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J-Spoon
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Cambage basically said she wanted to play in LA during the draft, and the rumors have re-surfaced through the years, my guess is that even if there are other teams on the list LA would be options 1, 2 and 3, with the other teams being 4 , 5 and 6.
I think since Dallas fans want more and LA fans and observers think N. Ogwumike is too much for a player who might show in 19 and than never again N. Ogwumike for Cambage seems right on the money.
If I am Dallas I am not taking a combination of parts like Sims, who is already proven a poor match with Diggins-Smith a completely unproven Vadeeva or a past her prime borderline starter like Lavender.
the only other LA offer I would consider (because I don't believe LA would give up N. Ogwumike and something else of any value) would be C. Gray and the #7 pick, I would probably take that if I were Dallas, C. Gray and Diggins-Smith could probably play together in the future and #7 would be decent, but I probably wouldn't offer that if I was LA. For one thinh I think the combo of C. Gray, Parker, and Cambage makes a lot more sense thean the combination of Ogwumike, Parker and Cambage, though there would be worse problems to have, and I think short term Ogwumike is a much better piece for Dallas to match with Diggins-Smith and replace Cambage's production with than C. Gray and #7.
The other places I think could be on Cambage's list would be
LV, PX and Seattle
LV could offer the #1 pick, Jefferson and Harrison that would be a strong offer but I still don't think any of those players will ever be as good as N. Ogwumike, but it is enough to force LA's hand in my opinion to offer the former MVP straight up for Cambage.
PX could put something together like Bonner, Turner and #8
Seattle could offer Howard and Loyd, that would be pretty tempting
But I am sticking with LA being really the only team Liz really wants to go to, and N. Ogwumike being the right price, the right piece for Agler and Diggins-Smith, and the right place because of her TX connections, it all just fits too well.
LA is favored to win the Championship in 19, maybe 20 and 21 (Because I think Liz takes 2020 off to prepare for the Olympics and avoid injury).
And Dallas becomes a Legit contender with its new coach and pieces in 20, 21, and 22.
Neither team can ask for more IMO than what they will get from that deal.
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| Posted: 01/23/19 12:26 am ::: |
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| In order to get equal hard-to-determine value for Cambage, there needs to be another good player who wants out or who the coach doesn’t like/want. Like when Pondexter wanted a trade and Dupree was unhappy in Chicago. Which becomes even less likely if only one team is given as the destination. Otherwise you are like Chicago with Fowles (Chatman actually threw in a 2nd round pick) - the team they want to go is in the driver’s seat. You have to take either nothing, or whatever deal they offer. The max they offer is dependent on how much they want her and how Dallas views having Cambage sit out the season, or even the rest of her career.
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| Posted: 01/23/19 12:31 am ::: |
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Why would Phoe want Cambage when they already have Griner?
Why would Seattle break up a championship team for Cambage?
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J-Spoon
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| Posted: 01/23/19 12:40 am ::: |
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| zune69 wrote: |
Why would Phoe want Cambage when they already have Griner?
Why would Seattle break up their championship team for Cambage? |
I never actually said they would
I simply tried to imagine what other teams could be on Cambage's list, and what the best slash realistic offer they could make would be. Right after listing those ideas I went right back to the LA trade being the right one.
I agree that PX and Seattle makes a lot less sense for Cambage or any real kind of trade.
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| Posted: 01/23/19 3:02 am ::: |
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Seattle could offer Howard and Loyd, that would be pretty tempting
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You've got to be fucking kidding me right now. 2 Championship starters for 1 flake???
I wouldn't even give you Loyd for Cambage straight up. Total craziness even as a random thought. Next.
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| Posted: 01/23/19 6:27 am ::: |
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toad455,
Been there done that with Simms and Lavender, no thanks either!!!
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| Posted: 01/23/19 9:38 am ::: |
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| Cambage isn't going to a team that already has a dominant center. Though the idea of seeing Griner and Cambage together would be interesting. Or Fowles and Cambage. But it does appear like Vegas and LA are the top(& best) choices. Don't see Cambage wanting to go East.
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| Posted: 01/23/19 10:42 am ::: |
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I can't begin to imagine why LA would trade Nneka for Cambage. At best, I think they are a wash in terms of performance and contribution to a team (I'd rather have the former MVP who led her team to a championship).
But trading Nneka's consistency for who knows if Cambage will ever show up makes no sense at all to me.
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| Posted: 01/23/19 11:17 am ::: |
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LA finished 6th last year
might be time to switch things up
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| Posted: 01/23/19 11:42 am ::: |
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Dallas could use a PG. Diggins can go to SG when she returns.
Chelsea Gray (Sparks would still have Sims)
Lavender (Nice salary dump for Sparks)
First round in 2020 (Likely a low pick)
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= Cambage
Sims/Wiese
Beard/Williams
Parker/Carson/Samuelson
Ogwumike/(#7 Anigwe)
Cambage/Vadeeva
#19, #31
New coach with Cambage they go big.
Ogwumike and Parker can flow between forward positions.
Use #19 to pick up what could be a viable PG.
Or pick up a PG in free agency.
Think about cutting Samuelson or Wiese to pick up a 5th post (Musina?)
CGray/Hill
AGray/
Thornton/Davis
GJohnson/Stevens
Lavender/Plaisance
#5, #17, #22, #29
Diggins-Smith when available
With D-S temp gone, it may be tempting to go
with Gunner at #5 but then it would be overkill when D-S comes back.
Maybe take Collier at #5 and have her backing Thornton and acting as 5th post.
You never know who might show up at #5. If a 6’7 player shows up, you gotta take them. If Durr shows up, maybe you take her and figure things out later.
Make do with Davis at SG, if you end up with Collier.
Draft another PG at #17.
If Plaisance beats out Lavender, so be it.
I think this is a better team than you might think. Much better ball movement/team play.
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| Posted: 01/23/19 12:29 pm ::: |
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| J-Spoon wrote: |
LA finished 6th last year
might be time to switch things up |
If you had a reasonably safe assumption that Cambage would consistently play, then that might make sense. But, you can't assume that at all.
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| Posted: 01/23/19 1:08 pm ::: |
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Just to echo some others:
NO EFFING WAY do you break up the Storm to get Cambage. Absolutely no effing way. Forget it.
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| Posted: 01/23/19 1:25 pm ::: |
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Shades,
Damn you really do have distain for my team with alot of these trades scenerios you come up with 🤨🙄🤔
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Shades
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Shades,
Damn you really do have distain for my team with alot of these trades scenerios you come up with 🤨🙄🤔 |
I’m just more realistic than you are as a Dalllas fan. If this is a forced to Sparks only trade (like I believe), I’m not sure how much more you could expect. If it’s multiple teams bidding for her, then you could expect more, maybe.
If you’d rather have Ogwumike straight up, okay, but then you’re a small team and you still have no PG. In my trade you’d be getting one of the best in the league, and she’s still fairly young. I suppose you could go light at center with Stevens, but then you still have a logjam of similar players like GJohnson, Thornton. I seriously doubt GJohnson wants to be a backup.
Let’s see your breakdown.
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| Posted: 01/23/19 3:07 pm ::: |
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I apologize for triggering all the Seattle fans
I said Cabbage might want to go there and made a big offer
But I agree that Seattle would not want or need to do that
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Shades,
Uuuuggghhh, I hate when your assessment about my own team is more well-thought out than my own vision....you win 😥😥😥
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| Posted: 01/23/19 7:39 pm ::: |
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| Not sure why no one thinks we wont allow her to sit out? I agree move her. For nneka straight up hmmm im not sure. Nneka and #7 yes we can do but not straight up. Nneka is good yes but even her MVP year should have been given to Tina Charles. Nneka has never had a season like liz just completed last season. Shes obviously showing up a bit more often with her minimal maturity and a possibility of a big payday with CBA negotiations so i dont think the " No show" factor should sway Bibb one bit. If whomever she wishes to play for cant get with it make her ass sit out! DONT BUDGE BIBB!
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| Posted: 01/23/19 9:03 pm ::: |
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| Shades wrote: |
Dallas could use a PG. Diggins can go to SG when she returns.
Chelsea Gray (Sparks would still have Sims)
Lavender (Nice salary dump for Sparks)
First round in 2020 (Likely a low pick)
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= Cambage
Sims/Wiese
Beard/Williams
Parker/Carson/Samuelson
Ogwumike/(#7 Anigwe)
Cambage/Vadeeva
#19, #31
New coach with Cambage they go big.
Ogwumike and Parker can flow between forward positions.
Use #19 to pick up what could be a viable PG.
Or pick up a PG in free agency.
Think about cutting Samuelson or Wiese to pick up a 5th post (Musina?)
CGray/Hill
AGray/
Thornton/Davis
GJohnson/Stevens
Lavender/Plaisance
#5, #17, #22, #29
Diggins-Smith when available
With D-S temp gone, it may be tempting to go
with Gunner at #5 but then it would be overkill when D-S comes back.
Maybe take Collier at #5 and have her backing Thornton and acting as 5th post.
You never know who might show up at #5. If a 6’7 player shows up, you gotta take them. If Durr shows up, maybe you take her and figure things out later.
Make do with Davis at SG, if you end up with Collier.
Draft another PG at #17.
If Plaisance beats out Lavender, so be it.
I think this is a better team than you might think. Much better ball movement/team play.
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People have been underestimating Chelsea Gray's value throughout her career. Odyssey Sims is NOWHERE near to Chelsea. That drop off right there would knock LA right out of the championship run. #NonStarter
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| Posted: 01/23/19 9:12 pm ::: |
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| People have been underestimating Chelsea Gray's value throughout her career. Odyssey Sims is NOWHERE near to Chelsea. That drop off right there would knock LA right out of the championship run. #NonStarter |
Yeah I agree. She's very high level and a crucial part of the backcourt, whereas based on Sims' contributions so far she seems easily replaceable.
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| Posted: 01/24/19 10:34 am ::: |
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| People have been underestimating Chelsea Gray's value throughout her career. Odyssey Sims is NOWHERE near to Chelsea. That drop off right there would knock LA right out of the championship run. #NonStarter |
Yeah I agree. She's very high level and a crucial part of the backcourt, whereas based on Sims' contributions so far she seems easily replaceable. |
Yeah not sure why people even think we would want Sims back in dallas even with Brian at the helm. Bibb is still in charge here and thats a move i would be shocked to see . Chelsea Gray on the other hand could be a nice addition if Agler can lure her.
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. Aye yi yi if only the outside fans knew the truth smh.
Dallas would be getting an amazing deal there. I hope the Storm take a hard pass on Cambage. We have a good thing going and great chemistry. I'd hate to see them blow it up for the Cambage drama.