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ClayK



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PostPosted: 07/30/18 10:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The top three in + all have new coaches ...

The bottom three include aging and uninterested (much of the time) Minnesota, a new coach and a coach that has less than a sterling reputation.

Coaching does matter as long as there is talent to work with ...



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PostPosted: 07/30/18 11:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:

Williams + Cambage + Stevens = +3; What’s the value of Williams?
Brondello + January - Robinson + Bonner + (1/2)Lyttle = +1; Value of Brondello?



Shades wrote:

Miller + Ogwumike - (1/2)Thomas = -3; Value of Miller is reaching sub-basement levels. May have to consider further excavation.

Maybe they'll win in the playoffs this year, or maybe not.

Shades wrote:

Reeve - Howard - Pierson - Montgomery - Perkins + Robinson + Wright + Zandalasini = -6
Math says Reeve’s value as a first time GM really sucks


Reeve was probably stupid like me and assumed Maya Moore would be an MVP-caliber player this year, and not that Maya needed Perkins, Montgomery, Howard, and Pierson to make her look good, since Maya is worth at least -2 or -3 wins this year versus prior years. Or Reeve isn't a great coach, since players become "better" when they leave the Lynx, and players like Maya become "mediocre" instead when they stay on the Lynx, because it is embarrassing knowing that Howard is statistically better than Maya Moore this season, making it look like the Lynx should've traded Maya Moore instead, though then Maya would probably average 25 ppg, 9 rpg, 7 apg, & 4 spg, while Howard would still average 10 mpg on the Lynx playing behind whatever mediocre veteran they signed to replace Pierson (originally Kizer). Though in theory, Reeve should've not kept Brunson, but that would've never happened because of "feelings".




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PostPosted: 07/30/18 11:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Randy wrote:
Collen + Angel = +6


Hughes + Howard = +9
Laimbeer + Wilson = +8
Williams + Cambage + Stevens = +3; What’s the value of Williams?
Brondello + January - Robinson + Bonner + (1/2)Lyttle = +1; Value of Brondello?
Stocks + DeShields + Williams + Coates + (1/2)Faulkner = -1; Stocks market is down this year
Thibault - Meesseman + Sanders + Atkins = -1; Usual meh from Thibault
Miller + Ogwumike - (1/2)Thomas = -3; Value of Miller is reaching sub-basement levels. May have to consider further excavation.
Agler + (1/2)Pondexter + (1/2)Vadeeva - (1/2)Beard - (1/2)Ogwumike = -4
Reeve - Howard - Pierson - Montgomery - Perkins + Robinson + Wright + Zandalasini = -6
Math says Reeve’s value as a first time GM really sucks
Smith - Raintree + Coleman + (1/2)Boyd - (1/2)Prince - (1/2)Zellous + Nurse - (9/10)Arena = -6; The addition of a Nurse to this MASH unit wasn’t enough to stop the bleeding
Pokey - Larkins - Coleman - January + Mitchell + Vivians = -6


Hughes + Howard + Canada + Paris - Swords - Takashiki - Peterson = +9
Laimbeer + Wilson + Young + Park + Swords + Bone + Allen - Harrison - Holmes - Colson - Montgomery - Alexander - Burdick = +8


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PostPosted: 07/30/18 11:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yeah, I was trying keep things cleaner by not including marginal value entities other than the coaches.



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PostPosted: 07/30/18 12:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Plus, Laimbeer was the guy making the roster moves, so he gets credit for most personnel changes except Wilson. (Anybody smarter than a rock knew to draft Wilson.)


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PostPosted: 07/30/18 1:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Let's all remember that Indiana was bad last year, and is now much, much worse. Some of that might be intentional, though does anyone really think the likes of the January and Larkins we see this year would make much of a difference? Pokey has somehow managed to make a bad team look like it will challenge for the least or second least number of wins in WNBA history. the rookies look worse than when the season started? The signing of Cappie is ludicrous.

What else does a coach have to do to get fired?


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PostPosted: 07/30/18 1:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PUmatty wrote:
Let's all remember that Indiana was bad last year, and is now much, much worse. Some of that might be intentional, though does anyone really think the likes of the January and Larkins we see this year would make much of a difference? Pokey has somehow managed to make a bad team look like it will challenge for the least or second least number of wins in WNBA history. the rookies look worse than when the season started? The signing of Cappie is ludicrous.

What else does a coach have to do to get fired?


Pokey has a history of going the extra mile in that regard



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PostPosted: 07/30/18 2:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Randy wrote:
Collen + Angel = +6


Hughes + Howard = +9
Laimbeer + Wilson = +8
Williams + Cambage + Stevens = +3; What’s the value of Williams?
Brondello + January - Robinson + Bonner + (1/2)Lyttle = +1; Value of Brondello?
Stocks + DeShields + Williams + Coates + (1/2)Faulkner = -1; Stocks market is down this year
Thibault - Meesseman + Sanders + Atkins = -1; Usual meh from Thibault
Miller + Ogwumike - (1/2)Thomas = -3; Value of Miller is reaching sub-basement levels. May have to consider further excavation.
Agler + (1/2)Pondexter + (1/2)Vadeeva - (1/2)Beard - (1/2)Ogwumike = -4
Reeve - Howard - Pierson - Montgomery - Perkins + Robinson + Wright + Zandalasini = -6
Math says Reeve’s value as a first time GM really sucks
Smith - Raintree + Coleman + (1/2)Boyd - (1/2)Prince - (1/2)Zellous + Nurse - (9/10)Arena = -6; The addition of a Nurse to this MASH unit wasn’t enough to stop the bleeding
Pokey - Larkins - Coleman - January + Mitchell + Vivians = -6

Meh from Thibault? Because his record is 1 game worse after replacing 2 borderline all-star players with a roleplayer and a mid-1st round rookie?


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PostPosted: 07/30/18 4:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Yeah, I was trying keep things cleaner by not including marginal value entities other than the coaches.


Some might be marginal, but Tamara Young is playing 26.9 mpg in place of Alex Montgomery who is pretty far down the Chicago bench this year (6.4 mpg in 19 games).

Colson (11.6 mpg) and Holmes (11.3 mpg) combined for 22.9 mpg in 2017 but couldn't make a WNBA roster this year. Kayla Alexander was 15.4 mpg in 2017, but this year is 9.0 mpg on the worst team.


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PostPosted: 08/06/18 7:20 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Code:
+-    Team              TY       LY
+9    Seattle          21-7     12-16
+8    Atlanta          18-10    10-18
+6    Las Vegas        12-15     6-21
+1    Dallas           14-14    13-15
+1    Phoenix          16-13    15-14
 0    Washington       16-11    16-11
-1    Chicago          10-18    11-17
-2    Connecticut      16-12    18-10
-3    Los Angeles      17-11    20-8
-4    Indiana           5-23     9-19
-7    Minnesota        15-13    22-6
-8    New York          7-20    15-12



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PostPosted: 08/13/18 6:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Code:
+-    Team              TY       LY
+10   Atlanta          22-10    12-20
+10   Seattle          24-8     14-18
+6    Las Vegas        13-18     7-24
+3    Washington       20-11    17-14
+2    Phoenix          18-14    16-16
 0    Dallas           14-17    14-17
-1    Chicago          11-20    12-19
-2    Connecticut      18-13    20-11
-4    Indiana           5-26     9-22
-5    Los Angeles      18-13    23-8
-7    Minnesota        17-14    24-7
-11   New York          7-23    18-12



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PostPosted: 08/20/18 6:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Code:
+-    Team              TY       LY
+11   Atlanta          23-11    12-22
+11   Seattle          26-8     15-19
+6    Las Vegas        14-20     8-26
+4    Washington       22-12    18-16
+2    Phoenix          20-14    18-16
+1    Chicago          13-21    12-22
 0    Connecticut      21-13    21-13
-1    Dallas           15-19    16-18
-3    Indiana           6-28     9-25
-7    Los Angeles      19-15    26-8
-9    Minnesota        18-16    27-7
-15   New York          7-27    22-12



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PostPosted: 08/20/18 11:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Laimbeer leaves NY: -15
LV comes to Las Vegas: +6

'Nuf sed.



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PostPosted: 08/20/18 11:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Laimbeer leaves NY: -15
LV comes to Las Vegas: +6

'Nuf sed.


I guess this is a season that goes under the category of "Coaches Do Matter". Boucek out, Hughes in Seattle is +11. Cooper out, Collen in Atlanta is + 11. The 3 teams that improved the most brought in new coaches. Team that dropped the most changed coaches too.


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PostPosted: 08/20/18 12:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Laimbeer leaves NY: -15
LV comes to Las Vegas: +6


You could also interpret as
MSG leaves NYL: -15
Wilson and MGM come to LVA: +6

‘Nuf sed.



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PostPosted: 08/20/18 12:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Natasha Howard moves from Minnesota to Seattle. Smile


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PostPosted: 08/20/18 12:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

craigmont wrote:
Natasha Howard moves from Minnesota to Seattle. Smile


Thanks a lot Reeve. Seattle already makes fun of the Thunder for being too cheap/stupid to keep James Harden, and now they make fun of the Lynx for being too cheap/stupid to keep Natasha Howard. 😭


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PostPosted: 08/20/18 12:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SpaceJunkie wrote:
craigmont wrote:
Natasha Howard moves from Minnesota to Seattle. Smile


Thanks a lot Reeve. Seattle already makes fun of the Thunder for being too cheap/stupid to keep James Harden, and now they make fun of the Lynx for being too cheap/stupid to keep Natasha Howard. 😭


I'm just a Storm fan, I don't worry too much about what's going on at the end of other people's benches. All I know is what a difference Howard has made here.


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PostPosted: 08/20/18 1:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

craigmont wrote:
I'm just a Storm fan, I don't worry too much about what's going on at the end of other people's benches. All I know is what a difference Howard has made here.


At least my initial fear came true. Very Happy
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I'm scared the Lynx are obsessed with getting rid of Howard for nothing, sort of like how the Twins were once obsessed with getting rid of David Ortiz for nothing, and we all saw how that worked out. lol


I want Robert Mueller to investigate whether Reeve colluded with Seattle so the Storm can win the title this year, otherwise Reeve is too stupid, or not Minnesota enough, for her to repeat all the same mistakes all the other Minnesota GMs have made. Smile




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PostPosted: 08/20/18 1:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

duplicate


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PostPosted: 08/20/18 1:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Well if you're so mad about letting Howard go, imagine how Indiana fans must feel. Smile


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PostPosted: 08/20/18 1:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

craigmont wrote:
Well if you're so mad about letting Howard go, imagine how Indiana fans must feel. Smile


With the exception of a couple of games, Howard was a disaster at Indiana who often looked like she had never seen a basketball before. It's nice that she has improved since then, but I'm not mad at all about Indiana trading her.


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PostPosted: 08/20/18 2:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

craigmont wrote:
Well if you're so mad about letting Howard go, imagine how Indiana fans must feel. Smile


I already know, because the Natasha Howard Curse says whatever team has her goes to the WNBA Finals every year, while whatever team trades her will be (about) .500 the next season and forced to rebuild. I was too naive to ever think Reeve would rather get rid of Howard than be guaranteed to make the WNBA Finals and not have to go almost .500 the next year and rebuild. Maybe next time I should warn her about all these curses, and then I should bet on them if I think they might exist. Smile And the Natasha Howard Curse obviously supersedes the New York Liberty Curse, unless the Lynx magically win the WNBA Finals with Tanisha Wright. The Storm were a lock to win the title as soon as they picked up Mercedes Russell, unless there is an even greater Aerial Powers Curse that says getting rid of Powers gets you (or the coach) fired and the team that ends up with her wins the title to fulfill the prophecy of Aerial Powers being able to admire the WNBA Championship Trophy again as in WNBA 09's avatar. Smile


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PostPosted: 08/20/18 2:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Are you sure Fred wasn't the victim of the Saniya Chong curse.


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PostPosted: 08/20/18 2:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
Are you sure Fred wasn't the victim of the Saniya Chong curse.


That was definitely it, and then he was doubly cursed by replacing the poised Chong with the Spanish flameoutco dancer.
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