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PostPosted: 07/20/18 12:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Those who continue to support the traitor in the WH, and/or the GOP, should just admit they don't give a shit about democracy.

Just come out and say you're fine w/ voter suppression, Russian election hacking, and treason, so long as "your side" wins.


Don't let the hysteria on CNN and MSNBC distract you from this:

Russia sanctions: What you need to know

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US President Donald Trump approved fresh sanctions on Russia Wednesday after Congress showed overwhelming bipartisan support for the new measures.

Congress passed the bill last week in response to Russia's interference in the 2016 US election, as well as its human rights violations, annexation of Crimea and military operations in eastern Ukraine.


If there was voter suppression, why haven't Democrats sued to have judges make decisions on it?

Looks like there is a lot of wiggle room in the law with regard to treason:

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Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.


What in the heck kind of wording is that? It looks like it was made just so powerful people could hammer little guys they didn't like. If a soldier or army doctor helps a wounded captured soldier is he guilty of treason? Sure sounds like it.



Nice window dressing by traitors Trump and McConnell, done only because of the fallout from the Putin and Puppet show in Helsinki Monday.



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https://thinkprogress.org/states-purged-16-million-voters-from-the-rolls-before-the-2016-election-1c5688dcaad7/

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/26/us/supreme-court-ruling.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-russia-sanctions-trump-no-new-congress-law-election-hacking-intervention-putin-kremlin-a8184866.html



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PostPosted: 07/20/18 3:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

cthskzfn wrote:
tfan wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
Those who continue to support the traitor in the WH, and/or the GOP, should just admit they don't give a shit about democracy.

Just come out and say you're fine w/ voter suppression, Russian election hacking, and treason, so long as "your side" wins.


Don't let the hysteria on CNN and MSNBC distract you from this:

Russia sanctions: What you need to know

Quote:

US President Donald Trump approved fresh sanctions on Russia Wednesday after Congress showed overwhelming bipartisan support for the new measures.

Congress passed the bill last week in response to Russia's interference in the 2016 US election, as well as its human rights violations, annexation of Crimea and military operations in eastern Ukraine.


If there was voter suppression, why haven't Democrats sued to have judges make decisions on it?

Looks like there is a lot of wiggle room in the law with regard to treason:

Quote:
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.


What in the heck kind of wording is that? It looks like it was made just so powerful people could hammer little guys they didn't like. If a soldier or army doctor helps a wounded captured soldier is he guilty of treason? Sure sounds like it.



Nice window dressing by traitors Trump and McConnell, done only because of the fallout from the Putin and Puppet show in Helsinki Monday.


That legislation is from last summer.


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PostPosted: 07/23/18 8:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
tfan wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
Those who continue to support the traitor in the WH, and/or the GOP, should just admit they don't give a shit about democracy.

Just come out and say you're fine w/ voter suppression, Russian election hacking, and treason, so long as "your side" wins.


Don't let the hysteria on CNN and MSNBC distract you from this:

Russia sanctions: What you need to know

Quote:

US President Donald Trump approved fresh sanctions on Russia Wednesday after Congress showed overwhelming bipartisan support for the new measures.

Congress passed the bill last week in response to Russia's interference in the 2016 US election, as well as its human rights violations, annexation of Crimea and military operations in eastern Ukraine.


If there was voter suppression, why haven't Democrats sued to have judges make decisions on it?

Looks like there is a lot of wiggle room in the law with regard to treason:

Quote:
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.


What in the heck kind of wording is that? It looks like it was made just so powerful people could hammer little guys they didn't like. If a soldier or army doctor helps a wounded captured soldier is he guilty of treason? Sure sounds like it.



Nice window dressing by traitors Trump and McConnell, done only because of the fallout from the Putin and Puppet show in Helsinki Monday.


That legislation is from last summer.



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-russia-sanctions-trump-no-new-congress-law-election-hacking-intervention-putin-kremlin-a8184866.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/11/politics/us-russia-cyber-sanctions/index.html



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PostPosted: 07/23/18 8:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/07/20/the-entire-republican-party-is-becoming-a-russian-asset/?utm_term=.a6026c86a428


The entire Republican Party is becoming a Russian asset



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PostPosted: 07/23/18 9:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Man, Trump must be shitting his pants, based on this morning's twitter shitstorm. LOL.

All caps! Gee Donny, you must be serious!



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PostPosted: 07/24/18 7:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

btw, Iran has not allowed Twitter since 2009(?). so your little tantrum was all for show, just for the base. egads, he's one stupid traitorous POS!

btw, he also is too stupid to know that Comey & McCabe had their security clearances already pulled when they were dismissed. this is no more than his always threatening to sue people. he never does cuz he doesn't want to open himself up to any sort of discovery.

I almost choked when Fuckabee was spouting her lies about how the prez was mad cuz they were monetizing their positions. seriously. you can't make this shit up. Emoluments, anyone?



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PostPosted: 07/24/18 8:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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btw, Iran has not allowed Twitter since 2009(?). so your little tantrum was all for show, just for the base.


All of Trump's public statements are just for show. That's why he says so many contradictory things. He doesn't mean any of it, he just says what people want to hear.



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PostPosted: 07/24/18 12:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

scullyfu wrote:
btw, Iran has not allowed Twitter since 2009(?). so your little tantrum was all for show, just for the base. egads, he's one stupid traitorous POS!

btw, he also is too stupid to know that Comey & McCabe had their security clearances already pulled when they were dismissed. this is no more than his always threatening to sue people. he never does cuz he doesn't want to open himself up to any sort of discovery.

I almost choked when Fuckabee was spouting her lies about how the prez was mad cuz they were monetizing their positions. seriously. you can't make this shit up. Emoluments, anyone?



Yes. And where is the press when Sarah Suckaball Sanders, et al, lies out her ass and wandering eye? Sitting there with their thumbs up their ass because "access" is so much more critical than truth, democracy, and the republic.



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PostPosted: 07/26/18 8:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-june-2016-meeting-knowledge/index.html


Cohen claims Trump knew in advance of Trump Tower meeting in June, 2016.


Laughing

drip drip drip



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cthskzfn wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-june-2016-meeting-knowledge/index.html


Cohen claims Trump knew in advance of Trump Tower meeting in June, 2016.


Laughing

drip drip drip



Laughing Laughing

Granted, I honestly believe Mueller already has Donald. I think he is digging deeper.



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cthskzfn wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-june-2016-meeting-knowledge/index.html


Cohen claims Trump knew in advance of Trump Tower meeting in June, 2016.


Laughing

drip drip drip



Laughing Laughing

Granted, I honestly believe Mueller already has Donald. I think he is digging deeper.




Hmm, Cohen's lawyer says he didn't leak this info; infers Trump's side did. Hmmm.



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cthskzfn wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-june-2016-meeting-knowledge/index.html


Cohen claims Trump knew in advance of Trump Tower meeting in June, 2016.


Laughing

drip drip drip



Laughing Laughing

Granted, I honestly believe Mueller already has Donald. I think he is digging deeper.




Hmm, Cohen's lawyer says he didn't leak this info; infers Trump's side did. Hmmm.


Stupid Watergate



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PostPosted: 07/26/18 10:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Mueller isn't investigating Cohen. The NYC US Attorney is, but not for Russian collusion. That's Mueller's bailiwick. So what's the importance of this Trump Tower meeting story to the NYC US Attorney's investigation?

And again, it's just another anti-Trump story from another unnamed source.

Finally, even if the story is true, so what? The meeting was perfectly legal and absolutely nothing came of it.

If Cohen said this, of which I'm very skeptical, I read it as a pathetic attempt to get a pardon from Trump.
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PostPosted: 07/26/18 11:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Finally, even if the story is true, so what? The meeting was perfectly legal and absolutely nothing came of it.


Well....

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Trump has repeatedly denied having any knowledge about the meeting and told The New York Times in July 2017 that he “didn’t know anything” about it.


Obviously, the Liar in Chief lied about the event, saying he didn't know about it, when he DID. Why would he lie? Cuz the truth reveals he DID collude with/condoned/encouraged Russians to interfere, maybe?? Why do people excuse this constant barrage of LIES?



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PostPosted: 07/27/18 12:01 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
Mueller isn't investigating Cohen. The NYC US Attorney is, but not for Russian collusion. That's Mueller's bailiwick. So what's the importance of this Trump Tower meeting story to the NYC US Attorney's investigation?

And again, it's just another anti-Trump story from another unnamed source.

Finally, even if the story is true, so what? The meeting was perfectly legal and absolutely nothing came of it.

If Cohen said this, of which I'm very skeptical, I read it as a pathetic attempt to get a pardon from Trump.


Your position seems to be that continual lying about the meeting, including testimony in front of Congressional committees by Donald Jr. is nothing. Continual lying by Trump throughout the campaign and his presidency about ties to Russia is nothing.

And as for Cohen being investigated by the AG's office in Southern New York just because they aren't directly looking into the Russian issue doesn't mean that this information is not germane. If anything it shows that this isn't just a witch hunt by Mueller.

I am not going to jump to the conclusion that this proves guilt; Cohen's credibility by itself is not sufficient evidence given all of his previous lies.

But if it is true it proves that Trump has consistently lied about the meeting and more broadly about Russian ties to him and his campaign. It also puts his Trump's comments about him getting ready to deliver a speech about Hillary Clinton on June 7 (after the meeting had been set up and 2 days before it was held) into clearer perspective.

It seems we have come to a point where Trump supporters no longer care about lying by the President. There is no need for truth when the President is on your side. If that is the position of enough of this country then we are in very sad shape.

When it comes to President Obama, his lie about being able to keep your doctor became a rallying cry for years. (This wasn't really a lie, but it was certainly a gross simplification of a complex issue, and as such was intended to mislead people into believing Obamacare would be a panacea) But there were very few lies and there was actual attempt to stay within the bounds of the truth.. The entire Benghazi investigation seems to surround whether in the first few days Susan Rice was sent out to give a false statement on the reasons for the attack on the Sunday news shows. He answer was perhaps only partially true (contemporaneous notes have shown that her answers followed the approved statements) but they are somewhat different from what Clinton said in a few e-mails.


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GlennMacGrady wrote:
Mueller isn't investigating Cohen. The NYC US Attorney is, but not for Russian collusion. That's Mueller's bailiwick. So what's the importance of this Trump Tower meeting story to the NYC US Attorney's investigation?

And again, it's just another anti-Trump story from another unnamed source.

Finally, even if the story is true, so what? The meeting was perfectly legal and absolutely nothing came of it.

If Cohen said this, of which I'm very skeptical, I read it as a pathetic attempt to get a pardon from Trump.




July 11, 2017

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-russians-legal-analysis-20170711-story.html


Federal law makes it a crime for any person to "solicit, accept or receive" a contribution or "anything of value" from a foreign person for a U.S. political campaign or "for the purpose of influencing any election for federal office."



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PostPosted: 07/27/18 10:01 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

cthskzfn wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
Mueller isn't investigating Cohen. The NYC US Attorney is, but not for Russian collusion. That's Mueller's bailiwick. So what's the importance of this Trump Tower meeting story to the NYC US Attorney's investigation?

And again, it's just another anti-Trump story from another unnamed source.

Finally, even if the story is true, so what? The meeting was perfectly legal and absolutely nothing came of it.

If Cohen said this, of which I'm very skeptical, I read it as a pathetic attempt to get a pardon from Trump.




July 11, 2017

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-russians-legal-analysis-20170711-story.html


Federal law makes it a crime for any person to "solicit, accept or receive" a contribution or "anything of value" from a foreign person for a U.S. political campaign or "for the purpose of influencing any election for federal office."


So?

Here's the complete statute, which was adopted in 1976 primarily to deter multinational foreign corporations from contributing money to U.S. campaigns:

"It shall be unlawful for a foreign national directly or through any other person to make any contribution of money or other thing of value, or to promise expressly or impliedly to make any such contribution, in connection with an election to any political office or in connection with any primary election, convention, or caucus held to select candidates for any political office; or for any person to solicit, accept, or receive any such contribution from a foreign national."

The phrase "other thing of value" means some financial equivalent of money, such as "loans, gifts, deposits, guarantees, subscriptions, and any type of security."

https://www.law.upenn.edu/journals/jil/articles/volume17/issue3/Powell17U.Pa.J.Int%27lEcon.L.957(1996).pdf

This phrase "other thing of value" has never been interpreted by the FEC or a court to mean opposition research dirt. If it had been so interpreted, then the clearest violation of such an interpretation would be the Steele Dossier, which is replete with unverified dirt on Trump and his associates compiled by a British source entirely from anonymous Russian sources, and which was solicited, accepted, received and paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaigns.

I'm not aware of any evidence that anyone involved in the Trump Tower meeting solicited, accepted, or received any money or monetary equivalent from a foreign source at that meeting or as a result of it. The evidence is that the meeting was solely about adoptions and the Maginsky Act, and that the Trump contingent was uninterested and walked out.

Finally, even in those cases where the statute is clearly violated, it is almost always treated as a civil matter by the FEC, which may impose some fines or civil penalties, not as a criminal matter by a special DOJ prosecutor.

If there's a link to a serious legal analysis that contradicts mine, I'd be interested in seeing it. Conclusory or speculative sound bites from politically partisan lawyers in superficial media stories don't qualify.
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PostPosted: 07/27/18 11:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
If there's a link to a serious legal analysis that contradicts mine, I'd be interested in seeing it. Conclusory or speculative sound bites from politically partisan lawyers in superficial media stories don't qualify.

Seriously? You need a "link"?

You can parse all the legalese you might want to support your logic, or contradict others. Just tell me this: WHY would Donald Trump have LIED ABOUT KNOWLEDGE OF THE MEETING??

The nature and details of the meeting clearly warranted enough concern on his part to lie about his knowledge of it. Lock. Him. Up. Cool



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WHY would Donald Trump have LIED ABOUT KNOWLEDGE OF THE MEETING??


Exactly.

First, he has no reason to lie about knowing of the meeting because there was nothing illegal, immoral or fattening about the meeting -- even if it had been about getting dirt on Hillary Clinton, which it wasn't according to all evidence.

Second, there is no credible evidence that Trump has lied about not knowing about the meeting. He has said he didn't know, his son has testified before Congress (and probably the same in his subject-to-perjury interview with the FBI/Mueller) that Trump didn't know, and no one who was at the meeting has contradicted this.

Third, why would you believe there is any credible evidence that Trump lied about his knowledge? All we have is one recent anonymous source who says Cohen has contradictory knowledge. Cohen hasn't verified this. Cohen's lawyer hasn't verified this, but is just letting the unsourced allegation hang out there. To me, the overwhelming credible evidence from known sources is that Trump did not know about the meeting.

Finally, even if Trump has lied to the press about his knowledge of the meeting, that's not illegal either. Politicians and other public figures lie to the press about all sorts of things all the time.

If you don't like serious legal analyses, here's the summary: The Trump Tower meeting was a complete nothingburger, and the anonymously sourced claim that Cohen has information that contradicts the two Dons would not be admitted in any court.

Do you all prefer your nothingburgers with cheese, ketchup or onions . . . or only with obsessions?
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To me, the overwhelming credible evidence from known sources is that Trump did not know about the meeting.


Talk about "obsession"....this is where your "Prove to me the sky is blue" via legal parsing is your undoing.

Donald J. Trump knew exactly when, where, and how everyone--certainly his SONS--pissed and shit, and who had the chicken salad. If you think for one minute such a meeting was done without his knowledge, let alone without his direct orders, then you may be beyond any help. Laughing



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To me, the overwhelming credible evidence from known sources is that Trump did not know about the meeting.


Talk about "obsession"....this is where your "Prove to me the sky is blue" via legal parsing is your undoing.

Donald J. Trump knew exactly when, where, and how everyone--certainly his SONS--pissed and shit, and who had the chicken salad. If you think for one minute such a meeting was done without his knowledge, let alone without his direct orders, then you may be beyond any help. Laughing



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Trump is a know-nothing. Trump is a know-everything. What a contradictory guy!

If he knows so much, doesn't he know that Kimberly Guilfoyle is too old for junior.
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Trump is a know-nothing. Trump is a know-everything. What a contradictory guy!

If he knows so much, doesn't he know that Kimberly Guilfoyle is too old for junior.

He knows nothing about policy.

Knows a lot about marketing and is a fantastic con-man.



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GlennMacGrady wrote:
Trump is a know-nothing.


He certainly uses much of the same rhetoric that the know-nothings did



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