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PostPosted: 01/09/19 4:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 01/10/19 11:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Ocasio-Cortez was showing a bio of her growing up in the Bronx where she was born, but Wikipedia says at age five her family (the father is an architect per the article but elsewhere it is reported that her father was a "small business owner") moved to Yorktown Heights in Westchester County. I don't think she is a "rags to riches" story but she does claim that her mother "scrubbed toilets" so they could move to Yorktown Heights.

The median household income in Yorktown Heights is:
Median Income Under 25 $32,500
Median Income 25-44 $104,557
Median Income 45-64 $130,083
Median Income Over 65 $79,773


Her dad was an alumnus of my alma mater, Brooklyn Tech. He was the rags to riches story -- totally self-made -- but he died when she was in college. Her mom worked hard to keep the house out of foreclosure, they faced financial ruin. It was not easy for them.

After college, AOC moved to the Bronx, tended bar and worked shitty jobs to support herself before working on the Sanders campaign, which catapulted her into the political spotlight and put her on course to where she is now.

My district borders hers -- literally, her district (parts of the Bronx and Queens) begins down the block from me. I hope the dinosaur who represents my district (Carolyn Maloney) feels the intense pressure to actually do more than hold the occasional "telephone town hall" with her constituents and remain in the shadows, now that her colleague in the next district is taking DC by storm.


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PostPosted: 01/11/19 12:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Her dad was an alumnus of my alma mater, Brooklyn Tech. He was the rags to riches story -- totally self-made -- but he died when she was in college. Her mom worked hard to keep the house out of foreclosure, they faced financial ruin. It was not easy for them.


But her father dying when she was in college does not equate to a poor childhood.

The father's death could have been covered by a life insurance policy. But even if it wasn't, having to sell a house (whose mortgage and purchase probably occurred 15 years earlier when they moved to town) because you can't make the mortgage payment is not "facing financial ruin" unless you bought the house right before a housing market crash.

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After college, AOC moved to the Bronx


In an article that someone linked above, they tried to sustain the story that Ocasio-Ortez is "Sandy from the Block" by saying that she "moved home to the Bronx" after graduating Boston University.


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tfan wrote:
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Her dad was an alumnus of my alma mater, Brooklyn Tech. He was the rags to riches story -- totally self-made -- but he died when she was in college. Her mom worked hard to keep the house out of foreclosure, they faced financial ruin. It was not easy for them.


But her father dying when she was in college does not equate to a poor childhood.

The father's death could have been covered by a life insurance policy. But even if it wasn't, having to sell a house (whose mortgage and purchase probably occurred 15 years earlier when they moved to town) because you can't make the mortgage payment is not "facing financial ruin" unless you bought the house right before a housing market crash.

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After college, AOC moved to the Bronx


In an article that someone linked above, they tried to sustain the story that Ocasio-Ortez is "Sandy from the Block" by saying that she "moved home to the Bronx" after graduating Boston University.


Not exactly getting what point you're attempting to drive home here, tfan: I think it's pretty clear that AOC's background is fairly unusual for Big Name Politicians. Did SHE scrub toilets in The Orphanage? Maybe not, but her (COMPARATIVELY) humble beginnings, when compared to the Schumers/Pelosis/Trumps/etc of the political landscape certainly qualify her as "Rags to Riches", by contrast....the BIGGER exception I'd take with that is the fact that the poor girl has not had any opportunity to GET rich. Yet.



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Howee wrote:

Not exactly getting what point you're attempting to drive home here, tfan: I think it's pretty clear that AOC's background is fairly unusual for Big Name Politicians. Did SHE scrub toilets in The Orphanage? Maybe not, but her (COMPARATIVELY) humble beginnings, when compared to the Schumers/Pelosis/Trumps/etc of the political landscape certainly qualify her as "Rags to Riches", by contrast....the BIGGER exception I'd take with that is the fact that the poor girl has not had any opportunity to GET rich. Yet.


I was contradicting the apparently false story that she or her campaign promoted and that you appeared to be championing - that she was a poor girl from the Bronx. When it came out that she went to high school in Yorktown Heights, it was then claimed that her parents continued to live in the Bronx but sent her to school in Yorktown Heights (which is 33 miles away - 20 miles north of White Plains which Liberty fans say is too far from NYC). Now it is that her mother "scrubbed toilets" so they could live in Yorktown Heights.

OK, so in America we tip our hat to a politician when they "didn't grow up filthy rich", even when they try and falsely promote that they grew up poor. Or maybe we should pat the voters on the back for not electing a rich person.

Chuck Schumer is from Brooklyn and his father had an extermination business. Sounds like AOC and her father being an architect (per New York Times article). He could call himself "Chuck from Brooklyn" in a tweet.

"Don’t be fooled by the plaques that we got, I’m still / I’m still Alex from the Bronx "




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The narrative I heard her explain is that her YOUNG family was a struggling, working class family from the Bronx, whose father moved out to the suburbs to afford them a 'better' life. Maybe not exactly "ragsy", but definitely not a wealthy beginning. And....she's not "rich" yet, and Rich was not a family adjective after dad died. I think we're sparring over simple semantics here that are relatively irrelevant.



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PostPosted: 01/11/19 8:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
Barrister15 wrote:

Her dad was an alumnus of my alma mater, Brooklyn Tech. He was the rags to riches story -- totally self-made -- but he died when she was in college. Her mom worked hard to keep the house out of foreclosure, they faced financial ruin. It was not easy for them.


But her father dying when she was in college does not equate to a poor childhood.

The father's death could have been covered by a life insurance policy. But even if it wasn't, having to sell a house (whose mortgage and purchase probably occurred 15 years earlier when they moved to town) because you can't make the mortgage payment is not "facing financial ruin" unless you bought the house right before a housing market crash.

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After college, AOC moved to the Bronx


In an article that someone linked above, they tried to sustain the story that Ocasio-Ortez is "Sandy from the Block" by saying that she "moved home to the Bronx" after graduating Boston University.


Thank you for reminding me why I stopped coming here.

That’s what I get for checking out Reb’s to see what the scoop is on the Lib sale, and wading into Area 51 which remains a sad shell of its former self. Sigh.


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PostPosted: 01/12/19 12:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

76-year-old Joe Lieberman: "I certainly hope she’s not the future and I don’t believe she is"

AOC: "New party, who dis?"

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'Who dis?' is a common response to a text message from an unknown number. Among millennials in the smartphone generation, the phrase has morphed into a snarky tool for rejecting someone by framing their approach as a mistake.



Exasperated Democrats try to rein in Ocasio-Cortez


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Incumbent Democrats are most annoyed by Ocasio-Cortez’s threat to back primary opponents against members of their ranks she deems too moderate.


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Ocasio-Cortez, through her staff, declined to be interviewed for this story. But there are signs that she’s getting the message, at least when it comes to backing primary challenges against her colleagues.


I would like to see her fight the establishment on moving defense spending to universal health care. This is correct thinking in my book, but only the Green Party and Jill Stein proposed something like that in 2016. They wanted to cut defense spending 50%, which would still make us the largest spender in the world.

"It will come from military spending" is the perfect answer to hit people with when they roll their eyes over universal health care and say "who's gonna pay for it".

Ocasio-Cortez slams military spending: We must 'reprioritize what we want to accomplish as a nation'

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“Then the last key, which is extremely, extremely important, is reprioritization,” she said. “Just last year we gave the military a $700 billion budget increase, which they didn’t even ask for. They’re, like, ‘We don’t want another fighter jet!’ They’re, like, ‘Don’t give us another nuclear bomb,’ you know? They didn’t even ask for it, and we gave it to them".


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PostPosted: 01/12/19 10:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I guess we should define "poor." If a parent of young children is attending college, then chances are they are more likely poor than rich. We could play this game with nearly every member of Congress.
Let's call this what it is.
The establishment (both Republican and Democrat) are terrified of any elected member of Congress who talks about socialism or wealth redistribution. AOC is young, vibrant and social-media savy. She will be continually harangued so long as she speaks to theses issues.


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These quotes from the Politico article are very telling:

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“She needs to decide: Does she want to be an effective legislator or just continue being a Twitter star?” said one House Democrat who’s in lockstep with Ocasio Cortez’s ideology. “There’s a difference between being an activist and a lawmaker in Congress.”..........
“Washington is a political animal where a lot of the work that you want to accomplish depends on relationships within the Democratic Caucus,” said Velázquez, who described herself as a “bridge” between Ocasio-Cortez and the caucus. “The honeymoon between the voters that you represent and yourself could be a short one. People want to see results.”


If she's envisioning a Millennial version of "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington", she's gonna have a tough road that ends in disappointment. Power corrupts, even those with the best of intentions. She may feel 'empowered' by her sudden popularity, but she'll do well to also consider the importance of being a team player in a Long Haul process. Hopefully though, her popularity can/should bring important focus on concerns (like the military$$/health$$ debate) that too many Dems are namby-pamby about.



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The pretzels people will twist themselves into in order to hate someone whose policies they actually mostly agree with is a pretty stunning - and completely telling and unsurprising - spectacle.

It is not the least bit surprising that those in the world who are hating her the most are those who somehow also hate undocumented immigrants the most. If only there was some potential connection between the two ... hmmmmm ...


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tfan wrote:
76-year-old Joe Lieberman: "I certainly hope she’s not the future and I don’t believe she is"

AOC: "New party, who dis?"


To that I say, fuck joe lieberman. Twas a great day in politics when that DINO asshole retired.



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PUmatty wrote:
The pretzels people will twist themselves into in order to hate someone whose policies they actually mostly agree with is a pretty stunning - and completely telling and unsurprising - spectacle.


Who hates Ocasio-Cortez but mostly agrees with her policies?

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It is not the least bit surprising that those in the world who are hating her the most are those who somehow also hate undocumented immigrants the most. If only there was some potential connection between the two ... hmmmmm ...


I don’t see any significant overlap. There are a lot of Republicans criticizing Ocasio-Cortez, in the same way they criticize Sanders, for the “socialist” part of “democratic socialist”. Venezuela is in their first or second sentence. But hate seems too strong for their dismissive attitude at this point. Outside of Ann Coulter, Lou Dobbs and Pat Buchanan it’s hard to think of a Republican who hates illegal immigration, because prior to Trump (who never talks about workplace raids and arrests of employers) being their president I didn’t hear anyone criticizing it, and even with him as president, a Republican congress refused to fund a wall and took virtually no heat for it. Democrats criticizing her may have hate with regard to her threats to support more progressive challengers or her policies that could alienate the donor class if they catch on, but they aren’t able to hold an opinion against illegal immigration at this point. The people who hate illegal aliens are mostly the lower class who are the most affected by them and who are probably completely unaware of Ocasio-Cortez at this point, even with educated millennials buzzing about her. The well off people who would be “financially threatened” and concerned by the policies Ocasio-Cortez advocates such as raising taxes on the rich or universal healthcare, almost completely if not completely, cherish an illegal workforce that saves them from having to hire Americans for more money and at older ages or lower work ethic.

Ocasio-Cortez is one of the new “abolish ICE” Democrats, but that statement makes no sense by itself. Will there be no one patrolling the border, or just with a different name? Will it be illegal to stop anyone from crossing into the USA? Calling for an open border would be problematic because the broad support for illegal immigration seems based on the illegality allowing lower wages versus American workers, not as a standard of living gift to Latin Americans. You never hear the people who say “undocumented” call for an open border. It is a rare and possibly unique situation, a law that people don’t want enforced or changed. I suppose that as Bernie Sanders pointed out, unfettered legal immigration would put massive downward pressure on wages that the rich covet, but then without illegality - minimum wage limits wage decreases - and states and cities keep raising the minimum wage which eliminates the “benefits” of a surplus of legal labor. While I am against legal immigration, I would like to see open borders, because I think it would bring a population growth rate that would likely unmask population growth and our infinite immigration policy.


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Wall Street, Brace Yourself: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Joining House Financial Services Committee

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Wall Street had better brace itself, because the House Financial Services Committee is about to be loaded with some big names from the left wing of the Democratic Party.

Per Bloomberg, those names include Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Rashida Tlaib (Mich.), Katie Porter (Calif.) and Tulsi Gabbard (Hawaii).


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“Personally, I’m looking forward to digging into the student loan crisis, examining for-profit prisons/ICE detention, and exploring the development of public & postal banking. To start,” she tweeted.

Ocasio-Cortez and Tlaib both identify as democratic socialists. Gabbard—who intends to run for president next year—is an ally of Bernie Sanders, who is also a democratic socialist. Porter studied law under Elizabeth Warren at Harvard—both Porter and Warren identify as capitalists, but neither is any kind of friend to Wall Street.



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Shades wrote:
Wall Street, Brace Yourself: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Joining House Financial Services Committee

http://amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2019/01/16/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-house-financial-services-committee

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Wall Street had better brace itself, because the House Financial Services Committee is about to be loaded with some big names from the left wing of the Democratic Party.

Per Bloomberg, those names include Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Rashida Tlaib (Mich.), Katie Porter (Calif.) and Tulsi Gabbard (Hawaii).


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“Personally, I’m looking forward to digging into the student loan crisis, examining for-profit prisons/ICE detention, and exploring the development of public & postal banking. To start,” she tweeted.

Ocasio-Cortez and Tlaib both identify as democratic socialists. Gabbard—who intends to run for president next year—is an ally of Bernie Sanders, who is also a democratic socialist. Porter studied law under Elizabeth Warren at Harvard—both Porter and Warren identify as capitalists, but neither is any kind of friend to Wall Street.



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Ocasio-Cortez and Tlaib both identify as democratic socialists. Gabbard—who intends to run for president next year—is an ally of Bernie Sanders, who is also a democratic socialist.



Democratic Socialism” has a definition that includes public ownership of companies, or as the Wikipedia article says: “social ownership of the means of production”. I don’t think any of the politicians calling themselves democratic socialists are advocating that. They talk about Scandinavian countries, but that system is referred to as the Nordic Model and considered similar to Social Democracy. I don’t understand why Bernie Sanders and the people coming after him are using the incorrect term.




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tfan wrote:
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Ocasio-Cortez and Tlaib both identify as democratic socialists. Gabbard—who intends to run for president next year—is an ally of Bernie Sanders, who is also a democratic socialist.



Domocratic Socialism” has a definition that includes public ownership of companies, or as the Wikipedia article says: “social ownership of the means of production”. I don’t think any of the politicians calling themselves democratic socialists are advocating that. They talk about Scandinavian countries, but that system is referred to as the Nordic Model and considered similar to Social Democracy. I don’t understand why Bernie Sanders and the people coming after him are using the incorrect term.

It is because they both belong to the Democratic Socialists of America organization which is made up of both democratic socialists and social democrats (along with a few other left leaning groups). Both hold ideologies that would best be described as social democratic rather than democratic socialist. One of the beliefs of the DSA is that the country would be best served if the political spectrum realigned so that the social democratic wing represented the "mainstream" center of the democratic party, with the democratic socialists being the fringe left.



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justintyme wrote:

It is because they both belong to the Democratic Socialists of America organization which is made up of both democratic socialists and social democrats (along with a few other left leaning groups). Both hold ideologies that would best be described as social democratic rather than democratic socialist. One of the beliefs of the DSA is that the country would be best served if the political spectrum realigned so that the social democratic wing represented the "mainstream" center of the democratic party, with the democratic socialists being the fringe left.


Thanks for the info. I am confused by the Wikipedia entry for Social Democracy but I think it includes at least some amount of traditional corporations. Going to the Social Democrats of America website they say some things that sound pretty democratic socialist. Democratic socialist "over time". They give what must be a frequent question:

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Doesn’t socialism mean that the government will own and run everything?


and then give an answer that is not a yes. But if the question was:

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Doesn’t socialism mean that the current corporations will all be disbanded as we know them?


The answer they gave could be considered a yes as there is no mention of corporations as we know them:

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Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect.

Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic economic decisions affecting millions of people. Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.

Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives.

Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned. While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods.


I will say this. If they ever become mainstream in the Democrat party they can forget about $50,000 a plate fundraising dinners and SuperPACs.

The acknowledgment that it would take a while:

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Private corporations seem to be a permanent fixture in the US, so why work towards socialism?

In the short term, we can’t eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater democratic control. The government could use regulations and tax incentives to encourage companies to act in the public interest and outlaw destructive activities such as exporting jobs to low-wage countries and polluting our environment. Public pressure can also have a critical role to play in the struggle to hold corporations accountable. Most of all, socialists look to unions to make private business more accountable.


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This one is more about Whoopi Goldberg than Ocasio-Cortez. Goldberg doesn’t like the attention Ocasio-Cortez is taking away from her wealthy democratic friends, and this guy does a good job of tearing her up.

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AOC will be on Cobert tonight. Should be good!!!



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