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| RBG was saying in a reserved way that she detests the way partisan politics, including personal character assassination, have become the normative process for judicial nominations, instead of the former way of simply focusing on high quality legal experience, intellectual qualities and temperament. I'm sure every Supreme Court justice feels the same way. What she didn't say, but which is true, is that it is only the Democrats who have engaged in this sleazy, circus behavior vis-a-vis Republican nominees since 1987 -- motivated mainly by their religious cultism about Roe v. Wade. Democratic nominees have all been confirmed by Republican senators by reasonably large margins without any slanderous behavior or character attacks. |
Whoawhoawhoa....."THEIR religious cultism about Roe v. Wade"??? It is precisely the opposite: The (your?) Cultish Religion's Obsession about imposing THEIR will on the Law of The Land that Dem's are trying to oppose here.
"Personal Character Assassination" is precisely in order, IF and WHEN one's personal character is of less than sterling quality. Making every attempt to determine that is part of the process.
Frankly, I'm sick of the women (especially) and men who've vouched for what a fine man Brett currently is, or was. He may have turned his life around, and be all that they say he is....NOW. That doesn't mean he gets a *pass* for past behaviors....not when it's an audition for a seat on The Highest Court of The Land. If it's real and true, OWN it, buddy....make amends, DON'T be a liar about it. We don't need a LIAR on the Court.
Glenn, tell me you think Anita Hill's hearing was a "character assassination"....?
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| Posted: 09/27/18 9:08 am ::: |
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So she's saying that a nominee to SCOTUS should require a 90%+ vote to be confirmed. Sounds good to me. 
To the "11th hour smears comment," how do you know that they are smears? Were you there with BK 24/7 during the early 80's?
I should have been more specific in my statement. Are they thinking "if this scumbag is confirmed there is no way I want to be associated with him?" Maybe, "do I want to be in a 5-4 decision with this perv?" "What will people think of anyone that is in a 5-4 decision with him." "Can we go back and do the 2016 election over?" "Is there a way WE can abolish the electoral college and go with the popular vote?"
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Oh, so you weren't actually asking a good faith question and looking for an informative answer. You were just asking a rhetorical question seeking another way to trash Trump and, simultaneously, to impute your preconceived opinion that Kavanaugh's reputation should be destroyed by completely uncorroborated allegations from 36 years ago. Well, that's your privilege.
Making believe your question was in good faith, RBG was saying in a reserved way that she detests the way partisan politics, including personal character assassination, have become the normative process for judicial nominations, instead of the former way of simply focusing on high quality legal experience, intellectual qualities and temperament. I'm sure every Supreme Court justice feels the same way. What she didn't say, but which is true, is that it is only the Democrats who have engaged in this sleazy, circus behavior vis-a-vis Republican nominees since 1987 -- motivated mainly by their religious cultism about Roe v. Wade. Democratic nominees have all been confirmed by Republican senators by reasonably large margins without any slanderous behavior or character attacks.
The Supreme Court by all accounts is a very cordial place as among the nine justices, and as far as I know, no one has had any difficulties in working with Clarence Thomas for 27 years, including RBG who has done so for about 25 years in many 5-4 decisions. |
Actually, my post didn't even ask a question.
An interesting commentary:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2018/09/27/brett-kavanaugh-rape-sexual-assault-allegations-prep-school-party-column/1418692002/
I think that there's more than a pretty good chance that BK was everything that these brave women have said he was in hs and college. Now, I just think that he is a liar that desperately wants to be a SC justice.
I've been wondering what the other 8 have been thinking about the possibility of having a list on the court with them.
I coyld MAYBE get past what he alledgedly did in hs if he would have just owned it, as Howee said. (Ok, probably not, but just to try to make my point.) Now, short of a FULL FBI investigation, I think there will always be a cloud over him and any of his potential SCOTUS decisions.
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Something else I've been wondering, is why I tend to believing the women and their accusations and not him.
I truly don't think politics has anything to do with it, especially with Blasey Ford.
At first, I asked what does each have to lose by not telling the truth. A lot. By both of them. Trust. Their reputations. Personal and professional. She would surely lose her teaching gig.
Then I wondered what they had to gain. For him, a job for as long as he wants it. Even more, an opportunity to shape this nation for the next 40-50 years.
Then I got stuck. What does she have to gain?
A few minutes of noteriety? From what I've read/ heard, she tends to shy away from the spotlight.
Money? From where? I doubt tht she would do the talk show circuit. DNC/donors? Possibly, but I don't know if they have enough to make it worth her while.
I'm just not seeing why she would do it unles it were true.
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Whatever anyone thinks of the process itself, this is over for Brett Kavanaugh, and then some. If he doesn't have the quit in him to take no for an answer, which seems to be a personal trait with him bordering on the sociopathic, the committee chair and Republican leaders should trek over to the White House and straighten out Trump's comb-over. But they are probably too stupid or afraid to do that. Because it was a huge mistake for both Trump and this committee to allow this hearing today to go forward and virtually guarantee the historic visuals of another Anita Hill moment. I don't know how they couldn't have seen this coming but they walked right into it. Anyone who thinks we have the brightest bulbs in Washington should consider the fact that today happened at all. Trump, if he had any sense at all, would withdraw this nominee by 4PM so Brett can go hit a happy hour somewhere on the way home. Put forth Amy Coney Barrett's name and coming on the heels of this circus you'd have a sure thing._________________ Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17 |
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I've watched 10-15 minutes of this and this guy is a real prick!!
He keeps asking "have you?"
Note to the lawyer that is trying to get on the SC, they senators aren't the ones that need to answer questions.
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Lindsey Graham saying that this is the "most unethical, sham since I've been in politics."
Apparently forgot what happened with Merritt Garland.
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| Posted: 09/27/18 5:00 pm ::: |
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| Whatever anyone thinks of the process itself, this is over for Brett Kavanaugh, and then some. If he doesn't have the quit in him to take no for an answer, which seems to be a personal trait with him bordering on the sociopathic, the committee chair and Republican leaders should trek over to the White House and straighten out Trump's comb-over. But they are probably too stupid or afraid to do that. Because it was a huge mistake for both Trump and this committee to allow this hearing today to go forward and virtually guarantee the historic visuals of another Anita Hill moment. I don't know how they couldn't have seen this coming but they walked right into it. Anyone who thinks we have the brightest bulbs in Washington should consider the fact that today happened at all. Trump, if he had any sense at all, would withdraw this nominee by 4PM so Brett can go hit a happy hour somewhere on the way home. Put forth Amy Coney Barrett's name and coming on the heels of this circus you'd have a sure thing. |
Does she hold Kavanaugh's opinions re: a sitting POTUS subpoena/investigation? If not, it's clear why TraitorTrump hasn't done what you suggest.
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I'm getting tired of seeing seeing him scrunch up his nose.
It makes him look petulant.
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Oh the drama!!!!!
Sen. Kennedy. 🤮
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| It all boils down to this: Ford says bring on the FBI; Kavanaugh repeatedly refuses to do same.
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Kavanaugh is getting that seat. I'm not wasting my time thinking otherwise.
Stay strong, Ms. Ford.
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Kavanaugh is getting that seat. I'm not wasting my time thinking otherwise.
Stay strong, Ms. Ford. |
Agreed. Collins and Murkowski are as worthless as the rest of them.
ETA: one has to wonder what Trump has on Miss Lindsey. The whole world knows he's gay...must be something involving underage pages or some such.
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| Posted: 09/27/18 8:47 pm ::: |
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| Whatever anyone thinks of the process itself, this is over for Brett Kavanaugh, and then some. If he doesn't have the quit in him to take no for an answer, which seems to be a personal trait with him bordering on the sociopathic, the committee chair and Republican leaders should trek over to the White House and straighten out Trump's comb-over. But they are probably too stupid or afraid to do that. Because it was a huge mistake for both Trump and this committee to allow this hearing today to go forward and virtually guarantee the historic visuals of another Anita Hill moment. I don't know how they couldn't have seen this coming but they walked right into it. Anyone who thinks we have the brightest bulbs in Washington should consider the fact that today happened at all. Trump, if he had any sense at all, would withdraw this nominee by 4PM so Brett can go hit a happy hour somewhere on the way home. Put forth Amy Coney Barrett's name and coming on the heels of this circus you'd have a sure thing. |
I don't understand their mindset.
There HAS to be a conservative justice out there that isn't a complete scumbag or at the very least, not a serial rapist.
They'll vote on party lines too, when it comes to it. (Because it is all about the sitting President being indicted question.) I don't understand.
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Kavanaugh is getting that seat. I'm not wasting my time thinking otherwise.
Stay strong, Ms. Ford. |
Agreed. Collins and Murkowski are as worthless as the rest of them.
ETA: one has to wonder what Trump has on Miss Lindsey. The whole world knows he's gay...must be something involving underage pages or some such. |
It's amazing to me that there aren't a few Republicans that want to go down as heroes. (Other than Mueller.)
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ETA: one has to wonder what Trump has on Miss Lindsey. The whole world knows he's gay...must be something involving underage pages or some such. |
I never had an impression of Lindsey Graham being gay, but did wonder about him when I read he was 60 and never married - and running for president. Whether gay or not, I think a 60 year old lifelong bachelor would have a very hard time being elected president. Early on it is no issue, but at some point people would expect a wife and kids to enter the picture to some extent.
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I just heard on TV that the republicans can only afford to lose on senator's vote for confirmation.
That would make it a 50-49 vote. I was wondering why that wasn't enough. I was thinking a majority of the vote. (Government class was a LONG time ago!!!!!!)
Turns out that BK needs to get 51% of the votes cast. So if one republican doesn't cast a vote tomorrow....
And since 50-49 isn't a tie, Pence doesn't get a vote.
Would anyone abstain? Collins? Murkowski? Flake?
Better for their political future to abstain or vote no?
Never mind. I thought I had heard that it was 51-49. Just found out that it's 52-48.
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I take back my previous comment. I made it after seeing Dr. Ford but before seeing Kavanaugh's appearance for myself in its entirety. I had anticipated, as had been predicted, that he would stick to safe denial talking points as per his previous statements of the last week. I think the fire and emotion he brought was very convincing and politically well played. As good as she was, I think he won the day and he'll be ending up on the SCOTUS. I also would not characterize this guy as a sociopath or his response to these charges as sociopathic.
I think we're about this >< far away from needing a new U.S. constitution, one that better protects this process and also our election systems. Because we're seriously shredding any last semblance of integrity our government processes still have. And by integrity I don't mean moral integrity I mean functional integrity. Like you might worry about the integrity of a patched tire. This is badly badly broken shit here and it's the process by which we appoint supreme court justices. Just look at what happened to Merrick Garland, Obama's pick. The people need a system that anticipates everything we saw then and now and self-protects from things that we haven't even seen yet._________________ Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17 |
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I just heard on TV that the republicans can only afford to lose on senator's vote for confirmation.
That would make it a 50-49 vote. I was wondering why that wasn't enough. I was thinking a majority of the vote. (Government class was a LONG time ago!!!!!!)
Turns out that BK needs to get 51% of the votes cast. So if one republican doesn't cast a vote tomorrow....
And since 50-49 isn't a tie, Pence doesn't get a vote.
Would anyone abstain? Collins? Murkowski? Flake?
Better for their political future to abstain or vote no?
Never mind. I thought I had heard that it was 51-49. Just found out that it's 52-48. |
OK whet the hell is the make up of the US Senate?
I just heard on tv that there are 51 republican senators. I looked it up last night and that's where I got the 52.
I'm going back to 51.
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I just heard on TV that the republicans can only afford to lose on senator's vote for confirmation.
That would make it a 50-49 vote. I was wondering why that wasn't enough. I was thinking a majority of the vote. (Government class was a LONG time ago!!!!!!)
Turns out that BK needs to get 51% of the votes cast. So if one republican doesn't cast a vote tomorrow....
And since 50-49 isn't a tie, Pence doesn't get a vote.
Would anyone abstain? Collins? Murkowski? Flake?
Better for their political future to abstain or vote no?
Never mind. I thought I had heard that it was 51-49. Just found out that it's 52-48. |
OK whet the hell is the make up of the US Senate?
I just heard on tv that there are 51 republican senators. I looked it up last night and that's where I got the 52.
I'm going back to 51. |
It's 51-49.
Technically its 51-47, as Angus King and Bernie Sanders call themselves independents but caucus with Democrats. It might kind of be 50-47, as Lisa Murkowski was last elected as an independent (she lost the Republican primary) but I think she went right back to calling herself a Republican.
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Flake is reportedly going to vote to confirm according to CNN.
Wow you have to watch the women that have him cornered in an elevator. Live on CNN now.
He's a cold, heartless SOB if he doesn't vote no today and call for an FBI investigation after that!
Well, hopefully the citizens of the USA were watching (or will see) that joke of a vote to subpoena Mark Judge and will remember on election days going forward. Hopefully this is the end of the asshole Grassley and his buddies who fully support the white male privilege bro-code.
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Flake is reportedly going to vote to confirm according to CNN.
Wow you have to watch the women that have him cornered in an elevator. Live on CNN now.
He's a cold, heartless SOB if he doesn't vote no today and call for an FBI investigation after that! |
I can't for the life of me comprehend why even HE refuses to break rank with the Republicans....he's been one to demonstrate some balls, given he's not going for re-election. I really had some faith in him.
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At least five democrat senators walked out of the meeting. I'm kind of surprised that Corey Booker wasn't one of them.
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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/kavanaugh-senate-committee-vote/index.html
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Talk about petulant: Lindsey's little snit re: "I voted for Sotomeyer and Kagan..." Really? As you