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PostPosted: 09/19/18 2:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Clarendon's selection is a bit of puzzle, however, it would not have looked the same if it was the 2017 season that just ended. She was a WNBA All Star and put up some lofty assist numbers albeit for a lottery team. Staley was at some Dream games last year - maybe she saw something she liked.


Are you saying the Dream made a Reeve-level mistake letting Clarendon go?
2017 doesn’t mean that much if 2018 doesn’t back it up. In 2017, AGray was ROY. Now Dallas fans are looking to deal her. I do think Clarendon was enthusiastic about being at every Team USA camp available.

But the Curt Miller thing doesn’t seem like a factor to you?

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Another issue is who was better among PG candidates that actually showed up.


Kelsey Plum blew every bench guard out of the water in most categories. You don’t really need more than one backup PG because Taurasi will likely be the first backup to Bird anyway. But I suppose they might have been worried about the durability of Bird. One good shot to even a masked nose and she could be out.



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There's always that, y'know, wild possibility that they performed the best in practices and warm-ups and executed what the coaches wanted better than the players they beat out.



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Sims should have been on this roster instead of Clarendon and DeShields over Tuck. Let's see which ones that opted to sit out get a chance at the 2020 squad.



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Sims is one of the most overrated players in the league.


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If Curt Miller has undue influence on the selection process, he's arguably using it incorrectly. Doesn't having two of your backups on the National Team imply that you've been starting the wrong people on your own team? I think there's more going on here than just favoritism.


They won’t be starting in the real games in the tournament. If Tuck maintains this level of play, Miller is definitely making a mistake going forward if he has Stricklen playing ahead of her. Maybe he’s seeing that now because Tuck has never been this healthy?



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There's always that, y'know, wild possibility that they performed the best in practices and warm-ups and executed what the coaches wanted better than the players they beat out.


Look, there's really no room on this board for such fanciful speculation. The world of women's basketball is clearly controlled by a small group of people, who determine which players foul out of which games, which players make which rosters and which college transfers are eligible immediately (among many, many other tasks).

This group, as we all know, secretly meets in Waffle House kitchens (to avoid closure due to natural disasters) several times a year, and after ingesting either hash brown bowls or waffles and eggs, makes all decisions regarding the sport.

Please cease making your outlandish claims or the mods may be forced to remove you from the forum.



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PostPosted: 09/19/18 3:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Are you serious Clay or is that a joke because I am hoping you are joking.


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Are you serious Clay or is that a joke because I am hoping you are joking.


Clearly sarcasm..


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mavcarter wrote:
Nixtreefan wrote:
Are you serious Clay or is that a joke because I am hoping you are joking.


Clearly sarcasm..


It was pretty good until the part about mods removing people from the forum.


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PostPosted: 09/19/18 5:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

sigur3 wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
Nixtreefan wrote:
Are you serious Clay or is that a joke because I am hoping you are joking.


Clearly sarcasm..


It was pretty good until the part about mods removing people from the forum.


Uh oh.. Surprised


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PostPosted: 09/19/18 6:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

threadkiller1201 wrote:
https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2018/09/wnt-scr-aus-9-19.aspx

weird seeing Sami on the other team Confused but--good for her!!


Oh I know! I'm USA all the way, but most of my parents' siblings are naturalized Aussies, so I'll always have a soft spot for Australia. I hope Sami does well. It sure would be interesting to watch if she's matching up with Jewell!


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PostPosted: 09/19/18 7:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Randy wrote:

Clarendon's selection is a bit of puzzle, however, it would not have looked the same if it was the 2017 season that just ended. She was a WNBA All Star and put up some lofty assist numbers albeit for a lottery team. Staley was at some Dream games last year - maybe she saw something she liked.


Are you saying the Dream made a Reeve-level mistake letting Clarendon go?
2017 doesn’t mean that much if 2018 doesn’t back it up. In 2017, AGray was ROY. Now Dallas fans are looking to deal her. I do think Clarendon was enthusiastic about being at every Team USA camp available.

But the Curt Miller thing doesn’t seem like a factor to you?

Randy wrote:
Another issue is who was better among PG candidates that actually showed up.


Kelsey Plum blew every bench guard out of the water in most categories. You don’t really need more than one backup PG because Taurasi will likely be the first backup to Bird anyway. But I suppose they might have been worried about the durability of Bird. One good shot to even a masked nose and she could be out.


Nobody did or could make a mistake as big as Reeves did, and certainly not the Dream. For whatever reasons she wasn't clicking this year with the new schemes. Once Bentley arrived the team was something like 16-2 and Clarendon seemed to fit in well as a reserve for the Sun. One of those trades that helped both teams.

I don't disagree with your second point, but I'm willing to consider that Staley might have seen it differently and wanted 3 pgs. I would have rather have a SF like DD, and let Taurasi spit on the court from her guard position. Razz


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PostPosted: 09/19/18 7:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Was prior USAB experience a factor?

Morgan Tuck is a strong veteran of USAB, having won gold medals in the 2013 FIBA U19 World Cup, 2012 FIBA Americas U18 Championship, 2011 FIBA U19 World Cup, and 2010 FIBA U17 World Cup; and she made the 2009 U16 team as a high school freshman but had to withdraw after tearing her ACL. A 37-2 record. Perhaps all that weighed in her favor.

Clarendon, on the other hand, only played on one USAB team, the 2009 U19. So, maybe prior USAB experience didn't count.

A push.
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PostPosted: 09/19/18 9:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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And according to USA Basketball: https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2018/09/wwc-team-named.aspx

That's the cut that makes the most sense to me, given the 13 they'd left themselves with. There's just no way you should be taking seven posts into the tournament.

Hilarious that after all the whining about Geno supposedly picking his teams, arguably the most surprising member of this squad still went to UConn.


What the hell is Delle Donne doing there? Shouldn't she be resting and rehabbing her knee injury?


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PostPosted: 09/19/18 10:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So six players on the Worlds team who were not on the Olypmic team in 2016.

A year ago if you said Tuck, Clarendon and Plum would be on this team you would have been destroyed by most posters on the board. If you said E. Will would have been the last cut you also would have been destroyed. If you said Wilson would have been on the team you would have been accusing Staley of nepotism. And if you said Loyd would be on the team but Diggins-Smith would not that would have been shocking as well.


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So drama going into 2020 assuming Moore and Fowles come back that is two less spots Clarendon and Tuck seem like the obvious choices but adding Fowles to EDD, Stewart, N. Ogwumike, Charles, Wilson and Griner leaves you with 7 posts. So would team USA cut one of the siz posts on the Worlds team for Fowles and if so who? N. Ogwumike and Charles seem like the the last two of the six.

If Plum plays well and continues to develop I could see her claiming that back up spot for 2020. However,I doubt Clarendon can hold off all comer come 2020 for the last guard spot, but who comes to take it? A two years further into her development Ionescu? the two who passed on the opportunity to play on the Worlds team Diggins-Smith or C. Gray? K. Mitchell with two years starting at the PG spot in the WNBA under her belt? (If they feel Bird, Plum, sometimes DT and sometimes Loyd is enough to cover the point the bring a shooter/scorer who has been in the pipeline like Durr? or a Deshields who has two more years to prove herself to the team? Does Angel have just enough distance from her injury come 2020 to reclaim her spot? Do they dare take a WNBA rookie like C. Carter? Or look even farther into the future with college kid future of the PG spot Azzi-Fudd?

My early 2020 guess
(which if this Worlds team taught me anything I will be very wrong going into 2020)

Bird/Plum/?
DT/Loyd
Moore/EDD
Stewart/Wilson/Charles or N. Ogwumike
Griner/Fowles


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craigmont wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
And according to USA Basketball: https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2018/09/wwc-team-named.aspx

That's the cut that makes the most sense to me, given the 13 they'd left themselves with. There's just no way you should be taking seven posts into the tournament.

Hilarious that after all the whining about Geno supposedly picking his teams, arguably the most surprising member of this squad still went to UConn.


What the hell is Delle Donne doing there? Shouldn't she be resting and rehabbing her knee injury?

She played through the injury for her club team because it was the playoffs; if her country still wants her, isn't the World Cup kinda the same thing? If USA Basketball felt they had better options than a half-fit Delle Donne they should've told her to stay home.



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Richyyy wrote:
craigmont wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
And according to USA Basketball: https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2018/09/wwc-team-named.aspx

That's the cut that makes the most sense to me, given the 13 they'd left themselves with. There's just no way you should be taking seven posts into the tournament.

Hilarious that after all the whining about Geno supposedly picking his teams, arguably the most surprising member of this squad still went to UConn.


What the hell is Delle Donne doing there? Shouldn't she be resting and rehabbing her knee injury?

She played through the injury for her club team because it was the playoffs; if her country still wants her, isn't the World Cup kinda the same thing? If USA Basketball felt they had better options than a half-fit Delle Donne they should've told her to stay home.


She's one of the best players in the world at 100%; if she's at 90%, she's still really, really good.

And a bone bruise doesn't take months to heal, though conceivably it could bother her for a while yet. Still, even if all she does is spot up for threes and handle the ball late in close games to get to the line, she can help the team win.



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PostPosted: 09/20/18 9:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:
So drama going into 2020 assuming Moore and Fowles come back that is two less spots Clarendon and Tuck seem like the obvious choices but adding Fowles to EDD, Stewart, N. Ogwumike, Charles, Wilson and Griner leaves you with 7 posts. So would team USA cut one of the siz posts on the Worlds team for Fowles and if so who? N. Ogwumike and Charles seem like the the last two of the six.

If Plum plays well and continues to develop I could see her claiming that back up spot for 2020. However,I doubt Clarendon can hold off all comer come 2020 for the last guard spot, but who comes to take it? A two years further into her development Ionescu? the two who passed on the opportunity to play on the Worlds team Diggins-Smith or C. Gray? K. Mitchell with two years starting at the PG spot in the WNBA under her belt? (If they feel Bird, Plum, sometimes DT and sometimes Loyd is enough to cover the point the bring a shooter/scorer who has been in the pipeline like Durr? or a Deshields who has two more years to prove herself to the team? Does Angel have just enough distance from her injury come 2020 to reclaim her spot? Do they dare take a WNBA rookie like C. Carter? Or look even farther into the future with college kid future of the PG spot Azzi-Fudd?

My early 2020 guess
(which if this Worlds team taught me anything I will be very wrong going into 2020)

Bird/Plum/?
DT/Loyd
Moore/EDD
Stewart/Wilson/Charles or N. Ogwumike
Griner/Fowles



Not disagreeing with your 2020 Olympic team projections, but having an ancient starting backcourt (Bird pushing 40; DT 2 years behind) cannot be a source of optimism. Sure both future Hall of Famers were great this year in the W, but father time catches up with everyone; if not a loss of ability, then increasing chance of injury (and I am not thinking broken noses). I do think many on this board make the error of transferring what they see in the WNBA to international ball. For instance, much is made of the weak defensive backcourt (correctly) on this World Cup team, but they will not be facing players like, say, Tiffany Hayes, or Jewel Loyd on foreign teams. Heck, my memory from the 2016 Olympics was that Aussie pg Leilani Mitchell, was one of the best. One just does not see the kind of athleticism on other foreign teams that is all over the WNBA.


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canadaball wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
So drama going into 2020 assuming Moore and Fowles come back that is two less spots Clarendon and Tuck seem like the obvious choices but adding Fowles to EDD, Stewart, N. Ogwumike, Charles, Wilson and Griner leaves you with 7 posts. So would team USA cut one of the siz posts on the Worlds team for Fowles and if so who? N. Ogwumike and Charles seem like the the last two of the six.

If Plum plays well and continues to develop I could see her claiming that back up spot for 2020. However,I doubt Clarendon can hold off all comer come 2020 for the last guard spot, but who comes to take it? A two years further into her development Ionescu? the two who passed on the opportunity to play on the Worlds team Diggins-Smith or C. Gray? K. Mitchell with two years starting at the PG spot in the WNBA under her belt? (If they feel Bird, Plum, sometimes DT and sometimes Loyd is enough to cover the point the bring a shooter/scorer who has been in the pipeline like Durr? or a Deshields who has two more years to prove herself to the team? Does Angel have just enough distance from her injury come 2020 to reclaim her spot? Do they dare take a WNBA rookie like C. Carter? Or look even farther into the future with college kid future of the PG spot Azzi-Fudd?

My early 2020 guess
(which if this Worlds team taught me anything I will be very wrong going into 2020)

Bird/Plum/?
DT/Loyd
Moore/EDD
Stewart/Wilson/Charles or N. Ogwumike
Griner/Fowles



Not disagreeing with your 2020 Olympic team projections, but having an ancient starting backcourt (Bird pushing 40; DT 2 years behind) cannot be a source of optimism. Sure both future Hall of Famers were great this year in the W, but father time catches up with everyone; if not a loss of ability, then increasing chance of injury (and I am not thinking broken noses). I do think many on this board make the error of transferring what they see in the WNBA to international ball. For instance, much is made of the weak defensive backcourt (correctly) on this World Cup team, but they will not be facing players like, say, Tiffany Hayes, or Jewel Loyd on foreign teams. Heck, my memory from the 2016 Olympics was that Aussie pg Leilani Mitchell, was one of the best. One just does not see the kind of athleticism on other foreign teams that is all over the WNBA.


I see your point but it looks like DT and Bird are going to try and hang on to 2020. I believe they are both forgoing over-seas play so they can rest and keep their bodies in as good a shape as possible. As you said both had great years this year and they are already old by WNBA standards. They both have incredible basketball IQ and neither one really relies on athleticism to get it done. More to the point if they remain healthy I can't see the powers that be not let them stay on the team, and I doubt both show up for this Worlds when many others did not if they are not gunning for the next Olympics. Loyd, Plum, and a third guard off the bench can also take a large share of minutes in most International competition. Bird and DT aren't going to need to play 30 minutes a night in most games. Only serious injury will keep them off the team IMO.


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Why isn't Maya Moore with Team USA in Spain? Lynx star is taking a much-needed break

http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/24746165/minnesota-lynx-star-maya-moore-taking-much-needed-break-basketball

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Moore said she found the 2018 WNBA season to be extremely taxing, and rest became a priority.

"I can't remember a year that has been as demanding as this one," Moore said. "Coming from overseas to the compressed season, which everybody witnessed was an unbelievably competitive and tough season, top to bottom.


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One thing Moore is doing, though, is working with a program called "Most Valuable Coach," which is sponsored by U.S. Cellular and honors coaches at kindergarten through high school levels. People can vote via the award's website for their favorites among the 50 nominees. There will be three ultimate winners chosen via a combination of voting and an expert panel, which includes Moore and Green Bay Packers wide receiver Randall Cobb.



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On the one hand, there's the Team USA roster; on the other is the opposition.

Which countries have a legitimate shot at a gold medal aside from the U.S.? And of those, which ones have the backcourt talent to take advantage of the American defensive weakness?



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On the one hand, there's the Team USA roster; on the other is the opposition.

Which countries have a legitimate shot at a gold medal aside from the U.S.? And of those, which ones have the backcourt talent to take advantage of the American defensive weakness?


Its always about the teamplay from other teams. Not about their talent matching up with USA. In the past LJ and Penny teams were not as talented as team USA (Penny maybe wouldnt even made the USA team) but they played as a true team and everybody knew what role they had to play. Thats why they had a chance. Same for the mens team last time against the USA.

If team USA has a off shooting night and Cambage goes off while surrounded with shooters Sami whitcomb, O'Hea, Allen, Talbot who have a great shooting night then anything is possible.



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Michelle89 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
On the one hand, there's the Team USA roster; on the other is the opposition.

Which countries have a legitimate shot at a gold medal aside from the U.S.? And of those, which ones have the backcourt talent to take advantage of the American defensive weakness?


Its always about the teamplay from other teams. Not about their talent matching up with USA. In the past LJ and Penny teams were not as talented as team USA (Penny maybe wouldnt even made the USA team) but they played as a true team and everybody knew what role they had to play. Thats why they had a chance. Same for the mens team last time against the USA.

If team USA has a off shooting night and Cambage goes off while surrounded with shooters Sami whitcomb, O'Hea, Allen, Talbot who have a great shooting night then anything is possible.


Good point ... so Australia is a threat. Anyone else?



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ClayK wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
On the one hand, there's the Team USA roster; on the other is the opposition.

Which countries have a legitimate shot at a gold medal aside from the U.S.? And of those, which ones have the backcourt talent to take advantage of the American defensive weakness?


Its always about the teamplay from other teams. Not about their talent matching up with USA. In the past LJ and Penny teams were not as talented as team USA (Penny maybe wouldnt even made the USA team) but they played as a true team and everybody knew what role they had to play. Thats why they had a chance. Same for the mens team last time against the USA.

If team USA has a off shooting night and Cambage goes off while surrounded with shooters Sami whitcomb, O'Hea, Allen, Talbot who have a great shooting night then anything is possible.


Good point ... so Australia is a threat. Anyone else?


Yes I think they might be the team we have to beat...to lose we have to have a horrible shooting game and they have to have a great game .



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ClayK wrote:
Good point ... so Australia is a threat. Anyone else?

It's a short list. Spain has some talent and hopefully a vocal home crowd behind them (and a player in Torrens that USA basically don't have a matchup for if she should happen to have one electric night); and France have been the other best team in Europe for a while (but will miss Dumerc). Any of those three beating the US would be a shock - anyone beyond that group beating them would be a super-shock.



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Richyyy wrote:
ClayK wrote:
Good point ... so Australia is a threat. Anyone else?

It's a short list. Spain has some talent and hopefully a vocal home crowd behind them (and a player in Torrens that USA basically don't have a matchup for if she should happen to have one electric night); and France have been the other best team in Europe for a while (but will miss Dumerc). Any of those three beating the US would be a shock - anyone beyond that group beating them would be a super-shock.


Torrens vs Stewie would be fun though Shocked



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Adding late arrivals and arranging into more appropriate positions, I come up with:
Bird/Plum
Taurasi/Loyd/(TMitchell or KMitchell)
Delle Donne/(Tuck or Collier)
Stewart/Ogwumike/Wilson
Griner/Charles


Sort of a boo-yah moment back from the final 16 players. Missed Clarendon, but got all the roster designations right.

Positions from FIBA site
Bird G/Plum PG
Taurasi SG/Loyd G/Clarendon SG
Delle Donne SF/Tuck SF
Stewart PF/Ogwumike F/Wilson F
Griner C/Charles C



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Griner out versus Senegal due to minor injury. I wonder if they wish they had brought Williams now.


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Griner out versus Senegal due to minor injury. I wonder if they wish they had brought Williams now.


Exactly. If Griner gets hurt our in foul trouble, who is gonna guard Cambage?


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Griner out versus Senegal due to minor injury. I wonder if they wish they had brought Williams now.


Exactly. If Griner gets hurt our in foul trouble, who is gonna guard Cambage?


Jep that would be a problem because you cant really double team against the Opals when their other 4 players are shooters. But even with Griner guarding her i think Cambage will get her 20+ points. If you can keep her to 25 pts then its about stopping everybody else from going off.



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This is also not the most organised Aussie team we've ever seen. The lack of an actual point guard who's any good is pretty glaring. Madgen isn't any kind of PG and Ebzery doesn't really want to be there either. Lavey's just sort of there. Even the US, with their motley collection of perimeter defenders, might pressure the Aussies and create issues.



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It took Lauren Jackson and Penny Taylor together for Australia to win the gold, and even then they weren't the team that beat a mess of a USA in 2006. I don't think a lesser Australian team is going to be able to do it.


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It took Lauren Jackson and Penny Taylor together for Australia to win the gold, and even then they weren't the team that beat a mess of a USA in 2006. I don't think a lesser Australian team is going to be able to do it.


Exactly my point, sometimes talent is not enough. This team is a bit of a mess on its own so when they have an off shooting night and Opals or maybe Spain have a great shooting night then.

They got beat by Russia and Russia got beat by MVP Penny who played on 1 leg really. She had been dealing with a groin injury earlier in that tournament



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PostPosted: 09/23/18 3:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This Opals team doesn’t even look like a lock for second or third best team to me.


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PostPosted: 09/23/18 4:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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This Opals team doesn’t even look like a lock for second or third best team to me.

We're far from a lock for anything, I agree. Capable of beating the other silver medal contenders but also very capable of losing to them.
Lack of time together plus last-minute injuries to our point guards makes it quite the crapshoot for the Opals. Very thankful to have been scheduled 2 easy games to start the tournament. Turkey - the other team in our group - not looking too brilliant themselves, thankfully.



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PostPosted: 09/24/18 4:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If Griner wasn't going to play for whatever reason, why not take Collier or Williams for some experience? If Griner's there for insurance, what good is she going to be if she isn't getting any floor time throughout?


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PostPosted: 09/24/18 6:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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If Griner wasn't going to play for whatever reason, why not take Collier or Williams for some experience? If Griner's there for insurance, what good is she going to be if she isn't getting any floor time throughout?

She reportedly tweaked her ankle and they're understandably being ultra-cautious. I fully expect that she'll play in the games that matter. Might even throw her in for a few minutes tomorrow against Latvia just to test it and knock off some rust.



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PostPosted: 09/24/18 8:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Hayes being pressured not to play theory seems to be gaining some credence. Polkowice announced the signing of Kelsey Bone and it would not have been possible to field their full roster in EuroLeague if Hayes had switched back from European to non-European.
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PostPosted: 09/24/18 9:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Might be the only "pressure" was reminder from her agent that joining Team USA would be great except that it would cost her the bundle she could get paid as Euro Hayes.


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It's unfair after a season where she easily could've been All-WNBA second team, but I can't help but be unenthused about adding Loyd (and relying on her enough to be a de facto starter). She's just essentially disappeared for three-quarters of her team's playoff games. And now she's a key cog in a World Cup for Team USA? Won't be the least bit surprised if she's sat on the bench in high-leverage moments.


I thought the same thing and after reading the stats for the 1st 3 games I still question her being there. A'ja has better stats than Stewie in total.


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PostPosted: 09/26/18 3:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Richyyy wrote:
It's unfair after a season where she easily could've been All-WNBA second team, but I can't help but be unenthused about adding Loyd (and relying on her enough to be a de facto starter). She's just essentially disappeared for three-quarters of her team's playoff games. And now she's a key cog in a World Cup for Team USA? Won't be the least bit surprised if she's sat on the bench in high-leverage moments.


I thought the same thing and after reading the stats for the 1st 3 games I still question her being there. A'ja has better stats than Stewie in total.


You probably should watch the games before jumping to conclusions. When Wilson is in the game she has the green light to take whatever shot she wants. They make her the go to player inside. Stewart is playing on the perimeter most of the time so that others can play inside.
Loyds role on this team is to come in and bring defense and hustle. Just watch her defense against Latvia and you will get what i mean.
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PostPosted: 09/26/18 6:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It probably also helped Wilson to be available when training camp started. Stewart was busy doing something else.....


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PostPosted: 10/01/18 1:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

bballgrl wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
It's unfair after a season where she easily could've been All-WNBA second team, but I can't help but be unenthused about adding Loyd (and relying on her enough to be a de facto starter). She's just essentially disappeared for three-quarters of her team's playoff games. And now she's a key cog in a World Cup for Team USA? Won't be the least bit surprised if she's sat on the bench in high-leverage moments.


I thought the same thing and after reading the stats for the 1st 3 games I still question her being there. A'ja has better stats than Stewie in total.


In six games, Jewell Loyd averaged 5.7 points, 4.0 rebounds, and 3.2 assists per game.

In the semis against Belgium, she had 8 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, and 2 steals (in 19 minutes). In the final against Australia, she had 9 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, and 3 steals in 22 minutes.

Very solid contributions in the last two games.


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PostPosted: 10/01/18 11:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yes I think this Worlds really gave Loyd and Plum a leg up to secure the 2 or 3 open spots on the perimeter come 2020.

When you're a new player in these situations you need to fit in, be ready when your number is called, and perform your role. Plum and Loyd both accomplished this.

And it doesn't hurt that Loyd will have built in chemistry with Bird and Stewart and Plum with Wilson on a team where time to develop chemistry is at a minimum.


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PostPosted: 10/02/18 7:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Loyd did step up a bit in the final couple of games and was clearly the 'third guard' on the team. She definitely has a strong shot at being there in 2020. Plum, on the other hand, pretty much started out as Bird's backup and lost the job as the tournament went along. And lost it to a player who'll only be on the squad in 2020 if 15 people fail to show up again. Plum might be there in two years but only if we see significant development at club level (and/or if half the squad doesn't show up again). I wouldn't count her as any kind of shoo-in.



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PostPosted: 10/02/18 7:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Plum may be on the team because she's a good glue player ala Tuck. Don't really need her oncourt exploits especially if you have Bird and Tauasi.



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Plum may be on the team because she's a good glue player ala Tuck. Don't really need her oncourt exploits especially if you have Bird and Tauasi.

Who are going to be 38 and 39 by the time we get to Tokyo. Backups who Staley is actually willing to play against decent opponents would be nice.



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PostPosted: 10/02/18 9:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
NoDakSt wrote:
Plum may be on the team because she's a good glue player ala Tuck. Don't really need her oncourt exploits especially if you have Bird and Tauasi.

Who are going to be 38 and 39 by the time we get to Tokyo. Backups who Staley is actually willing to play against decent opponents would be nice.


It is an interesting situation, really. It's possible, if not likely, that Bird and Taurasi will give the US its best chance to win gold in 2020 -- and despite the American dominance, winning a gold medal is no easy task. Replacing the minutes of those two with Plum and Loyd would move the U.S. from being a prohibitive favorite to just the favorite.

Staley's charge is to win gold, not develop the 2022 or 2024 team, so if she rides Bird and Taurasi to the top of the podium, she's done her job. Then all three ride off into the sunset, gold medals in hand, and ... well, that's pretty unclear, but it's not her problem.



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PostPosted: 10/02/18 1:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
NoDakSt wrote:
Plum may be on the team because she's a good glue player ala Tuck. Don't really need her oncourt exploits especially if you have Bird and Tauasi.

Who are going to be 38 and 39 by the time we get to Tokyo. Backups who Staley is actually willing to play against decent opponents would be nice.


It is an interesting situation, really. It's possible, if not likely, that Bird and Taurasi will give the US its best chance to win gold in 2020 -- and despite the American dominance, winning a gold medal is no easy task. Replacing the minutes of those two with Plum and Loyd would move the U.S. from being a prohibitive favorite to just the favorite.

Staley's charge is to win gold, not develop the 2022 or 2024 team, so if she rides Bird and Taurasi to the top of the podium, she's done her job. Then all three ride off into the sunset, gold medals in hand, and ... well, that's pretty unclear, but it's not her problem.


One interesting factor looking to 2020, is the significant likelihood of some sort of player stoppage related to negotiating a new CBA. Should the WNBA season be shortened etc., that would probably help the oldsters Bird and DT b/c there might be less opportunity for everyone see them slowing down.


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