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PostPosted: 02/24/19 11:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Why has no one considered the coaching change as a factor in Grays decision ? Agler brought her out of her shell and made her an All star PG ijs. Laughing
I considered it, but I believer she loves LA more than she does the coach. Angller did trade for her, but he did not make her an all star. She always had the talent, but just needed a chance. Her Last coach was a methodical control freak under whom Gray would never have been allowed to fulfill her ceiling.. The one area she while in LA was her physical condition. She had everything else and getting in physical shape was just the last piece. Her biggest asset was always between her ears.



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PostPosted: 02/24/19 11:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I suspect the signed Sims to a 3 year deal because they made an under the table deal with her last season for her to take a cut in order to get under the cap.


As I’ve said many times before, I suspect they just gave her the whole lump sum of the team off season bonus, which works to be around max.

They had to match PHX’s offer to Sims in order to keep her, so the Sparks really wanted to keep her.

willtalk wrote:
They are just keeping their word.


This isn’t the WNBA fan fiction thread.

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Now the do have a new coach and who knows what type of player he values, but Sims can not handle the point full time. Neither can Parker.


Two part-timers add up to a full-timer.

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Parker is a half court two man game point but she does not see the entire floor, when she is focused on her own shot.


Working on that three point shot of hers?

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Sims was able to play the point in college but the WNBA has exposed her weaknesses. She has a peripheral vision problem which is more evident on defense, but it surely affects her on offense as well.


Never heard this one before. She wouldn’t have to get too fancy. Just get the ball to Cambage, or get the ball to Parker do she can get the ball to Cambage.

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Perhaps they are working out the same sort of deal with Gray that the did with Sims last season and are just waiting to see how much she will need to leave on the table.


If Sims got the off season bonus lump sum last year like I suspect, Gray can’t get the same deal since she’s currently playing overseas.

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I agree with those that believe that they can not afford to have Sims play the point exclusively.


Like I said, Boyd isn’t signed either. Do you like her better? This isn’t about making the Sparks perfect. It’s about examining if they are a better team with Cambage at the cost of a certain unsigned starter.

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Of course they could go back to Parker sharing the point as well.


Now you’re talking....

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But Parker is too inconsistent and does not play well back to back.


They might be a different team with Cambage. Look at it from that perspective. I have a feeling Parker wants Cambage on the team. She wants another ring NOW, and can they be assured of another ring with the same old roster, except with a thinned out bench (no Carson) and a great new coach?

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Of the big three I think the most expendable would be Parker, but after her it would be Nneka.


Sure, let’s just rid the team of all the MVP’s. Might just work.

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Parker was always good at feeding Nneka and their is no reason she couldn't be even more successful with Cambage.


Now you’re back to thinking again.

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Why think that they have not signed Gray because she is part of the proposed trade ?- well to trade her you have to sign her. You can not trade her if she is not under contract.


Usually the signing and trading happen at the same time. Sign and trade.

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If she knew she was going to be traded she might just chose to sign with a different team of her own choice.


She’s restricted, but maybe Dallas is a team of her liking. Maybe Agler is a coach of her liking. He seemed to believe in her when others didn’t believe in her. Her significant other supposedly is from Texas. There might be enough maybe’s in Dallas’ favor.

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It might be that they have not signed her because they know she will sign with them so there is no need to hurry.


That must be it. You guys can feel all better now. Whew.

willtalk wrote:
Maybe she wants a no trade clause. If I were her that is what I would ask for.


I don’t think you can legally write that in, but the players don’t make enough that they aren’t willing to invoke their own no-trade clause. But I think sitting out could tank her overseas value. Is is worth sitting out to try and stay with a team that’s willing to trade you?

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She is happy in LA.


It’s La-La Land. She has to be happy.

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Then again Fisher might be an idiot and believe that Sims can handle the point.


Him and Parker probably reviewed Cambage’s last season and is thinking, you know what, I think Sims might be able to handle it. 🤔

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They guy has never coached before so who knows what he thinks or might do.


It’s ultimately Toler’s decision, but now I’m nervous again. Why do you do this to me? You got me on this roller coaster of emotions.



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PostPosted: 02/24/19 6:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If they do let Gray go, it will probable be because Parker wants to be more ball dominate this coming season. With Gray in the line up she couldn't justify handling the ball as much. With Sims she can. It will go back to the type of offense they ran when Toliver was the point.



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PostPosted: 02/24/19 8:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

willtalk wrote:
If they do let Gray go, it will probable be because Parker wants to be more ball dominate this coming season. With Gray in the line up she couldn't justify handling the ball as much. With Sims she can. It will go back to the type of offense they ran when Toliver was the point.


Laughing Nice cheap shot. Parker has absolutely nothing to do with why gray has not resigned .



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PostPosted: 02/25/19 4:24 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If i remember correctly, Parker re-signed with the Sparks pretty late as well



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PostPosted: 03/24/19 8:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Chelsea's stil not re-signed...what's really going on Penny?!
Cambage in LA is cool an all...but we're gonna need Gray to distribute the ball. 🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️



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PostPosted: 03/25/19 1:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Chelsea's stil not re-signed...what's really going on Penny?!
Cambage in LA is cool an all...but we're gonna need Gray to distribute the ball. 🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️


We have got to resign The Closer at all costs!!!



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PostPosted: 03/28/19 12:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

https://sparks.wnba.com/news/sparks-sign-loryn-goodwin/



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PostPosted: 03/28/19 12:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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https://sparks.wnba.com/news/sparks-sign-loryn-goodwin/


Very interesting signing. I thought Dallas did well to draft her and I’m curious why it didn’t work out.



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PostPosted: 03/28/19 12:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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https://sparks.wnba.com/news/sparks-sign-loryn-goodwin/


Solid pick up. Really hope she's on the final roster.



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PostPosted: 03/28/19 1:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Spark4Life wrote:
https://sparks.wnba.com/news/sparks-sign-loryn-goodwin/


Solid pick up. Really hope she's on the final roster.


Looking forward to what she can do at 49 years old. Nice work as always W!

Loryn Goodwin (born December 31, 1969) is a guard for the Dallas Wings. She played college basketball at Oklahoma State.

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PostPosted: 03/28/19 1:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

boom*NNEKA*nneka wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Spark4Life wrote:
https://sparks.wnba.com/news/sparks-sign-loryn-goodwin/


Solid pick up. Really hope she's on the final roster.


Looking forward to what she can do at 49 years old. Nice work as always W!

Loryn Goodwin (born December 31, 1969) is a guard for the Dallas Wings. She played college basketball at Oklahoma State.

https://www.wnba.com/player/loryn-goodwin/


Perfect for Agler, but I'm surprised the Lynx didn't get her first.


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PostPosted: 03/28/19 2:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

hangtyme24 wrote:
Chelsea's stil not re-signed...what's really going on Penny?!
Cambage in LA is cool an all...but we're gonna need Gray to distribute the ball. 🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️


We have got to resign The Closer at all costs!!!

We will, it just depends on how much Wink



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boom*NNEKA*nneka wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Spark4Life wrote:
https://sparks.wnba.com/news/sparks-sign-loryn-goodwin/


Solid pick up. Really hope she's on the final roster.


Looking forward to what she can do at 49 years old. Nice work as always W!

Loryn Goodwin (born December 31, 1969) is a guard for the Dallas Wings. She played college basketball at Oklahoma State.

https://www.wnba.com/player/loryn-goodwin/


Laughing Wink Very Happy

Hey, if Nancy Lieberman can play an actual regular-season WNBA game at age 50, then I guess anything is possible! Wink



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PostPosted: 04/03/19 3:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Derek Fisher discusses the Los Angeles Sparks’ plans for his first WNBA Draft

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Nevertheless, the focus of the conversation was ostensibly the WNBA Draft, and Fisher had a chance to express his opinions about the players the Sparks are interested in, and how they might fit in to his overall coaching and draft philosophy.


https://highposthoops.com/2019/04/02/derek-fisher-wnba-draft-los-angeles-sparks/


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PostPosted: 04/05/19 3:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=95036&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=233

Revisiting the Sparks salary structure and the ability to sign Cambage.

Signed before the season
$117,500 Parker
$115,000 Ogwumike
$115,000 Lavender
.$47,800 Wiese
.$43,400 Vadeeva
$438,700

Signed so far this season
$115,000 Sims
$110,000 Beard (est)
..$80,000 Ruffin-Pratt (est)
..$42,000 Iagupova (est)
..$43,000 Samuelson (est)
$390,000

Yet to be signed
$115,000 Cambage
$115,000 CGray (est)
$230,000 (est)

Trading Vadeeva
$1,058,700
...-$43,400 Vadeeva
$1,015,300 for 11 players

..$990,000 salary cap (est)
$1,015,300 team salary w/Vadeeva trade
....$25,300 (est)

Other options
Loryn Goodwin (signed)
Rachel Hollivay (signed)
Ashley Walker (signed)
Riquna Williams (unsigned)
#19 pick
#31 pick

There’s a lot of estimates here. I’m estimating the salary cap at $990K and also estimating Beard and Ruffin-Pratt’s salaries. I have Iagupova making the team, but if some other camp body bumps her, the salary for that player shouldn’t be appreciably different.

I don’t know if Lavender has a guaranteed contract, but losing her contract would be the easiest way to make everything work. But with the Sparks supposedly trading Vadeeva, can they risk going with somebody cheaper than Lavender?

Losing Wiese in favor of a camp body or a draft pick can save about $5,000.

This could be one explanation for waiting to sign CGray. They might need her to be flexible with her salary if things get tight.

I have the same theory for Tina Charles.



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PostPosted: 04/05/19 4:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If they get Cambage, I don't see they re-signing Gray. A sign and trade, yes. Just a matter of what team and what they can get for her.



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PostPosted: 04/05/19 4:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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If they get Cambage, I don't see they re-signing Gray. A sign and trade, yes. Just a matter of what team and what they can get for her.


If that’s the case, then why not just make Gray a part of the Cambage trade? It’s not like Dallas wouldn’t have a use for Gray.

I’m guessing the Sparks want to keep all their starters, which would be groundbreaking for a player of Cambage’s caliber.

Say what you want about Dantas, but she was a starter for a winning Lynx team at the time of the Fowles trade. Dolson was a starter for the Mystics. The Charles trade was quite lucrative. I believe Bone was a starter of the time of trade and both draft picks from that trade turned into starters.

Oh, and don’t forget that no-overseas bonus. In my opinion, the Sparks and Lynx have been using that to circumvent cap issues. So for instance, instead of signing Beard for $110,000 like I have estimated in my budget sheet, they might sign her for $65,000 (just like Sims last year) and give her the whole lump sum no-overseas bonus. Those sneaky bastards!



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Shades wrote:
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=95036&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=233

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I don’t know if Lavender has a guaranteed contract, but losing her contract would be the easiest way to make everything work. But with the Sparks supposedly trading Vadeeva, can they risk going with somebody cheaper than Lavender?
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I don't think they can just cut her. They would probably need someone to take on her contract even for some sort of future pick.. However, if Cambage were on the team they certainly wouldn't need Lavender. Lavender essentially was a fill in for Nanika or Parker. Vadeeva was going to make Lavender expendable this season anyway. Now Cambage will. They could just pick up a cheaper fill in at reserve center.

They probably have some sort of deal worked out with Gray to sign her once all the other details have been taken care of. They pretty much know she wants to stay in LA so they can wait to sign her last. That will allow them to make appropriate cap adjustments and use her as the "Closer " in respect to the cap as well. They might try to work out a deal with another team in respect to Laveder as well.



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Liz Cambage is going to LA Exclamation


Just left Melbourne and she's on a plane right now to the US. Idea

...of course, it may just be a stopover, as most flights land in LA, but still Razz



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PostPosted: 04/08/19 4:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A visit with the Sparks, Derek Fischer & spending some time with new teammate Candace Parker?



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Cambage not being too subtle with her tags.




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Admiral_Needa wrote:
Liz Cambage is going to LA Exclamation


Just left Melbourne and she's on a plane right now to the US. Idea

...of course, it may just be a stopover, as most flights land in LA, but still Razz


Related?




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PostPosted: 04/08/19 11:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Why would you post an Indiana announcement in the Sparks thread?



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Why would you post an Indiana announcement in the Sparks thread?


Because the trade could contain more than 1 team "Possibly" . I doubt it's Indiana but i mean they do have #3 could be a draft party announcement type situation not sure .



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