playing injured a good part of last year so her numbers were down, but for her career the stats are nearly identical. And while Gustafson commits fewer turnovers Anigwe is a far better defender.
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PostPosted: 03/17/19 2:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
bballjunkie wrote:
I agree with Shades on some as they seem more for clicks than being serious, plus 2 of of them are very west coast biased, I would never have included Anigwe as her stats for a post are lower than a guards and she is a turnover machine.


Shocked I'm curious who you think these 2 west coast bias people are? Especially since I think all of them are based on the East Coast except Voepel who is in the Mid west. I don't know anything about Hays or where he is so I guess he is maybe one?



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PostPosted: 03/17/19 2:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
bballjunkie wrote:
I agree with Shades on some as they seem more for clicks than being serious, plus 2 of of them are very west coast biased, I would never have included Anigwe as her stats for a post are lower than a guards and she is a turnover machine.

Gustafson was easy and thank goodness as she has been putting up those numbers for 2 years, ie 20% higher than Anigwe, just think about that.


I thought ESPN was supposed to be anti-B1G and PAC-12 since they have their own networks aren't affiliated with them like the SEC, AAC, and other conferences are. I can't keep up with the changing narratives.
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PostPosted: 03/17/19 3:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Wade Trophy
Women's Basketball Coaches Association
1978-current



Naismith College Player of the Year
Atlanta Tip-off Club
1983-current



USBWA Women's National Player of the Year
United States Basketball Writers Association
1988-current (Anne Meyers Drysdale Award since 2012)


Associated Press Women's College Basketball Player of the Year
Associated Press
1995-current



Wooden Award
Los Angeles Athletic Club
2004-current




ESPNW Basketball Player of the Year
ESPNW
????
I can’t find the history of the award or a picture of the trophy if there is one. Nobody seemed to care to make a wiki for it.



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PostPosted: 03/17/19 8:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Shades wrote:
ESPNW Basketball Player of the Year
ESPNW
????
I can’t find the history of the award or a picture of the trophy if there is one.
Nobody seemed to care to make a wiki for it.


And who ever heard of The Naismith Channel. Or....The Wade Network? And the Associated Press hasn't 'aired' any games since....ever.

Long-time 'institutions' were not always "long-time". They've grown into their status.

ESPECIALLY today, Media Matters. ESPN, love 'em or hate 'em, IS a champion of our sport. And their opinion (and award) counts. Just ask Megan. Cool



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PostPosted: 03/17/19 8:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
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bballjunkie wrote:


Gustafson was easy and thank goodness as she has been putting up those numbers for 2 years, ie 20% higher than Anigwe Shocked, just think about that.


A little fact check. For their careers, here are the comparisons:

Points per game Anigwe - 20.3 Gustafson - 20.6
Rebounds/game Anigwe - 10.9 Gustafson - 10.7
Assists per game Anigwe - 0.9 Gustafson - 1.1
Steals per game Anigwe - 0.9 Gustafson - 0.5
Blocks per game Anigwe - 1.6 Gustafson - 1.7

Anigwe was playing injured a good part of last year so her numbers were down, but for her career the stats are nearly identical. And while Gustafson commits fewer turnovers Anigwe is a far better defender.


Yeah, where did THAT come from?? Laughing Anigwe is an amazing star in her own right. Had she been on a team that won its P5 Conference, she may have well been an even stronger contender for the title.



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PostPosted: 03/18/19 10:53 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
So does the consensus agree that Gustaffson is the best talent in the country this year ? Shocked Shocked

I don't agree by a long shot , but she has been the most consistence player in the country . No way in hell do i believe shes the "Best" talent wise.



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PostPosted: 03/18/19 11:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
[quote="calbearman76"][quote="bballjunkie"]

Gustafson was easy and thank goodness as she has been putting up those numbers for 2 years, ie 20% higher than Anigwe, just think about that.[/quote]

A little fact check. For their careers, here are the comparisons:

Points per game Anigwe - 20.3 Gustafson - 20.6
Rebounds/game Anigwe - 10.9 Gustafson - 10.7
Assists per game Anigwe - 0.9 Gustafson - 1.1
Steals per game Anigwe - 0.9 Gustafson - 0.5
Blocks per game Anigwe - 1.6 Gustafson - 1.7

Anigwe was playing injured a good part of last year so her numbers were down, but for her career the stats are nearly identical. And while Gustafson commits fewer turnovers Anigwe is a far better defender.[/quote]

What on earth do any of those have to do with my comment. Gustafson A POST shot 70% from the field, Anigwe A POST shot 51% from the field. Trying to erase how bad of a % that is for A POST by quoting those numbers shows nothing. Guards shoot better and clearly they are not a foot from the basket. Anigwe is also not a good free shooter. Megan 80%, Anigwe 65%. Anigwe had 104 turnovers to 32 assists, Megan 61 turnovers to 44 assists.

This is a POY award for 2019 so your stats are irrelevant. The turnovers are very relevant as it is important to know when to pass to get an open shot and if your free throw % is low along with your FG%, this player hurts the team on the floor.

Oh and you mean when she wouldn’t play and your team lost in the tournament? Even Clay knew that was bogus.




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PostPosted: 03/18/19 11:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
[quote="Howee"][quote="calbearman76"][quote="bballjunkie"]

Gustafson was easy and thank goodness as she has been putting up those numbers for 2 years,[b] ie 20% higher than Anigwe Shocked[/b], just think about that.[/quote]

A little fact check. For their careers, here are the comparisons:

Points per game Anigwe - 20.3 Gustafson - 20.6
Rebounds/game Anigwe - 10.9 Gustafson - 10.7
Assists per game Anigwe - 0.9 Gustafson - 1.1
Steals per game Anigwe - 0.9 Gustafson - 0.5
Blocks per game Anigwe - 1.6 Gustafson - 1.7

Anigwe was playing injured a good part of last year so her numbers were down, but for her career the stats are nearly identical. And while Gustafson commits fewer turnovers Anigwe is a far better defender.[/quote]

Yeah, where did THAT come from?? Laughing Anigwe is an amazing star in her own right. Had she been on a team that won its P5 Conference, she may have well been an even stronger contender for the title.[/quote]

You mean like shoulda, woulda, coulda. Gustafson just got her team in the top 8, looking and I don’t see Cal in the top 25. Oh and Caldwell had a 98 espn grade and 6 in PN, Forbes had a 97, Smith had a 98, Brown a 95 and 39 by PN, CJ West was 48 by PN, Styles was 30 by PN, not to mention Anigwe was top 10 and Gustafson was 84, hard to even find Iowa on the rankings. So tell me again, why it would have been easier for Anigwe, I mean it’s not like there isn’t talent on her team that she could pass to without turning it over!
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PostPosted: 03/18/19 12:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
HAHAHA, burn.

Never been a fan of Cal or Anigwe. Underachievers with a lot of excuses.

Gustafson should win all POY awards and there is little argument against it.



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PostPosted: 03/22/19 1:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Gus the Bus keep on rolling.



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PostPosted: 03/22/19 6:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
The POTY barely beat Mercer, oh my.
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PostPosted: 03/22/19 6:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
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The POTY barely beat Mercer, oh my.


She has very little help. The other players on that team are no better than what we saw every night in the SoCon.



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Yeah and she had 30 and 16 on 14/16 FG.



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PostPosted: 03/22/19 10:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
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Yeah and she had 30 and 16 on 14/16 FG.

I get it. You love her and she's the next Jayne Appel, yadda yadda Rolling Eyes ..but I bet if Jayne was a senior now and Gus was getting all the attention, you'd probably think different...
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PostPosted: 03/23/19 8:01 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 03/23/19 9:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
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She has very little help. The other players on that team are no better than what we saw every night in the SoCon.


Which of course contributes to her numbers (not her fg%). That said, I have absolutely no problem w/ her being named POY.
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