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mercfan3
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Posted: 08/09/18 11:27 am ::: |
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1. Stewart
2. Delle Donne
3. Hayes
4. Parker
5. Cambage
(Pretty big gap between the top 5 and everyone else, so I’ll stop there.) |
Delle Donne has missed a lot of time. She's going to be under 30 games again (now four years running). |
But her stats are fantastic, and her team has performed above expectations, and she has significantly less of a supporting cast than anyone else on that list.
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BamaEd
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Posted: 08/09/18 11:51 am ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
mercfan3 wrote: |
1. Stewart
2. Delle Donne
3. Hayes
4. Parker
5. Cambage
(Pretty big gap between the top 5 and everyone else, so I’ll stop there.) |
Delle Donne has missed a lot of time. She's going to be under 30 games again (now four years running).
Realistically, Hayes will be no better than 5th. I'd guess the voting will go:
1 Stewart
2 Cambage
3 Delle Donne
4 Parker
5 Hayes |
I agree with that. With EDD coming on strong at the end of the year, 2&3 could flip.
But why do you think PGs and SGs have won so few? It is because they can't put up big rebound numbers? Would a PG have to average double figure assists?
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mercfan3
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Posted: 08/09/18 11:57 am ::: |
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BamaEd wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
mercfan3 wrote: |
1. Stewart
2. Delle Donne
3. Hayes
4. Parker
5. Cambage
(Pretty big gap between the top 5 and everyone else, so I’ll stop there.) |
Delle Donne has missed a lot of time. She's going to be under 30 games again (now four years running).
Realistically, Hayes will be no better than 5th. I'd guess the voting will go:
1 Stewart
2 Cambage
3 Delle Donne
4 Parker
5 Hayes |
I agree with that. With EDD coming on strong at the end of the year, 2&3 could flip.
But why do you think PGs and SGs have won so few? It is because they can't put up big rebound numbers? Would a PG have to average double figure assists? |
Yeah, statistics heavily favor post players...even though Minnesota is currently showing everyone how important having a great guard is. (Statistically it’s much easier to get ten rebounds than ten assists. Post players shoot two feet from the Basket, so their shooting percentage is better..etc.. is take a great guard over a great post player any day though.)
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PUmatty
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Posted: 08/09/18 12:06 pm ::: |
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mercfan3 wrote: |
BamaEd wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
mercfan3 wrote: |
1. Stewart
2. Delle Donne
3. Hayes
4. Parker
5. Cambage
(Pretty big gap between the top 5 and everyone else, so I’ll stop there.) |
Delle Donne has missed a lot of time. She's going to be under 30 games again (now four years running).
Realistically, Hayes will be no better than 5th. I'd guess the voting will go:
1 Stewart
2 Cambage
3 Delle Donne
4 Parker
5 Hayes |
I agree with that. With EDD coming on strong at the end of the year, 2&3 could flip.
But why do you think PGs and SGs have won so few? It is because they can't put up big rebound numbers? Would a PG have to average double figure assists? |
Yeah, statistics heavily favor post players...even though Minnesota is currently showing everyone how important having a great guard is. (Statistically it’s much easier to get ten rebounds than ten assists. Post players shoot two feet from the Basket, so their shooting percentage is better..etc.. is take a great guard over a great post player any day though.) |
The post and wing is also where the talent is. Only six guards have been selected No. 1 in the draft, and two of those (Harding and Plum) were in historically weak drafts.
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mercfan3
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Posted: 08/09/18 12:11 pm ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
mercfan3 wrote: |
BamaEd wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
mercfan3 wrote: |
1. Stewart
2. Delle Donne
3. Hayes
4. Parker
5. Cambage
(Pretty big gap between the top 5 and everyone else, so I’ll stop there.) |
Delle Donne has missed a lot of time. She's going to be under 30 games again (now four years running).
Realistically, Hayes will be no better than 5th. I'd guess the voting will go:
1 Stewart
2 Cambage
3 Delle Donne
4 Parker
5 Hayes |
I agree with that. With EDD coming on strong at the end of the year, 2&3 could flip.
But why do you think PGs and SGs have won so few? It is because they can't put up big rebound numbers? Would a PG have to average double figure assists? |
Yeah, statistics heavily favor post players...even though Minnesota is currently showing everyone how important having a great guard is. (Statistically it’s much easier to get ten rebounds than ten assists. Post players shoot two feet from the Basket, so their shooting percentage is better..etc.. is take a great guard over a great post player any day though.) |
The post and wing is also where the talent is. Only six guards have been selected No. 1 in the draft, and two of those (Harding and Plum) were in historically weak drafts. |
True, but I also think Bird and Whalen got screwed out of an MVP because of the bias.
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pilight
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Posted: 08/09/18 1:00 pm ::: |
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BamaEd wrote: |
But why do you think PGs and SGs have won so few? It is because they can't put up big rebound numbers? Would a PG have to average double figure assists? |
There are several factors.
1 The WNBA has evolved into a post-centric league. Unlike the NBA, which has turned towards the perimeter, the W has turned to the paint. A lot of that comes from league history. Teams want to emulate success. The Comets' formula of "give me four first ballot HOFers and we'll figure the rest out later" is too volatile for most coaches and nearly impossible to repeat. Lisa Leslie's Sparks had a much easier to replicate formula, one most teams are trying to implement (with permutations according to available talent).
2 Many WNBA MVP voters don't follow the league as closely as they should. They're newspaper beat writers who spend most of their time covering other sports and aren't that interested in the W. They look at the stats and know the big stars and that's it. The stats tend to favor post players, so post players win the awards.
3 The way the league is officiated favors post play. WNBA officials call more fouls than NBA officials, even adjusting for the higher number of perimeter shots for the men. Therefore teams feed the post more, knowing the refs will likely bail them out.
4 Women are smaller than men, which makes spacing easier in the post.
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BamaEd
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pilight
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Posted: 08/09/18 2:21 pm ::: |
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Once again, I do think it's Stewart's race to lose. Pilight, I agree with you about how the voting will go. I would probably flip flop Hayes & Parker only because of improvement in record for the Dream and Hayes' play over the past month or so. |
Yeah, but MVP voters love Parker
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PUmatty
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Posted: 08/09/18 2:23 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
BamaEd wrote: |
Once again, I do think it's Stewart's race to lose. Pilight, I agree with you about how the voting will go. I would probably flip flop Hayes & Parker only because of improvement in record for the Dream and Hayes' play over the past month or so. |
Yeah, but MVP voters love Parker |
I expect her to come in third.
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pilight
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Posted: 08/09/18 2:23 pm ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
BamaEd wrote: |
Once again, I do think it's Stewart's race to lose. Pilight, I agree with you about how the voting will go. I would probably flip flop Hayes & Parker only because of improvement in record for the Dream and Hayes' play over the past month or so. |
Yeah, but MVP voters love Parker |
I expect her to come in third. |
Maybe if Cambage is 4th. They like EDD a lot too.
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Shades
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Posted: 08/09/18 2:48 pm ::: |
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BamaEd wrote: |
Once again, I do think it's Stewart's race to lose. |
It looked like that's what she's trying to do with today's performance.
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SDHoops
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Posted: 08/09/18 6:09 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
BamaEd wrote: |
Once again, I do think it's Stewart's race to lose. |
It looked like that's what she's trying to do with today's performance. |
Wah wah. Maya isn't the MVP and may never be again. Quit trying to steal everyone's thunder..go pout about the game threads again
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tfan
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Posted: 08/10/18 10:25 am ::: |
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3 The way the league is officiated favors post play. WNBA officials call more fouls than NBA officials, even adjusting for the higher number of perimeter shots for the men. Therefore teams feed the post more, knowing the refs will likely bail them out.
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The WNBA allows more fouls per minute than any league in the world. Change that and I suspect that the refs will suddenly be calling fewer fouls as the play will have to change.
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Posted: 08/10/18 10:43 am ::: |
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tfan wrote: |
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3 The way the league is officiated favors post play. WNBA officials call more fouls than NBA officials, even adjusting for the higher number of perimeter shots for the men. Therefore teams feed the post more, knowing the refs will likely bail them out.
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The WNBA allows more fouls per minute than any league in the world. Change that and I suspect that the refs will suddenly be calling fewer fouls as the play will have to change. |
Or the refs will call fouls the same, and we'll all be complaining about players having to sit massive chunks of most games in foul trouble.
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Posted: 08/16/18 5:25 pm ::: |
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http://www.wnba.com/news/race-to-mvp-week-13-delle-donne-makes-late-push/
1. Breanna Stewart, Seattle Storm (Last Week: 1)
2. Elena Delle Donne, Washington Mystics (Last Week: 4)
3. Candace Parker, Los Angeles Sparks (Last Week: 3)
4. Liz Cambage, Dallas Wings (Last Week: 2)
5. Sylvia Fowles, Minnesota Lynx (Last Week: 5)
6. Tiffany Hayes, Atlanta Dream (Last Week: 6)
7. Diana Taurasi, Phoenix Mercury (Last Week: 8)
8. Brittney Griner, Phoenix Mercury (Last Week: 7)
9. Chelsea Gray, Los Angeles Sparks (Last Week: 9)
10. A’ja Wilson, Las Vegas Aces (Last Week: 10)
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UofDel_Alum
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Posted: 08/19/18 9:44 am ::: |
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I have no problem saying Breanna Stewart is the present MVP and predict that she will be this years MVP IF Seattle wins the WNBA this year.
However, if the Washington Mystics win the playoffs, there should be no doubt that honor is mainly due to the play and leadership of EDD.
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pilight
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Posted: 08/19/18 9:50 am ::: |
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UofDel_Alum wrote: |
I have no problem saying Breanna Stewart is the present MVP and predict that she will be this years MVP IF Seattle wins the WNBA this year.
However, if the Washington Mystics win the playoffs, there should be no doubt that honor is mainly due to the play and leadership of EDD. |
MVP is a regular season award
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toad455
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Posted: 08/19/18 11:17 am ::: |
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Without Cambage this season in Dallas, the Wings would have been a lottery team. Though they likely would have kept Paris. But you can't ignore the Storm's record and Stewart's stats.
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Posted: 08/19/18 11:45 am ::: |
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toad455 wrote: |
Without Cambage this season in Dallas, the Wings would have been a lottery team. Though they likely would have kept Paris. But you can't ignore the Storm's record and Stewart's stats. |
Agreed
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