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canadaball
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Posted: 03/14/19 9:13 am ::: |
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Having gotten a 3 game dose of Sabrina on TV at the Pac 12 tournament, there are some questions that leave her as no sure thing: (1) as mentioned before, she has yet to face any opposition close to W quality. In the finals vs Stanford, little used Anna Wilson did a good job; in addition Sabrina not a strong defender (2) what exactly is her projected position in the W? (3) No matter position, Sabrina will be the slowest starting guard in the WNBA; the girl has lead feet in the open court. The big ? is whether her wonderful court sense, and passing can overcome.
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Posted: 03/14/19 9:16 am ::: |
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Canada i agree , I dont see Sabrina playing SF at the next level and her footspeed is worse than Kelsey plums at this point in both's college careers. The backcourt of Plum , McBride & Ionescu im not as excited about as most seem to be on this board. Very small back court but alot of pretty good shooters.
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Posted: 03/14/19 9:41 am ::: |
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Canada i agree , I dont see Sabrina playing SF at the next level and her footspeed is worse than Kelsey plums at this point in both's college careers. The backcourt of Plum , McBride & Ionescu im not as excited about as most seem to be on this board. Very small back court but alot of pretty good shooters. |
Anyone studying Mr, Bill Lambeer's successful WNBA cioaching career has to realize that guards like Plum and Sabrina are not his cup of tea. He seems to prefer physical, tough guards who are strong defenders. I can remember he unloaded Ivory Latta (Plum kind of player), and went with the likes of Hornbuckle and Elaine Powell in winning a championship. The notion that he will suit up Sabrina and Plum together is highly unlikely.
Trader Bill usually is all over the free agent and trading market. Some of his moves have been the stuff of legends: Getting Katie Smith for Chandi Jones (who???) and 2nd round pick; signing an aged Andrea Stimson as free agent, then packaging her with 2nd round pick for Plenette Pierson (37 yr old Stimson never played a game for Phx); Cheryl Ford blows knee, so Bill trades Tasha Humphrey, Shay Murphy, and 2nd round pick for Taj McWilliams, and wins title; more recently, my favorite manuever when he trades Carolyn Swords for Harlley and Kia Vaughn (in 3 way deal), then the next year, as Vegas GM, signs the same Swords as free agent, thus creating 3 WNBA roster players out of nothing!!!!.....Anyway Lambeer, uncharacteristically, has been strangely quiet on the trade/free agent front, especially considering LV, with lots of roster/tradeable players, has no set lineup. I have to believe that Cambage is slowing things down, plus he is not in love with Sabrina as #1 pick, and expect moves to come.
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Posted: 03/14/19 10:07 am ::: |
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Not sure why he's not interested in drafting McCowan even IF Sabrina comes out. She's his type of player Ala Avery Warley-Talbert /Barb Faris type comes to mind.
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canadaball
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Posted: 03/14/19 10:21 am ::: |
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Not sure why he's not interested in drafting McCowan even IF Sabrina comes out. She's his type of player Ala Avery Warley-Talbert /Barb Faris type comes to mind. |
This would be a reason for him to trade down b/c no one else would draft Teaira that high. Holding the fluid #1 pick is just the situation where Lambeer is in all his glory. My suspicion is that, above all, he would take Cambage, and thus the holdup in his manuevering (plus waiting on Sabrina and Young). He won championships with a front line of Ford and Braxton; combining Liz and Wilson would allow Bill to take twin towers to a new high level.
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Posted: 03/14/19 10:53 am ::: |
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Sabrina will be the slowest starting guard in the WNBA; the girl has lead feet in the open court. The big ? is whether her wonderful court sense, and passing can overcome. |
Just think of her as the better court vision, better rebounding, better three point shooting version of Whalen.
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Posted: 03/14/19 11:05 am ::: |
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he is not in love with Sabrina as #1 pick, and expect moves to come. |
He’s talked about her quite a bit for someone who doesn’t love her. Also, he could have scouted any conference tournament he wanted but he chose the Pac-12 conference tournament for some reason.
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Posted: 03/14/19 11:42 am ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
canadaball wrote: |
he is not in love with Sabrina as #1 pick, and expect moves to come. |
He’s talked about her quite a bit for someone who doesn’t love her. Also, he could have scouted any conference tournament he wanted but he chose the Pac-12 conference tournament for some reason. |
Bill could sell ice to the eskimos. Be careful listening to his public statements.
A while back, I compared Sabrina to Whalen, and agree with your observations; however, Whalen was a bull to the basketball, and actually not that slow (she was a poor lateral defender). It is hard to imagine a player like Anna Wilson able to control the University of Minnesota version of Lindsay.
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Posted: 03/14/19 11:51 am ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
canadaball wrote: |
he is not in love with Sabrina as #1 pick, and expect moves to come. |
He’s talked about her quite a bit for someone who doesn’t love her. Also, he could have scouted any conference tournament he wanted but he chose the Pac-12 conference tournament for some reason. |
maybe because it was in Vegas?
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Posted: 03/14/19 11:55 am ::: |
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myrtle wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
canadaball wrote: |
he is not in love with Sabrina as #1 pick, and expect moves to come. |
He’s talked about her quite a bit for someone who doesn’t love her. Also, he could have scouted any conference tournament he wanted but he chose the Pac-12 conference tournament for some reason. |
maybe because it was in Vegas? |
So you’re saying he felt an obligation to stay in Vegas instead of going to conference tournament he really wanted? I think it just worked out well for him.
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Posted: 03/14/19 1:41 pm ::: |
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I seriously doubt we will have a Plum-Ionescu backcourt in Las Vegas |
I could imagine them being on the same roster. Just not convinced we'll see Plum/Ionescu/McBride all out there together much. It continues to be an unfair comparison but like Taurasi, Ionescu is at least long for a guard, which helps defensively even if the footspeed or instincts aren't great. I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up similar positionally as well - a nominal 2-guard who's on the ball and creative enough that she ends up the de facto point guard a lot of the time. But that might take a while. Even a great like Taurasi was a more genuine wing in her younger days before running the offense so much in recent years. |
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Posted: 03/14/19 1:56 pm ::: |
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Nothing like Taurasi ever.
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canadaball
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Successful coaches, like leopards, do not change their spots. i already mentioned Mr. Bill dumping Ivory Latta (the more I think about it, she is pretty much the same player as Plum). Consider some of the guards he has used, and sought after....Shannon Johnson, Kedra Holland-Corn, Brittany Boyd, Tanisha Wright, Elaine Powell, Hornbuckle, Zellous etc. Remember also that in 2013 he inherited Leilani Mitchell (just like Plum) on the Liberty roster, after that year she was gone. I just do not see how Plum or Sabrina fit his inclinations; forget pretty offense (note both Mitchell and Latta went on to successful W careers), the man wants defense and toughness in his guards.
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pilight
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Posted: 03/14/19 2:41 pm ::: |
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canadaball wrote: |
Successful coaches, like leopards, do not change their spots. i already mentioned Mr. Bill dumping Ivory Latta (the more I think about it, she is pretty much the same player as Plum). Consider some of the guards he has used, and sought after....Shannon Johnson, Kedra Holland-Corn, Brittany Boyd, Tanisha Wright, Elaine Powell, Hornbuckle etc. Remember also that in 2013 he inherited Leilani Mitchell (just like Plum) on the Liberty roster, after that year she was gone. I just do not see how Plum or Sabrina fit his inclinations; forget pretty offense, the man wants defense and toughness in his guards. |
He never played Mitchell. Same for Latta, she got seven minutes/game in her one Detroit season. Plum started for the Aces last season. A switch might be believable if there was a better alternative on the roster. He's not going to trade Plum so that he can play an even smaller guard who's not as good, like Jefferson or Allen, or a scrub, like Chong.
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Posted: 03/14/19 2:48 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
myrtle wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
canadaball wrote: |
he is not in love with Sabrina as #1 pick, and expect moves to come. |
He’s talked about her quite a bit for someone who doesn’t love her. Also, he could have scouted any conference tournament he wanted but he chose the Pac-12 conference tournament for some reason. |
maybe because it was in Vegas? |
So you’re saying he felt an obligation to stay in Vegas instead of going to conference tournament he really wanted? I think it just worked out well for him. |
Not an obligation. Just easy. My guess is he already knows what he wants and is content to keep his eyes on things mostly thru videos. Maybe he already has whatever deal he wants in place as well.
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Posted: 03/14/19 3:14 pm ::: |
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myrtle wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
myrtle wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
canadaball wrote: |
he is not in love with Sabrina as #1 pick, and expect moves to come. |
He’s talked about her quite a bit for someone who doesn’t love her. Also, he could have scouted any conference tournament he wanted but he chose the Pac-12 conference tournament for some reason. |
maybe because it was in Vegas? |
So you’re saying he felt an obligation to stay in Vegas instead of going to conference tournament he really wanted? I think it just worked out well for him. |
Not an obligation. Just easy. My guess is he already knows what he wants and is content to keep his eyes on things mostly thru videos. Maybe he already has whatever deal he wants in place as well. |
Can I have an AMEN.
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