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PostPosted: 10/09/18 9:10 am    ::: Aesthetically pleasing basketball or win titles? Reply Reply with quote

http://www.fiba.basketball/news/the-day-belgium-saved-women-s-basketball

As a Club fan what is more important to you: Aesthetically
pleasing basketball or win titles?

As a Country fan, what should be more important to your
National Basketball Federation: Aesthetically pleasing bas-
ketball or win titles?

BTW I think Paul Nilsen is more often than not, FOS.

For me personally, it is "Just win baby".


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PostPosted: 10/09/18 9:51 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think Paul talks a decent amount of rubbish too.
But that first half by Belgium was a beautiful thing to witness. That much I will happily agree with him about. Best basketball of the tournament by a large margin. So good to watch.



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PostPosted: 10/09/18 9:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

That's an interesting question, but I think the answer partly depends on the level at which you're playing.

In high school, playing a fun and entertaining system, even if you could get a few more wins by being boring, is a positive, because it attracts players away from competing sports and the more shots that are taken, the happier parents and players are likely to be.

At the college level, the same recruiting positives apply, and though there's more of an emphasis on winning games, still, college coaches don't have to do much more than finish above .500 and have good graduation rates to stay employed. Of course, going 5-24 will get you fired, but the difference between 19-10 and 16-13 probably isn't critical to future employment.

Professionally, it's about winning, plain and simple.

Internationally, the U.S. has to win. I don't know about expectations and the impact of getting to the medal round in other countries, but I would suspect that style and results are of equal importance. Being boring wouldn't attract athletes, but getting blown out by some tiny country won't fly either.

I would be interested to hear, though, what our non-U.S. folks feel about that.



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PostPosted: 10/09/18 10:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Professionally, it's about winning, plain and simple.

For a player, maybe.
But "professionally" means people playing basketball for a living, which requires money to pay them with, which requires a sufficient number of people to pay money to watch the sport, … I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this ...

Not to mention the fact that the whole point of the article was that winning basketball and entertaining basketball were the same basketball. I don't think it would have been the Belgium love-fest that it was if they had just crashed out of the tournament without a win.



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PostPosted: 10/09/18 11:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Luuuc wrote:
I think Paul talks a decent amount of rubbish too.
But that first half by Belgium was a beautiful thing to witness. That much I will happily agree with him about. Best basketball of the tournament by a large margin. So good to watch.

Absolutely. In a tournament where Cambage had a PER of 53, and the US won with Bird, Taurasi, Stewart, Griner et al, one of the main abiding memories will be that half where Allemand played like an absolute dream and they tore France to bits.

From a fan's perspective, in general, if you win a lot we'll forgive you pretty much anything. All those years when people were calling the San Antonio Spurs boring, their own fans weren't complaining about winning rings. But there's always a balance. Being better on one side or the other gives a manager a little more rope. For example, the soccer team I support brought in a new manager last season, and he basically did what was asked of him. We pulled away from the relegation zone and ended up about where we were supposed to in the league table. But we didn't win that much, we got wildly outplayed by any of the genuinely good teams, and the style was pretty damn sterile. So the fans hated him, and he was gone at the end of the season. So it's always a bit of both.

But mostly win. Do that more than you're 'supposed to' (for whatever level your team is typically at), and we'll talk ourselves into the rest.



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PostPosted: 10/09/18 12:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
That's an interesting question, but I think the answer partly depends on the level at which you're playing.

In high school, playing a fun and entertaining system, even if you could get a few more wins by being boring, is a positive, because it attracts players away from competing sports and the more shots that are taken, the happier parents and players are likely to be.

At the college level, the same recruiting positives apply, and though there's more of an emphasis on winning games, still, college coaches don't have to do much more than finish above .500 and have good graduation rates to stay employed. Of course, going 5-24 will get you fired, but the difference between 19-10 and 16-13 probably isn't critical to future employment.

Professionally, it's about winning, plain and simple.

Internationally, the U.S. has to win. I don't know about expectations and the impact of getting to the medal round in other countries, but I would suspect that style and results are of equal importance. Being boring wouldn't attract athletes, but getting blown out by some tiny country won't fly either.

I would be interested to hear, though, what our non-U.S. folks feel about that.



If the team that USAB sent to Tenerife had the same number of hours
to prepare as Belgium, the semi-final score would have been 63-93
or worse. And with all of the talk about Emma Meesseman, does ANY-
ONE believe that she could have SHUT-DOWN Liz Cambage like Britney
Griner??? Britney Griner had the best game of the tournament be-
cause she SHUT down the Tournament MVP in waiting in the FINAL. IN
the semis against Spain Cambage did this: 33 POINTS 15 REB 2 AST
4 BLKs +21 41 EFF. In the FINAL, Britney Griner did this to Liz
Cambage: 7 POINTS 14 REB 1 AST 1 STL, 5 BLKs -23 14 EFF. Brit-
ney Griner's 15 points PLUS the 26 POINTS she took away from Cam-
bage = 40 points. But more importantly, the psychological effect
that Britney Griner's defense against Cambage and the effect it had
on the Opals was devastating. The Opals could clearly see that their
number one & two option was gone. And the Opals simply did not & do
not have the players to step up in a Championship game when an
opposing player puts the handcuffs on Cambage.

If the team that USAB sent to Tenerife had the same number of hours
to prepare as Belgium, the FINAL score against Australia would have
been 56-86 or worse.



For Team USA, anything less than GOLD is FAILURE!!!

And for me, anything less than DOMINATION while winning
the GOLD is FAILURE!!!

If you think Belgium play great women's basketball they are
PIKERS compared to my muchachitas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13kqLqscQMY&t=1s

THAT is how you win a title in STYLE. And the Aussies should be
DAMMED glad they did not meet them in the final.

This team has one to three future Team USA players on it. PLUS
one or more ladies from the U18 Team USA roster that won the
2018 FIBA Americas U18 title. They were AWFUL as a team &
UGLY to watch.


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PostPosted: 10/09/18 1:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Belgium had no chance at winning this tournament. But if they play awesome basketball and go far, they can inspire young girls and build a better youth foundation that will lead to more success in the future.


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PostPosted: 10/09/18 1:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

MrCam wrote:
ClayK wrote:
That's an interesting question, but I think the answer partly depends on the level at which you're playing.

In high school, playing a fun and entertaining system, even if you could get a few more wins by being boring, is a positive, because it attracts players away from competing sports and the more shots that are taken, the happier parents and players are likely to be.

At the college level, the same recruiting positives apply, and though there's more of an emphasis on winning games, still, college coaches don't have to do much more than finish above .500 and have good graduation rates to stay employed. Of course, going 5-24 will get you fired, but the difference between 19-10 and 16-13 probably isn't critical to future employment.

Professionally, it's about winning, plain and simple.

Internationally, the U.S. has to win. I don't know about expectations and the impact of getting to the medal round in other countries, but I would suspect that style and results are of equal importance. Being boring wouldn't attract athletes, but getting blown out by some tiny country won't fly either.

I would be interested to hear, though, what our non-U.S. folks feel about that.



If the team that USAB sent to Tenerife had the same number of hours
to prepare as Belgium, the semi-final score would have been 63-93
or worse. And with all of the talk about Emma Meesseman, does ANY-
ONE believe that she could have SHUT-DOWN Liz Cambage like Britney
Griner??? Britney Griner had the best game of the tournament be-
cause she SHUT down the Tournament MVP in waiting in the FINAL. IN
the semis against Spain Cambage did this: 33 POINTS 15 REB 2 AST
4 BLKs +21 41 EFF. In the FINAL, Britney Griner did this to Liz
Cambage: 7 POINTS 14 REB 1 AST 1 STL, 5 BLKs -23 14 EFF. Brit-
ney Griner's 15 points PLUS the 26 POINTS she took away from Cam-
bage = 40 points. But more importantly, the psychological effect
that Britney Griner's defense against Cambage and the effect it had
on the Opals was devastating. The Opals could clearly see that their
number one & two option was gone. And the Opals simply did not & do
not have the players to step up in a Championship game when an
opposing player puts the handcuffs on Cambage.

If the team that USAB sent to Tenerife had the same number of hours
to prepare as Belgium, the FINAL score against Australia would have
been 56-86 or worse.



For Team USA, anything less than GOLD is FAILURE!!!

And for me, anything less than DOMINATION while winning
the GOLD is FAILURE!!!

If you think Belgium play great women's basketball they are
PIKERS compared to my muchachitas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13kqLqscQMY&t=1s

THAT is how you win a title in STYLE. And the Aussies should be
DAMMED glad they did not meet them in the final.

This team has one to three future Team USA players on it. PLUS
one or more ladies from the U18 Team USA roster that won the
2018 FIBA Americas U18 title. They were AWFUL as a team &
UGLY to watch.

Diana Taurasi couldn't guard Emma to save her life. Does that make her a worse player?


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PostPosted: 10/09/18 1:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Aladyyn wrote:
MrCam wrote:
ClayK wrote:
That's an interesting question, but I think the answer partly depends on the level at which you're playing.

In high school, playing a fun and entertaining system, even if you could get a few more wins by being boring, is a positive, because it attracts players away from competing sports and the more shots that are taken, the happier parents and players are likely to be.

At the college level, the same recruiting positives apply, and though there's more of an emphasis on winning games, still, college coaches don't have to do much more than finish above .500 and have good graduation rates to stay employed. Of course, going 5-24 will get you fired, but the difference between 19-10 and 16-13 probably isn't critical to future employment.

Professionally, it's about winning, plain and simple.

Internationally, the U.S. has to win. I don't know about expectations and the impact of getting to the medal round in other countries, but I would suspect that style and results are of equal importance. Being boring wouldn't attract athletes, but getting blown out by some tiny country won't fly either.

I would be interested to hear, though, what our non-U.S. folks feel about that.



If the team that USAB sent to Tenerife had the same number of hours
to prepare as Belgium, the semi-final score would have been 63-93
or worse. And with all of the talk about Emma Meesseman, does ANY-
ONE believe that she could have SHUT-DOWN Liz Cambage like Britney
Griner??? Britney Griner had the best game of the tournament be-
cause she SHUT down the Tournament MVP in waiting in the FINAL. IN
the semis against Spain Cambage did this: 33 POINTS 15 REB 2 AST
4 BLKs +21 41 EFF. In the FINAL, Britney Griner did this to Liz
Cambage: 7 POINTS 14 REB 1 AST 1 STL, 5 BLKs -23 14 EFF. Brit-
ney Griner's 15 points PLUS the 26 POINTS she took away from Cam-
bage = 40 points. But more importantly, the psychological effect
that Britney Griner's defense against Cambage and the effect it had
on the Opals was devastating. The Opals could clearly see that their
number one & two option was gone. And the Opals simply did not & do
not have the players to step up in a Championship game when an
opposing player puts the handcuffs on Cambage.

If the team that USAB sent to Tenerife had the same number of hours
to prepare as Belgium, the FINAL score against Australia would have
been 56-86 or worse.



For Team USA, anything less than GOLD is FAILURE!!!

And for me, anything less than DOMINATION while winning
the GOLD is FAILURE!!!

If you think Belgium play great women's basketball they are
PIKERS compared to my muchachitas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13kqLqscQMY&t=1s

THAT is how you win a title in STYLE. And the Aussies should be
DAMMED glad they did not meet them in the final.

This team has one to three future Team USA players on it. PLUS
one or more ladies from the U18 Team USA roster that won the
2018 FIBA Americas U18 title. They were AWFUL as a team &
UGLY to watch.

Diana Taurasi couldn't guard Emma to save her life. Does that make her a worse player?


Diana Taurasi, a SG, has no BUSINESS trying to guard a
PF/C. DEFENSE is the area A'ja Wilson needs to concentrate
on to significantly grow the depth and breath of her game from
this day forward.


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PostPosted: 10/09/18 2:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Aladyyn wrote:
Belgium had no chance at winning this tournament.
But if they play awesome basketball and go far, they can inspire young
girls and build a better youth foundation that will lead to more success
in the future.



Until and unless a country can win world titles in both the men
and women's FIBA World Cup of Basketball and the Olympic
Basketball competition for men and women, that country is
NOT a basketball nation.


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PostPosted: 10/09/18 2:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Isn't this the same FIBA writer who threw a fit when Vadeeva wasn't the #1 pick (or at least a lottery pick)? I can't take anything he writes that seriously after watching that play out on Twitter.


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PostPosted: 10/09/18 2:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

MrCam wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
MrCam wrote:
ClayK wrote:
That's an interesting question, but I think the answer partly depends on the level at which you're playing.

In high school, playing a fun and entertaining system, even if you could get a few more wins by being boring, is a positive, because it attracts players away from competing sports and the more shots that are taken, the happier parents and players are likely to be.

At the college level, the same recruiting positives apply, and though there's more of an emphasis on winning games, still, college coaches don't have to do much more than finish above .500 and have good graduation rates to stay employed. Of course, going 5-24 will get you fired, but the difference between 19-10 and 16-13 probably isn't critical to future employment.

Professionally, it's about winning, plain and simple.

Internationally, the U.S. has to win. I don't know about expectations and the impact of getting to the medal round in other countries, but I would suspect that style and results are of equal importance. Being boring wouldn't attract athletes, but getting blown out by some tiny country won't fly either.

I would be interested to hear, though, what our non-U.S. folks feel about that.



If the team that USAB sent to Tenerife had the same number of hours
to prepare as Belgium, the semi-final score would have been 63-93
or worse. And with all of the talk about Emma Meesseman, does ANY-
ONE believe that she could have SHUT-DOWN Liz Cambage like Britney
Griner??? Britney Griner had the best game of the tournament be-
cause she SHUT down the Tournament MVP in waiting in the FINAL. IN
the semis against Spain Cambage did this: 33 POINTS 15 REB 2 AST
4 BLKs +21 41 EFF. In the FINAL, Britney Griner did this to Liz
Cambage: 7 POINTS 14 REB 1 AST 1 STL, 5 BLKs -23 14 EFF. Brit-
ney Griner's 15 points PLUS the 26 POINTS she took away from Cam-
bage = 40 points. But more importantly, the psychological effect
that Britney Griner's defense against Cambage and the effect it had
on the Opals was devastating. The Opals could clearly see that their
number one & two option was gone. And the Opals simply did not & do
not have the players to step up in a Championship game when an
opposing player puts the handcuffs on Cambage.

If the team that USAB sent to Tenerife had the same number of hours
to prepare as Belgium, the FINAL score against Australia would have
been 56-86 or worse.



For Team USA, anything less than GOLD is FAILURE!!!

And for me, anything less than DOMINATION while winning
the GOLD is FAILURE!!!

If you think Belgium play great women's basketball they are
PIKERS compared to my muchachitas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13kqLqscQMY&t=1s

THAT is how you win a title in STYLE. And the Aussies should be
DAMMED glad they did not meet them in the final.

This team has one to three future Team USA players on it. PLUS
one or more ladies from the U18 Team USA roster that won the
2018 FIBA Americas U18 title. They were AWFUL as a team &
UGLY to watch.

Diana Taurasi couldn't guard Emma to save her life. Does that make her a worse player?


Diana Taurasi, a SG, has no BUSINESS trying to guard a
PF/C. DEFENSE is the area A'ja Wilson needs to concentrate
on to significantly grow the depth and breath of her game from
this day forward.

A'ja Wilson will never be able to contain Liz Cambage. There are literally 2 players in the world who can do that...

Also the height difference between Taurasi and Meesseman is similar to the difference between Meesseman and Cambage so your point doesn't really apply.


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PostPosted: 10/09/18 2:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

miller40 wrote:
Isn't this the same FIBA writer who threw a fit when Vadeeva wasn't the #1 pick (or at least a lottery pick)? I can't take anything he writes that seriously after watching that play out on Twitter.

Yeah, it is, although 'threw a fit' might be a little harsh. He's very Euro-centric in his coverage, and there's a fair bit of nonsense and fluff in his pieces, but he's incredibly dedicated to the women's game. Can forgive a lot for that.



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MrCam wrote:
ClayK wrote:
That's an interesting question, but I think the answer partly depends on the level at which you're playing.

In high school, playing a fun and entertaining system, even if you could get a few more wins by being boring, is a positive, because it attracts players away from competing sports and the more shots that are taken, the happier parents and players are likely to be.

At the college level, the same recruiting positives apply, and though there's more of an emphasis on winning games, still, college coaches don't have to do much more than finish above .500 and have good graduation rates to stay employed. Of course, going 5-24 will get you fired, but the difference between 19-10 and 16-13 probably isn't critical to future employment.

Professionally, it's about winning, plain and simple.

Internationally, the U.S. has to win. I don't know about expectations and the impact of getting to the medal round in other countries, but I would suspect that style and results are of equal importance. Being boring wouldn't attract athletes, but getting blown out by some tiny country won't fly either.

I would be interested to hear, though, what our non-U.S. folks feel about that.



If the team that USAB sent to Tenerife had the same number of hours
to prepare as Belgium, the semi-final score would have been 63-93
or worse. And with all of the talk about Emma Meesseman, does ANY-
ONE believe that she could have SHUT-DOWN Liz Cambage like Britney
Griner??? Britney Griner had the best game of the tournament be-
cause she SHUT down the Tournament MVP in waiting in the FINAL. IN
the semis against Spain Cambage did this: 33 POINTS 15 REB 2 AST
4 BLKs +21 41 EFF. In the FINAL, Britney Griner did this to Liz
Cambage: 7 POINTS 14 REB 1 AST 1 STL, 5 BLKs -23 14 EFF. Brit-
ney Griner's 15 points PLUS the 26 POINTS she took away from Cam-
bage = 40 points. But more importantly, the psychological effect
that Britney Griner's defense against Cambage and the effect it had
on the Opals was devastating. The Opals could clearly see that their
number one & two option was gone. And the Opals simply did not & do
not have the players to step up in a Championship game when an
opposing player puts the handcuffs on Cambage.

If the team that USAB sent to Tenerife had the same number of hours
to prepare as Belgium, the FINAL score against Australia would have
been 56-86 or worse.



For Team USA, anything less than GOLD is FAILURE!!!

And for me, anything less than DOMINATION while winning
the GOLD is FAILURE!!!

If you think Belgium play great women's basketball they are
PIKERS compared to my muchachitas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13kqLqscQMY&t=1s

THAT is how you win a title in STYLE. And the Aussies should be
DAMMED glad they did not meet them in the final.

This team has one to three future Team USA players on it. PLUS
one or more ladies from the U18 Team USA roster that won the
2018 FIBA Americas U18 title. They were AWFUL as a team &
UGLY to watch.


These points are well-taken but I don't think they need to be made with quite so much fervor. It's not like anyone disagrees ...



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miller40 wrote:
Isn't this the same FIBA writer who threw a fit when Vadeeva wasn't the #1 pick (or at least a lottery pick)? I can't take any-
thing he writes that seriously after watching that play out on Twitter.



https://www.bluestarmedia.org/europeans-mocking-the-wnba-2018-draft-as-it-underlines-the-lack-of-global-game-view-stateside/


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PostPosted: 10/09/18 2:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Aladyyn wrote:
MrCam wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
MrCam wrote:
ClayK wrote:
That's an interesting question, but I think the answer partly depends on the level at which you're playing.

In high school, playing a fun and entertaining system, even if you could get a few more wins by being boring, is a positive, because it attracts players away from competing sports and the more shots that are taken, the happier parents and players are likely to be.

At the college level, the same recruiting positives apply, and though there's more of an emphasis on winning games, still, college coaches don't have to do much more than finish above .500 and have good graduation rates to stay employed. Of course, going 5-24 will get you fired, but the difference between 19-10 and 16-13 probably isn't critical to future employment.

Professionally, it's about winning, plain and simple.

Internationally, the U.S. has to win. I don't know about expectations and the impact of getting to the medal round in other countries, but I would suspect that style and results are of equal importance. Being boring wouldn't attract athletes, but getting blown out by some tiny country won't fly either.

I would be interested to hear, though, what our non-U.S. folks feel about that.



If the team that USAB sent to Tenerife had the same number of hours
to prepare as Belgium, the semi-final score would have been 63-93
or worse. And with all of the talk about Emma Meesseman, does ANY-
ONE believe that she could have SHUT-DOWN Liz Cambage like Britney
Griner??? Britney Griner had the best game of the tournament be-
cause she SHUT down the Tournament MVP in waiting in the FINAL. IN
the semis against Spain Cambage did this: 33 POINTS 15 REB 2 AST
4 BLKs +21 41 EFF. In the FINAL, Britney Griner did this to Liz
Cambage: 7 POINTS 14 REB 1 AST 1 STL, 5 BLKs -23 14 EFF. Brit-
ney Griner's 15 points PLUS the 26 POINTS she took away from Cam-
bage = 40 points. But more importantly, the psychological effect
that Britney Griner's defense against Cambage and the effect it had
on the Opals was devastating. The Opals could clearly see that their
number one & two option was gone. And the Opals simply did not & do
not have the players to step up in a Championship game when an
opposing player puts the handcuffs on Cambage.

If the team that USAB sent to Tenerife had the same number of hours
to prepare as Belgium, the FINAL score against Australia would have
been 56-86 or worse.



For Team USA, anything less than GOLD is FAILURE!!!

And for me, anything less than DOMINATION while winning
the GOLD is FAILURE!!!

If you think Belgium play great women's basketball they are
PIKERS compared to my muchachitas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13kqLqscQMY&t=1s

THAT is how you win a title in STYLE. And the Aussies should be
DAMMED glad they did not meet them in the final.

This team has one to three future Team USA players on it. PLUS
one or more ladies from the U18 Team USA roster that won the
2018 FIBA Americas U18 title. They were AWFUL as a team &
UGLY to watch.

Diana Taurasi couldn't guard Emma to save her life. Does that make her a worse player?


Diana Taurasi, a SG, has no BUSINESS trying to guard a
PF/C. DEFENSE is the area A'ja Wilson needs to concentrate
on to significantly grow the depth and breath of her game from
this day forward.

A'ja Wilson will never be able to contain Liz Cambage. There are literally 2 players in the world who can do that...

Also the height difference between Taurasi and Meesseman is similar to the difference between Meesseman and Cambage so your point doesn't really apply.


You do realize that A'ja and Liz Cambage did PLAY against
each other in the 2018 WNBA season. Liz Cambage did outplay A'ja,
a ROOKIE, but in no way did Liz DOMINATE A'ja Wilson. DEFENSE is
the area A'ja Wilson needs to concentrate on to significantly grow
the depth and breath of her game from this day forward.

Offensively, this is what A'ja can do to your team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VvUts9o6nc

However, I want her defensive prowess to equal her offensive output


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PostPosted: 10/11/18 10:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'll take the "just win" mentality so long as that doesn't include dirty play.


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Aesthetically pleasing basketball is more the responsibility of the league than the teams/players/coaches IMO.
Obviously coaches and players want to win, and their fans want them to win. If winning means employing a style that makes games less watchable, then you can bet that rules and interpretations will be introduced to try to rectify the situation, before all the teams jump on board and fans/viewers start tuning out.



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Luuuc wrote:
Aesthetically pleasing basketball is more the responsibility of the league than the teams/players/coaches IMO.
Obviously coaches and players want to win, and their fans want them to win. If winning means employing a style that makes games less watchable, then you can bet that rules and interpretations will be introduced to try to rectify the situation, before all the teams jump on board and fans/viewers start tuning out.


The obvious example is the three-pointer, which spread the floor and changed the game dramatically (even though it took decades to fully play out).

In the NFL, rule changes to protect the quarterback and receivers have made that game much more entertaining as well.

Baseball, of course, has few options, as the best way to win is not that fun to watch (unless you enjoy swings and misses) and there are no obvious fixes.



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