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PostPosted: 09/08/18 11:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Elena sides with Serena.

https://twitter.com/De11eDonne/status/1038589417437331456



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PostPosted: 09/09/18 10:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't fault the ref in this one as much as I fault all the other gutless refs out there. Part of the problem is that while this is the rule, it is almost never enforced even though it happens every single match. So now when it is correctly called as rule is written it feels like the ref is doing something wrong and can piss off a player and fans.

Also, Elena is right. We hold a different standard for how players are supposed to behave based upon their gender. When a female athlete does what Serena did here, she is called all sorts of names. Yet when male athletes do it they are simply "competitive" or "passionate", and they are applauded.



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PostPosted: 09/09/18 11:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The meltdown (I intentionally use the word because it seems some people find it sexist to use the term) of Serena Williams is just one more example of people trying to look for offense where none should be taken. Serena is the best female player of all time, but she has frequently had issues that have kept her from being even more dominant.


Yesterday she incurred a warning for coaching. This is something that happens occasionally (I would guess 100 times or more during the course of a year) although the rule is violated at least 10 times more often than that. This is similar to when Seattle was called for improperly inbounding the ball against Washington after a basket in Friday's game. Call made, no big deal - move on. That first warning didn't cost Williams anything but she let it bother her. I suspect she was already feeling pressure because she wasn't playing her best tennis and was being challenged by a newcomer when everyone believed this would be a coronation of the returning mom. And when she got her second code violation for breaking her racquet she was still complaining about the first one. That violation cost her a point and she wanted the first warning rescinded (It doesn't work that way.) As for the final violation, she didn't curse but she directly challenged the umpire's authority It wasn't a single word, but rather the culmination of her ongoing complaints ending with her calling him a thief.

Carlos Ramos, the umpire, is one of the most respected in the game. His respect comes from two decades of officiating tennis at the highest level. He has held top players to account for both time and code violations, something that lesser officials often don't do. He wasn't out to get Serena Williams. He called a fair match according to the rules.

If you want an example of sexism at the US Open refer back to Alize Cornet. This was just a great player not being able to keep her mind focused on tennis, playing sub-par, and being beaten by the better player on that day. All congratulations to Naomi Osaka. Hopefully this is the first of many Grand Slams for her.


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PostPosted: 09/09/18 4:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

And she got fined. Not that it's really much money to her.... Less than .01% of her winnings if my math is correct, which considering it's math is pretty low.

https://www.wane.com/sports/serena-williams-fined-17k-for-rules-violations-at-us-open/1429337258



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PostPosted: 09/10/18 1:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Oh dear....here comes the national hue/cry about sexism/racism; Serena the victim. Laughing

Likely from folks who don't follow sports much.



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PostPosted: 09/10/18 6:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

cthskzfn wrote:
Oh dear....here comes the national hue/cry about sexism/racism; Serena the victim. Laughing

Likely from folks who don't follow sports much.

Yeah, EDD doesn't really know anything about sports...



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PostPosted: 09/11/18 11:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
jap wrote:
What is clear is that Naomi had outplayed Serena up to the point of the 3rd conduct violation, although Serena did break back and has such an outstanding reputation for turning things around. She could have come back in this match to win.


Osaka was up a set and a break at the time of the game penalty


But Serena was up 3-1 in the second set when the first of the infractions occurred.


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PostPosted: 09/11/18 11:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
pilight wrote:
jap wrote:
What is clear is that Naomi had outplayed Serena up to the point of the 3rd conduct violation, although Serena did break back and has such an outstanding reputation for turning things around. She could have come back in this match to win.


Osaka was up a set and a break at the time of the game penalty


But Serena was up 3-1 in the second set when the first of the infractions occurred.


If he was coaching he did a terrible job of it since she lost the next three games, including getting her serve broken twice.



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PostPosted: 09/11/18 1:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
pilight wrote:
jap wrote:
What is clear is that Naomi had outplayed Serena up to the point of the 3rd conduct violation, although Serena did break back and has such an outstanding reputation for turning things around. She could have come back in this match to win.


Osaka was up a set and a break at the time of the game penalty


But Serena was up 3-1 in the second set when the first of the infractions occurred.


If he was coaching he did a terrible job of it since she lost the next three games, including getting her serve broken twice.


The whole point is that she let the warning get to her. The warning was not accusing her of cheating, but she took it that way. And since she has a predisposition towards victimhood (She has had numerous reasons to feel that way, but she has allowed it to get to her at other times when something merely didn't go her way), combined with the stress of such an important match, she couldn't let it go. She wasn't as composed as her opponent who, quite impressively, was able to maintain her level of play throughout.


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PostPosted: 09/11/18 9:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2018/09/ratings-increase-tv-numbers-us-open-final-djokovic-serena-osaka/76898/

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In all, the women's final attracted 3,101,000 viewers, while the men's final between Novak Djokovic and Juan Martin del Potro drew in 2,065,000 viewers.



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PostPosted: 09/15/18 10:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Three former umpires talk about the controversy.

Umpire #1
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“He was like a robot,’’ Somat said, adding that Ramos had “zero feeling for the match.’’

“Terrible judgment,’’ Somat said referring to Ramos. Somat added that Ramos should have quietly addressed the matter with Williams the next time the players changed sides and “everything will be fine after that and we all can watch a great match a proper celebration.’’

“(Ramos) couldn’t wait to issue that warning without thinking even for a second to make sure Serena saw her coach and received the information or not,’’ Samot said.


Umpire #2
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“From an umpire’s perspective, Carlos went right by the book. If you see coaching, you cannot unsee it. If it means that you give a code violation for it, then you give the code violation for it. That’s just the way it is. He saw it, he gave it.’’


*I guess I'd ask, why was he looking at the box to begin with. Are they supposed to? Where is the box in relation to the court? Can the umpire see both the player and the coach at the same time? Is it even possible to determine if the player saw any coaching?


Umpire #3
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“I thought Carlos Ramos did an excellent job,’’ said Chryst, 62. “I thought he enforced the rules. I thought he was not intimidated. I thought he communicated well. He kept his cool.’’


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Other nuggets:

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The problems, according to Somat, trace back to the 2009 U.S. Open, when in the semifinals Williams was called for a foot-fault and then approached the lineswoman who made the call and said, “I'm going to shove this (expletive) ball down your (expletive) throat.”

At a future tournament, Somat said, he gained “total respect” for Williams when he saw her go out of her way to apologize to the lineswoman she had confronted. But, according to Somat, the ill will for Williams festered among other chair umpires and was apparent Saturday when Ramos issued Williams the first code violation, for prohibited coaching.


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“There is no umpire that ever wants to be in the newspaper or talked about,’’ said Hollins, 62. “Every umpire goes out there and makes an honest effort to do a great job every single match.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/tennis/2018/09/15/serena-williams-right-wrong-three-former-tennis-umpires-explain/1304292002/



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