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PostPosted: 07/12/18 10:30 am    ::: Hillary was right, again Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 07/12/18 1:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Makes me sad to watch that and not see her in the WH.



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PostPosted: 07/12/18 3:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

who was it on tv last night who called him a malevolent idiot (i think)? i've been trying to find the perfect term for him. that one comes close.



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PostPosted: 07/12/18 5:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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who was it on tv last night who called him a malevolent idiot (i think)? i've been trying to find the perfect term for him. that one comes close.

That is a spot-on descriptor. I'm stealing it.



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PostPosted: 07/12/18 5:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Makes me sad to watch that and not see her in the WH.


If we had her in office and a Dem majority...I think we’re looking at a public option in health care, increased min wage, a young and liberal Supreme Court, legislation to overturn Citizen United, and no baby jail.

Talk about screwing up.

I’ve said for years, history is going to look positively on Clinton, and not so great at our treatment of her.



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PostPosted: 07/12/18 7:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I moved this post to the "American Idiot" thread.



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PostPosted: 07/12/18 11:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

lol. You guys.



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PostPosted: 07/13/18 5:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

In 2015 the United States spent 37% of the total world expenditures on the military. We spent approximately what the next 7 highest military-spending countries spent combined. What exactly would be the problem if Trump "broke up NATO"? We'd have to worry about former NATO members attacking us? What Clinton should have been criticizing Trump about was his claims that we needed to "build up our depleted military". The wrong that Trump did was getting Congress to "build up our bloated military".



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What exactly would be the problem if Trump "broke up NATO"? We'd have to worry about former NATO members attacking us?


There's a smidge of 'cluelessness' there. Just cuz our military budget is so much larger than the others DOESN'T make us invulnerable [See: 9/11] It's more about NATO not helping us in our hour of need.

IFFFF (Goddess forbid, and.....who could imagine it in this climate? Rolling Eyes) Russia should launch an offensive across the Pacific on our western shores, we'd be most desperately in need of the logistical positioning and support of our NATO allies in Europe.

We may have the largest military budget on the planet, but we're also spread more thinly than any other military, too. Allies bolster our strength, not weaken it.



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PostPosted: 07/13/18 10:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

More military spending isn't going to help a 9/11 situation.

We spend entirely too much on the military.



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PostPosted: 07/13/18 12:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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What exactly would be the problem if Trump "broke up NATO"? We'd have to worry about former NATO members attacking us?


There's a smidge of 'cluelessness' there. Just cuz our military budget is so much larger than the others DOESN'T make us invulnerable [See: 9/11]


But 9/11 wouldn't have been any different if we were out of NATO or if our military was 10 times larger. We gave those 20 guys permission to come here, we allowed box cutters on planes, and we didn't have our planes setup so that the cockpit could not be broken into by passengers. The solution involved airline/airport operation rules and new airplane construction requirements about cockpit doors. I am not aware of the military being involved in any solution.

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It's more about NATO not helping us in our hour of need.

IFFFF (Goddess forbid, and.....who could imagine it in this climate? Rolling Eyes) Russia should launch an offensive across the Pacific on our western shores, we'd be most desperately in need of the logistical positioning and support of our NATO allies in Europe.

We may have the largest military budget on the planet, but we're also spread more thinly than any other military, too. Allies bolster our strength, not weaken it.


But my point was, without NATO, or without the USA as part of NATO, Europe should still be our ally. Particularly the UK and its relationship with the USA in places like Menwith Hill.


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PostPosted: 07/13/18 12:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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But 9/11 wouldn't have been any different if we were out of NATO or if our military was 10 times larger.


Correct. Hence, my point: even WITH "allies" in place, we still have our vulnerabilities, and should not alienate them for whatever unforeseen crisis may arise.

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But my point was, without NATO, or without the USA as part of NATO, Europe should still be our ally.


"would" and "should" are 2 different matters: If we maintain a positive Alliance status with, say, Germany, it's much more effective and efficient to use that geography to our advantage in a crisis than, say, if we piss Germany off and are at odds with them. Needless to say, we play the Big Brother role in protecting them, also, so they have much to lose if relations are strained. But the simple question: WHY strain them? Budgetary discrepancies can be resolved without alienating.



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PostPosted: 07/14/18 8:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The other thing I neglected to mention with regard to NATO is that Trump is only president for at maximum 6 more years, only part of which we would be out of NATO. The Republicans are always banging the war drum and a Republican president will be back in NATO in a jiffy. And now the Democrats want to reverse anything Trump has done that the rich are against, so they'd jump back in right away too.


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PostPosted: 07/14/18 10:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Senate panel upholds finding that Russia backed Trump, contradicting House



http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/395408-senate-intel-committee-no-reason-to-dispute-ic-assessment-of-russian-election




Just a summer refresher....



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PostPosted: 07/16/18 8:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

500,000 US citizens' personal information was allegedly hacked by Russian Army Intelligence.

Traitor Trump's reaction: call the press the enemy of the country and keep his Performance Review appt., in private, w/ his employer Putin.

Anyone who continues to support this traitorous bastard is an equal traitor to the USA.

The GOP's continued complicity loudly proclaims its position.

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/13/17568806/mueller-russia-intelligence-indictment-full-text



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500,000 US citizens' personal information was allegedly hacked by Russian Army Intelligence.

Traitor Trump's reaction: call the press the enemy of the country and keep his Performance Review appt., in private, w/ his employer Putin.

Anyone who continues to support this traitorous bastard is an equal traitor to the USA.

The GOP's continued complicity loudly proclaims its position.

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/13/17568806/mueller-russia-intelligence-indictment-full-text



oh wait, I forgot that the House Republifucks, after the indictments came down friday, decided it might be a good idea to impeach Rosenstein.



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PostPosted: 07/17/18 12:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I’ve said for years, history is going to look positively on Clinton, and not so great at our treatment of her.

How many times have things like this happened?
http://www.neonnettle.com/features/1398-fbi-agent-who-exposed-hillary-clinton-s-cover-up-found-dead
Not sure what you mean about the treatment part but everyone who is set to testify against her always ends up getting murdered.


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PostPosted: 07/17/18 8:03 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I’ve said for years, history is going to look positively on Clinton, and not so great at our treatment of her.


History will view her as a footnote. At best she'll be as well remembered as Al Smith.



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PostPosted: 07/24/18 1:00 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
I’ve said for years, history is going to look positively on Clinton, and not so great at our treatment of her.


History will view her as a footnote. At best she'll be as well remembered as Al Smith.

I think that she might be more. I believe that the last election will be considered a notable historical event, and that she will be remembered as the candidate Trump ran against. There are other people who lost famous (or as I believe to be the case here, infamous) elections. There are also First Ladies who are remembered. I think she's more than a footnote, when all is said and done.


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Stonington_QB wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:

I’ve said for years, history is going to look positively on Clinton, and not so great at our treatment of her.

How many times have things like this happened?
http://www.neonnettle.com/features/1398-fbi-agent-who-exposed-hillary-clinton-s-cover-up-found-dead
Not sure what you mean about the treatment part but everyone who is set to testify against her always ends up getting murdered.


PolitiFact.com, Snopes.com, and FactCheck.org all have several pages devoted to this subject, and claim that these theories are false and unfounded by any true evidence. Fox News publicly retracted some of its reporting to the contrary on the subject. From the Wikipedia page about one of Hillary's supposed victims (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich):

"Rich's parents condemned the conspiracy theorists and said that these individuals were exploiting their son's death for political gain, and their spokesperson called the conspiracy theorists "disgusting sociopaths". They requested a retraction and apology from Fox News after the network promoted the conspiracy theory, and sent a cease and desist letter to the investigator Fox News used. The investigator stated that he had no evidence to back up the claims which Fox News attributed to him. Fox News issued a retraction, but did not apologize or publicly explain what went wrong."

Not even Fox News will touch this stuff now; I have heard plenty of diatribes from Sean Hannity that attack Hillary as viciously as possible and claim all sorts of crimes that he feels she has committed, but no mention of any murders is ever made now. If Fox News has rejected it, I can only feel even more confident that it's simply another example of people bearing false witness against Hillary Clinton.


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PostPosted: 07/24/18 7:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NYSports56 wrote:
Stonington_QB wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:

I’ve said for years, history is going to look positively on Clinton, and not so great at our treatment of her.

How many times have things like this happened?
http://www.neonnettle.com/features/1398-fbi-agent-who-exposed-hillary-clinton-s-cover-up-found-dead
Not sure what you mean about the treatment part but everyone who is set to testify against her always ends up getting murdered.


PolitiFact.com, Snopes.com, and FactCheck.org all have several pages devoted to this subject, and claim that these theories are false and unfounded by any true evidence. Fox News publicly retracted some of its reporting to the contrary on the subject. From the Wikipedia page about one of Hillary's supposed victims (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich):

"Rich's parents condemned the conspiracy theorists and said that these individuals were exploiting their son's death for political gain, and their spokesperson called the conspiracy theorists "disgusting sociopaths". They requested a retraction and apology from Fox News after the network promoted the conspiracy theory, and sent a cease and desist letter to the investigator Fox News used. The investigator stated that he had no evidence to back up the claims which Fox News attributed to him. Fox News issued a retraction, but did not apologize or publicly explain what went wrong."

Not even Fox News will touch this stuff now; I have heard plenty of diatribes from Sean Hannity that attack Hillary as viciously as possible and claim all sorts of crimes that he feels she has committed, but no mention of any murders is ever made now. If Fox News has rejected it, I can only feel even more confident that it's simply another example of people bearing false witness against Hillary Clinton.

Bingo! And conversely, if Fux newz IS harping on it.....well, you know. Though I don't believe in Hell, I like the idea of creating one for Fox News and all its associates, and certainly one for its mouth-breathing patrons. JMO.



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pilight wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
I’ve said for years, history is going to look positively on Clinton, and not so great at our treatment of her.


History will view her as a footnote. At best she'll be as well remembered as Al Smith.


Sure.



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NYSports56 wrote:
Stonington_QB wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:

I’ve said for years, history is going to look positively on Clinton, and not so great at our treatment of her.

How many times have things like this happened?
http://www.neonnettle.com/features/1398-fbi-agent-who-exposed-hillary-clinton-s-cover-up-found-dead
Not sure what you mean about the treatment part but everyone who is set to testify against her always ends up getting murdered.


PolitiFact.com, Snopes.com, and FactCheck.org all have several pages devoted to this subject, and claim that these theories are false and unfounded by any true evidence. Fox News publicly retracted some of its reporting to the contrary on the subject. From the Wikipedia page about one of Hillary's supposed victims (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich):

"Rich's parents condemned the conspiracy theorists and said that these individuals were exploiting their son's death for political gain, and their spokesperson called the conspiracy theorists "disgusting sociopaths". They requested a retraction and apology from Fox News after the network promoted the conspiracy theory, and sent a cease and desist letter to the investigator Fox News used. The investigator stated that he had no evidence to back up the claims which Fox News attributed to him. Fox News issued a retraction, but did not apologize or publicly explain what went wrong."

Not even Fox News will touch this stuff now; I have heard plenty of diatribes from Sean Hannity that attack Hillary as viciously as possible and claim all sorts of crimes that he feels she has committed, but no mention of any murders is ever made now. If Fox News has rejected it, I can only feel even more confident that it's simply another example of people bearing false witness against Hillary Clinton.


Trump Chumps and Hillary Haters share a disdain for reality, it seems.



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Speaking of "Trump Chumps", Sean Spicer gets a fair grilling. God bless Emily Maitlis. Cool



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Trump is full-on Orwell now.



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Trump is full-on Orwell now.



So we now have official transcripts and video being altered from Helsinki. The meeting with Putin went so well that Trump won't tell even his national security staff what happened. We now have three versions of the subsequent press conference; the original video, the "official" US video and the "official" Russian video..

I can understand the so called "left-wing media" being outraged, but Trump has convinced most of his supporters not to believe the "fake news." I once again will look to Fox and the mainstream Senate Republicans to see if they make any pushback They haven't been good on these occasions, but at least some on the news side (Chris Wallace, Shepard Smith) and a few Senators (Corker, Flake, McCain and most recently Burr) have shown some spine.


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PostPosted: 07/25/18 9:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Those Senators are all talk- no spine at all.

All Flake needs to do is become an Independent and caucus w/ the Dems and a lot of this shit will end.


Here's a laugher:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1021784726217142273



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I am not saying these are modern day Profiles in Courage, but as it relates to the Republicans that have spoken up, they have done so against their short-term political interest. I would certainly prefer Chuck Schumer to Cecil Turtle as the Majority Leader. But while I disagree with the Republican grownups in the Senate on most issues, I still believe McConnell is doing what he believes is in the best interests of the country. He believes in a more conservative court and he has pushed that issue to tremendous advantage. The same is true of the changes in the tax system and trying to gut the health care system. The Republican-led Senate Judiciary Committee may have slow walked its investigation but it did acknowledge Russian interference. The Republicans want a smaller less effective government, but they don't want a wholesale dismantling of the State or selling out to the Russians.

In less than 4 months there will be an election. If the Dems win the House, and I strongly believe they will, there will be an impeachment. The Senate will decide the outcome. I believe that more than half the Republican senators will support that impeachment, based on Mueller's investigation and what will be significant televised congressional hearings. Over the course of the past year there have been many crackpot comments coming out of Washington. But the senators have been largely quiet, allowing House members to say the most absurd things. And having gotten as much of their agenda through as they can, I believe they will do the right thing. They will still have Mike Pence as President and they can try to lessen the Democratic intensity going into 2020.

Maybe I'm deluding myself, but I certainly hope not.


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I am not saying these are modern day Profiles in Courage, but as it relates to the Republicans that have spoken up, they have done so against their short-term political interest. I would certainly prefer Chuck Schumer to Cecil Turtle as the Majority Leader. But while I disagree with the Republican grownups in the Senate on most issues, I still believe McConnell is doing what he believes is in the best interests of the country. .


I have yet to see ANY evidence of that. McConnell is The Face of all that is wrong with congress...pandering to lobbyists, corporations, etc.



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Howee wrote:
calbearman76 wrote:
I am not saying these are modern day Profiles in Courage, but as it relates to the Republicans that have spoken up, they have done so against their short-term political interest. I would certainly prefer Chuck Schumer to Cecil Turtle as the Majority Leader. But while I disagree with the Republican grownups in the Senate on most issues, I still believe McConnell is doing what he believes is in the best interests of the country. .


I have yet to see ANY evidence of that. McConnell is The Face of all that is wrong with congress...pandering to lobbyists, corporations, etc.


Agreed. He is the problem personified.



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calbearman76 wrote:
I am not saying these are modern day Profiles in Courage, but as it relates to the Republicans that have spoken up, they have done so against their short-term political interest. I would certainly prefer Chuck Schumer to Cecil Turtle as the Majority Leader. But while I disagree with the Republican grownups in the Senate on most issues, I still believe McConnell is doing what he believes is in the best interests of the country. .


I have yet to see ANY evidence of that. McConnell is The Face of all that is wrong with congress...pandering to lobbyists, corporations, etc.


I am no fan of McConnell. I agree that he is beholden to corporate interests. His vision of America is not the same as mine. But I believe that he will continue to put the interests of the country (as he sees them) above the interests of the President. That isn't a high bar, but unfortunately it is a bar that many in the House can't seem to meet.

As for evidence, I point to his statements regarding Mueller. He has continually supported him, even while not supporting legislation to protect him. There seems an implied threat to Trump that he is willing to slow walk the investigations to allow progress to be made on portions of the Trump agenda (packing the court, deregulation) but he won't let it be squelched. He probably also has his hands in protecting Jeff Sessions, Dan Coats and some others in the administration.


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He has continually supported him, even while not supporting legislation to protect him.

Isn't that an absolute contradiction of terms? It certainly isn't unequivocal support.
No, I see Mitchy as far more interested in NOT pissing off the Kentucky deplorables that love Trump, the same ones HE needs to remain in office, far more than any commitment to higher, altruistic patriotism.



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