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The GOP is a disgrace, as anyone with a sense of decorum, decency, and patriotism knows.
Kavanaugh won the day? Maybe with the dupedplorables. Anyone else can see that the guy is not worthy of sitting as a judge in a chili contest, let alone on the SC.
Charging a leftwing conspiracy- and invoking the magical name of "Clinton"- the be all/end all for the aforementioned morons- while refusing to call for an impartial FBI investigation, as anyone with nothing to fear from the truth would- indicates this man doesn't have the temperament, integrity, or impartiality a SC judge should possess.
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Equating Brett Kavanaugh to Emmitt Till is beyond disgusting. Don't forget that Ford is telling the truth as the polygraph demonstrates. And that this is not about him getting sent to prison, but rather not getting a job that there are other qualified candidates for.
But the mental gymnastics that people want to go through to disbelieve Ford's testimony for political reasons (or just the old not believing assault accusations) is troubling. Just when I start to think we have come a long way since Thomas and Clinton and that we wouldn't let that shit fly today, I am shown otherwise.
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Equating Brett Kavanaugh to Emmitt Till is beyond disgusting. Don't forget that Ford is telling the truth as the polygraph demonstrates. And that this is not about him getting sent to prison, but rather not getting a job that there are other qualified candidates for.
But the mental gymnastics that people want to go through to disbelieve Ford's testimony for political reasons (or just the old not believing assault accusations) is troubling. Just when I start to think we have come a long way since Thomas and Clinton and that we wouldn't let that shit fly today, I am shown otherwise. |
Last I checked, both men were accused of rape without a shred of evidence. Mental gymnastics is believing a two-question polygraph that is inadmissible in any court of law for good reason. She cried during the test which is a proven method to defeat such a test. Mental gymnastics is believing what you want to believe regardless of the evidence brought forward, and from the sworn affidavits of her own witnesses who refute her claims. You have picked sides because you are aligned with Democrats. I would be interested in evidence. Since no hard evidence will ever be produced, there are only two people who know the truth, and you are not one of them. If his confirmation is denied by a vote, I would be fine with that.
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The Republicans may be complaining now, but this 1-week delay could be a real gift. Here's why:
1) An FBI investigation will most likely turn up no evidence of rape.
2) Ford and Swetnick have already given sworn affidavits under penalty of law. If they change their story now, there's a problem. If the FBI finds evidence that they lied, there's a problem.
3) The Democrats will never be able to complain that the confirmation was rushed before an investigation could be done, which means that they will never be able to "anger" people into voting for Democrats in November.
4) None of the witnesses or the accused are required to cooperate or even talk to the FBI.
However, I believe this delay is just so that they could get more "victims" to come forward, to delay the vote until after the midterms, which they believe that they are going to win.
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| Posted: 09/28/18 4:09 pm ::: |
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| The GOP wimps (Collins, Murkowsky, Flake) have now got their cover- a "limited in scope", less-than-a-week FBI investigation.
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| However, I believe this delay is just so that they could get more "victims" to come forward, to delay the vote until after the midterms, which they believe that they are going to win. |
Proof you don't understand procedure.
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| Posted: 09/28/18 7:21 pm ::: |
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Body language expert's take on BK. The body language expert had more examples, this is just a few.
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| "He said at one point he didn't do anything of a 'sexual nature' to Dr. Ford," notes Wood. "Was he redefining some action he took as 'non-sexual' and was he saying he didn't do anything to the adult Dr. Ford because when she was the 15 she had a different last name? One of the reasons I think this is relevant is that he is known for judging by the 'letter' of the law," she added, referring to the fact that he could argue a technicality should he be accused of perjuring himself. "The other reason is that I have seen this technique used so often by liars." |
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/brett-kavanaugh-apos-body-language-133700859.html
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| She found that the amount of time he spends on his good-behavior statements — when he talks about church, friends, and school — far outweighs how long he dedicates to denials. "Normally an innocent person wants to spend a lot of time denying what happened," she says. "They want to make sure you know they didn’t do it. They don’t change the subject to another part of their life and talk about going to church." |
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| During the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas there was this frustrating opinion that people gave - they both are not only giving testimony that the speaker believes to be true, but that they are both telling the truth. And now we are getting it again. No one seems to want to believe that you can sit in front of Congress and lie, even when you are giving answers that appear to be rehearsed, coached, and evasive.
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| Posted: 09/28/18 8:24 pm ::: |
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I take back my previous comment. I made it after seeing Dr. Ford but before seeing Kavanaugh's appearance for myself in its entirety. I had anticipated, as had been predicted, that he would stick to safe denial talking points as per his previous statements of the last week. I think the fire and emotion he brought was very convincing and politically well played. As good as she was, I think he won the day and he'll be ending up on the SCOTUS. I also would not characterize this guy as a sociopath or his response to these charges as sociopathic.
I think we're about this >< far away from needing a new U.S. constitution, one that better protects this process and also our election systems. Because we're seriously shredding any last semblance of integrity our government processes still have. And by integrity I don't mean moral integrity I mean functional integrity. Like you might worry about the integrity of a patched tire. This is badly badly broken shit here and it's the process by which we appoint supreme court justices. Just look at what happened to Merrick Garland, Obama's pick. The people need a system that anticipates everything we saw then and now and self-protects from things that we haven't even seen yet. |
We’re a republic.
A republic is ruled by the law. It doesn’t work if our elected officials ignore the law.
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Just watched Liz Fisher on CNN.
She pretty much said that BK was lying in his testimony when he was talking about not drinking to excess. She said that she knew him well and never knew him to have a weak stomach like he claimed.
This guy is just not SCOTUS material. His temperament is that of a two year old.
I would think that you would be on your best behavior when in front of a senate committee. That you would be respectful to the senators. Especially when you want them to hire you! He was rude, petulant, and, in general, a prick.
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Don Lemon just said that Maryland's legal drinking age had gone up to 21 when BK was a junior in high school.
BK said that the legal age was 18.
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http://time.com/5409564/brett-kavanaugh-drinking-age-maryland/
How many other things has he lied about/forgotten? That alone should disqualify him for SCOTUS.
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Don Lemon just said that Maryland's legal drinking age had gone up to 21 when BK was a junior in high school.
BK said that the legal age was 18.
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| In a Fox News interview on Monday, Kavanaugh said, “Yes, there were parties. And the drinking age was 18. And yes, the seniors were legal.” |
http://time.com/5409564/brett-kavanaugh-drinking-age-maryland/
How many other things has he lied about/forgotten? That alone should disqualify him for SCOTUS. |
I saw it posted that the drinking age went to 21 in the summer after Kavanaugh's junior year. So the statement the seniors could drink legally is not a lie as long as he is referring to "the seniors above me in grade". What they could have gotten him on is the fact that he drank illegally throughout high school and through most of college. When he arrived at Yale the drinking age was 20 and went to 21 before he was 20. So in his freshman, sophomore and until February of his junior year, he was drinking illegally in college. I say if you blatantly break the law, you don't get to be a judge.
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| Posted: 09/29/18 12:30 am ::: |
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| Initiating the FBI investigation after Kavanaugh was voted out of committee is like putting on your shoes and then deciding that you need to wear socks, so you just pull them on over your shoes. The farce continues.
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Don Lemon just said that Maryland's legal drinking age had gone up to 21 when BK was a junior in high school.
BK said that the legal age was 18.
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| In a Fox News interview on Monday, Kavanaugh said, “Yes, there were parties. And the drinking age was 18. And yes, the seniors were legal.” |
http://time.com/5409564/brett-kavanaugh-drinking-age-maryland/
How many other things has he lied about/forgotten? That alone should disqualify him for SCOTUS. |
I saw it posted that the drinking age went to 21 in the summer after Kavanaugh's junior year. So the statement the seniors could drink legally is not a lie as long as he is referring to "the seniors above me in grade". What they could have gotten him on is the fact that he drank illegally throughout high school and through most of college. When he arrived at Yale the drinking age was 20 and went to 21 before he was 20. So in his freshman, sophomore and until February of his junior year, he was drinking illegally in college. I say if you blatantly break the law, you don't get to be a judge. |
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Yes, I wasn’t trying to say otherwise, but in my opinion that doesn’t make Kavanaugh’s statement a lie. He said (no doubt pre-written and rehearsed): “The seniors could drink legally”. That was a partially true statement (only at some point if they turned eighteen in the school year) for 3 of his 4 years. It can be argued that he was trying to suggest he drank legally as a senior but he didn’t explicitly say that, and more important, he wasn’t yet a senior or 18 when the party Ford refers to took place. So what he did his senior year doesn’t apply to this charge. So I think he has wiggle room on that one.
I think his main goal was to minimize his illegal high school drinking - most students in that day had been able to do it legally sometime in their senior year right up until the day before the alleged party Ford describes, so he is suggesting that him doing it at 17 wasn’t that bad - just “a little premature”.
But he lied about the yearbook slang (devil’s triangle, boofing, why he ralphed, Renate Alumni), he lied about his drinking habits, and he lied about what other people said about the party. “The event never happened” was not what they all said, despite him claiming it 3 times.
And somehow, the fact that a judge knowingly broke the law in high school and college by drinking underage, didn’t seem to get any concern.
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It falls into the body language expert's comment that I posted above.
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| "He said at one point he didn't do anything of a 'sexual nature' to Dr. Ford," notes Wood. "Was he redefining some action he took as 'non-sexual' and was he saying he didn't do anything to the adult Dr. Ford because when she was the 15 she had a different last name? One of the reasons I think this is relevant is that he is known for judging by the 'letter' of the law," she added, referring to the fact that he could argue a technicality should he be accused of perjuring himself. "The other reason is that I have seen this technique used so often by liars." |
I think that he's an alcoholic. I have never heard him asked if he was nor have I ever heard him deny that he was. It just seems as if he likes beer a LOT and drinks a LOT of it! I guess that is something that would be revealed in a background/health check if they are allowed to do that.
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| The legal age in that state was raised to 21 on July 1, 1982; Kavanaugh did not turn 18 until Feb. 12, 1983. |
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Yes, I wasn’t trying to say otherwise, but in my opinion that doesn’t make Kavanaugh’s statement a lie. He said (no doubt pre-written and rehearsed): “The seniors could drink legally”. That was a partially true statement (only at some point if they turned eighteen in the school year) for 3 of his 4 years. It can be argued that he was trying to suggest he drank legally as a senior but he didn’t explicitly say that, and more important, he wasn’t yet a senior or 18 when the party Ford refers to took place. So what he did his senior year doesn’t apply to this charge. So I think he has wiggle room on that one.
I think his main goal was to minimize his illegal high school drinking - most students in that day had been able to do it legally sometime in their senior year right up until the day before the alleged party Ford describes, so he is suggesting that him doing it at 17 wasn’t that bad - just “a little premature”.
But he lied about the yearbook slang (devil’s triangle, boofing, why he ralphed, Renate Alumni), he lied about his drinking habits, and he lied about what other people said about the party. “The event never happened” was not what they all said, despite him claiming it 3 times.
And somehow, the fact that a judge knowingly broke the law in high school and college by drinking underage, didn’t seem to get any concern. |
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| The Senate is moving forward despite a petulant partisan outburst by Kavanaugh in his testimony Thursday that ought to be disqualifying. |
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| Kavanaugh was not simply angry; he was unhinged. As unfairly as he thought he had been treated, as disappointed as he was at the unwillingness of senators to accept his choir-boy image of himself or fail to be awed by his sterling prep-school Ivy League pedigree, he might have spared us and himself an unseemly display of partisan venom wholly unbecoming a candidate for a job that requires at least the appearance of impartiality. That mask was stripped from Brett Kavanaugh. He revealed that he is capable of unrestrained wrath, a vengeful spirit, and a disqualifying inability to keep disagreement within acceptable bounds. |
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| Was Kavanaugh momentarily possessed by emotions entirely alien to his basic nature? I doubt it. I think something came to the surface that warns us he might not be able to play it straight — and that he’s got an agenda that is incompatible with what we have every right to expect from someone who has our constitutional rights in his hands. |
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/09/28/brett-kavanaugh-senate-committee-vote-nomination-christine-blasey-ford-column/1454562002/
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