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Will all or part of the 2020 season be lost due to CBA negotiations failing to reach a deal |
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Randy
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Posted: 11/01/18 1:15 pm ::: Will there be a work stoppage in the 2020 season - Poll |
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Will the CBA negotiations fail to produce a deal and the 2020 season affected by a work stoppage of some sort? Why or why not.
10 day poll. We can always do a new one later on as circumstances change.
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Richyyy
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Posted: 11/01/18 1:47 pm ::: |
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They'll probably piss about long enough that the offseason schedule won't start on time in January, but I'd be surprised if we lost games. |
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toad455
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Posted: 11/01/18 4:33 pm ::: |
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I doubt any discussions occur until we have a league president.
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Randy
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Posted: 11/01/18 4:40 pm ::: |
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So who wants to be the president of the league under these circumstances?
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 11/01/18 4:41 pm ::: |
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I doubt it.
Although we don't really know the actual financials of the teams or league, the players wouldn't get paid during a strike, the owners might be losing less money during one, so the owners wouldn't be feeling any real financial pain, and hence the players wouldn't be exercising much economic leverage by striking. They'd more likely only be hurting their own short-term and long-term pocketbooks.
Just a best guess at the moment. |
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Randy
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Posted: 11/01/18 5:11 pm ::: |
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I voted yes because the players seem rather angry and they can and usually do make more money overseas than their WNBA pay so they can afford it.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 11/01/18 5:17 pm ::: |
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If there is a work stoppage, it is hard to imagine work ever restarting.
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TigerVol
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Posted: 11/01/18 5:24 pm ::: |
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I don't see how this works for the players - might as well just decide to stop playing in the wnba.
They do not have the leverage of MLB, NFL, NBA...
Who is losing a bunch of money if the games aren't played when most teams aren't making money?
Where is any impact full pressure coming from that will move the NBA portion off their line?
I have to think the tipping point where it is cheaper to fold the league and write off the loss wouldn't take long to reach.
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Shades
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Posted: 11/01/18 8:52 pm ::: |
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toad455 wrote: |
I doubt any discussions occur until we have a league president. |
Sounds like Tatum is diving in head first.
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toad455
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Posted: 11/02/18 4:34 am ::: |
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A short season would hurt the league. A cancelled season would almost kill the league. There's too much momentum for the league right now to have this derail it.
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Randy
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Posted: 11/02/18 6:29 am ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
I doubt any discussions occur until we have a league president. |
Sounds like Tatum is diving in head first. |
Maybe they should just add being WNBA pres to his title or just include the duties in his job description.
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tfan
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Posted: 11/02/18 6:48 am ::: |
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GlennMacGrady wrote: |
the owners might be losing less money during one, so the owners wouldn't be feeling any real financial pain, and hence the players wouldn't be exercising much economic leverage by striking. They'd more likely only be hurting their own short-term and long-term pocketbooks.
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It's a good point that money-losing owners would be less worried about a strike than if this were a thriving business. But they would need to cancel the season fairly early. They have some financial commitments that might be difficult to back out of as the season approaches. Specifically their lease for the arena games and the lease for the player's apartments.
I guess the coaches and office staff can just be laid off, with the hope some can be re-hired the next season. They probably would like to avoid that though, a plus for the players. But if they did go that far - disband most of their organization - that could push them to fold.
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TigerVol
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Posted: 11/02/18 3:07 pm ::: |
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tfan wrote: |
GlennMacGrady wrote: |
the owners might be losing less money during one, so the owners wouldn't be feeling any real financial pain, and hence the players wouldn't be exercising much economic leverage by striking. They'd more likely only be hurting their own short-term and long-term pocketbooks.
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It's a good point that money-losing owners would be less worried about a strike than if this were a thriving business. But they would need to cancel the season fairly early. They have some financial commitments that might be difficult to back out of as the season approaches. Specifically their lease for the arena games and the lease for the player's apartments.
I guess the coaches and office staff can just be laid off, with the hope some can be re-hired the next season. They probably would like to avoid that though, a plus for the players. But if they did go that far - disband most of their organization - that could push them to fold. |
Not less worried but less financial incentive or ability to bend.
This is why I think there is a quick tipping point where it is better financially to shut it down and and write off the loss vs trying to recover that loss post stoppage.
Every league has to rebuild to some degree after a work stoppage. Some fans divert their interest and some get mad (at owners or players or both) and never return.
Rebuild is a tall order when the build is still in process.
Hopefully they can find the middle ground for now that improves the environment for the players and is viable for the league.
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 11/02/18 7:52 pm ::: |
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tfan wrote: |
GlennMacGrady wrote: |
the owners might be losing less money during one, so the owners wouldn't be feeling any real financial pain, and hence the players wouldn't be exercising much economic leverage by striking. They'd more likely only be hurting their own short-term and long-term pocketbooks.
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It's a good point that money-losing owners would be less worried about a strike than if this were a thriving business. But they would need to cancel the season fairly early. They have some financial commitments that might be difficult to back out of as the season approaches. Specifically their lease for the arena games and the lease for the player's apartments.
I guess the coaches and office staff can just be laid off, with the hope some can be re-hired the next season. They probably would like to avoid that though, a plus for the players. But if they did go that far - disband most of their organization - that could push them to fold. |
Good point, but those contracts may have escape clauses for the owners in the event of a strike, which are called force majeure or act-of-god clauses. Whether or not such clauses include strikes may depend on who had the negotiating leverage those contracts, the team owners or the facility owners. |
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