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PostPosted: 05/17/18 1:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

miller40 wrote:
I hope we win 5 games this season.


Seems pretty optimistic to me. Where are those wins coming from?

Anyway it's not a bad year to tank. Though little effort will be required for that. Add Kalani Brown and give K. Mitchell and ViVi a year to acclimate and Shenise a year back from injury...and this team will start to look like a real team again. Patience is clearly required in the short term.



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I just realized Erica McCall is on the final roster. I am tempted to take back everything I said about waiving Larkins.


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I just realized Erica McCall is on the final roster. I am tempted to take back everything I said about waiving Larkins.


I don't know about Larkins off the court, but on the court she was a great role model of how the game should be played -- and again, given that you're going to lose anyway, that kind of leadership could be worth more than what I tend to see as the very, very low probability that Erica McCall will ever be a WNBA starter.



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Larkins waived.

This is the rebuildiest of all rebuilds.


Larkins will find a spot on someone's bench.


Lynx could use her off the bench.


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PostPosted: 05/17/18 2:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
I just realized Erica McCall is on the final roster. I am tempted to take back everything I said about waiving Larkins.


I don't know about Larkins off the court, but on the court she was a great role model of how the game should be played -- and again, given that you're going to lose anyway, that kind of leadership could be worth more than what I tend to see as the very, very low probability that Erica McCall will ever be a WNBA starter.


I saw very, very low probability that Erica McCall would be a WNBA player this year, so what do I know ...


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PostPosted: 05/17/18 2:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
I just realized Erica McCall is on the final roster. I am tempted to take back everything I said about waiving Larkins.


I don't know about Larkins off the court, but on the court she was a great role model of how the game should be played -- and again, given that you're going to lose anyway, that kind of leadership could be worth more than what I tend to see as the very, very low probability that Erica McCall will ever be a WNBA starter.

Always possible that Larkins saw the writing on the tanking wall and asked out, and they agreed to do her a solid and let her walk. Building a reputation with players and agents for doing things like that can be a useful thing for a franchise.



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PostPosted: 05/17/18 2:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
miller40 wrote:
I hope we win 5 games this season.


Seems pretty optimistic to me. Where are those wins coming from?

Anyway it's not a bad year to tank. Though little effort will be required for that. Add Kalani Brown and give K. Mitchell and ViVi a year to acclimate and Shenise a year back from injury...and this team will start to look like a real team again. Patience is clearly required in the short term.


Right, hoping for 5 is the most optimistic outlook I could muster. Lol. I'm hoping for one against Chicago and Las Vegas each. And then maybe some more at the end of the season when contenders are resting starters.


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PostPosted: 05/17/18 3:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
ClayK wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
I just realized Erica McCall is on the final roster. I am tempted to take back everything I said about waiving Larkins.


I don't know about Larkins off the court, but on the court she was a great role model of how the game should be played -- and again, given that you're going to lose anyway, that kind of leadership could be worth more than what I tend to see as the very, very low probability that Erica McCall will ever be a WNBA starter.

Always possible that Larkins saw the writing on the tanking wall and asked out, and they agreed to do her a solid and let her walk. Building a reputation with players and agents for doing things like that can be a useful thing for a franchise.


Is she healthy? Because that was her biggest problem the last 2 seasons if i remember correctly. She is a solid defender for an undersized center. I wouldnt mind if the Storm would pick her up and drop Muldrow if she s healthy



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PostPosted: 06/13/18 12:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 06/13/18 3:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The lack of size is truly concerning. I'm wondering if Indiana could explore a trade package of Dupree/Shenise to a contender close to the deadline if they are producing and the team keeps losing big time (or if they win too, actually) to get some young big and maybe one pick.

The season is already lost, I like what I see tho and think this team is not that far from contending if they press the right buttons at the next Draft and its young core develop as expected.

The same as I think Minny would be a little rushed to throw the season away, I think Indiana should be poised to explore every option they can looking toward the future.


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PostPosted: 06/13/18 3:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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The lack of size is truly concerning. I'm wondering if Indiana could explore a trade package of Dupree/Shenise to a contender close to the deadline if they are producing and the team keeps losing big time (or if they win too, actually) to get some young big and maybe one pick.


Imani McGee-Stafford is young, big, and available



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PostPosted: 06/13/18 4:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
chapulana wrote:
The lack of size is truly concerning. I'm wondering if Indiana could explore a trade package of Dupree/Shenise to a contender close to the deadline if they are producing and the team keeps losing big time (or if they win too, actually) to get some young big and maybe one pick.


Imani McGee-Stafford is young, big, and available


Stop putting that into the universe. I don't trust Pokey one bit.


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PostPosted: 06/13/18 4:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

miller40 wrote:
pilight wrote:
chapulana wrote:
The lack of size is truly concerning. I'm wondering if Indiana could explore a trade package of Dupree/Shenise to a contender close to the deadline if they are producing and the team keeps losing big time (or if they win too, actually) to get some young big and maybe one pick.


Imani McGee-Stafford is young, big, and available


Stop putting that into the universe. I don't trust Pokey one bit.


I doubt either wants to play for each other .



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PostPosted: 06/13/18 4:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
chapulana wrote:
The lack of size is truly concerning. I'm wondering if Indiana could explore a trade package of Dupree/Shenise to a contender close to the deadline if they are producing and the team keeps losing big time (or if they win too, actually) to get some young big and maybe one pick.


Imani McGee-Stafford is young, big, and available


And has underwhelmed us in every possible aspect.



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PostPosted: 06/13/18 4:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
chapulana wrote:
The lack of size is truly concerning. I'm wondering if Indiana could explore a trade package of Dupree/Shenise to a contender close to the deadline if they are producing and the team keeps losing big time (or if they win too, actually) to get some young big and maybe one pick.


Imani McGee-Stafford is young, big, and available


I don't know how she could be available. She was used quite a bit last night.



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PostPosted: 06/13/18 5:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
chapulana wrote:
The lack of size is truly concerning. I'm wondering if Indiana could explore a trade package of Dupree/Shenise to a contender close to the deadline if they are producing and the team keeps losing big time (or if they win too, actually) to get some young big and maybe one pick.


Imani McGee-Stafford is young, big, and available


I know how she could be available. She was used quite a bit last night.


Confused You saying she was being showcased for a trade?



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PostPosted: 06/13/18 6:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fever just need to watch until 2019 and draft either McCowan or Brown. They'll lock in a solid bench player with their 2nd round pick, too.

PG: KMitchell/Wheeler
SG: TMitchell/Johnson/Abdelkader
SF: Vivians/2nd round pick
PF: Dupree/Mavunga/McCall
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PostPosted: 06/13/18 7:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
Fever just need to watch until 2019 and draft either McCowan or Brown. They'll lock in a solid bench player with their 2nd round pick, too.

PG: KMitchell/Wheeler
SG: TMitchell/Johnson/Abdelkader
SF: Vivians/2nd round pick
PF: Dupree/Mavunga/McCall
C: McCowan/Achonwa


I dont think Dupree should be in their future plans moving forward. I do think they should wait it out for the Draft 19 tho .



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PostPosted: 06/13/18 7:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
Fever just need to watch until 2019 and draft either McCowan or Brown. They'll lock in a solid bench player with their 2nd round pick, too.

PG: KMitchell/Wheeler
SG: TMitchell/Johnson/Abdelkader
SF: Vivians/2nd round pick
PF: Dupree/Mavunga/McCall
C: McCowan/Achonwa


No 2nd round pick. They traded it to LV for Kayla Alexander.


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PostPosted: 06/14/18 12:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PUmatty wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Fever just need to watch until 2019 and draft either McCowan or Brown. They'll lock in a solid bench player with their 2nd round pick, too.

PG: KMitchell/Wheeler
SG: TMitchell/Johnson/Abdelkader
SF: Vivians/2nd round pick
PF: Dupree/Mavunga/McCall
C: McCowan/Achonwa


No 2nd round pick. They traded it to LV for Kayla Alexander.


This. Reason why I think they should trade someone at some point for another pick and stack on big this next draft. Not much other than Pree tho...


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PostPosted: 06/14/18 9:20 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
Fever just need to watch until 2019 and draft either McCowan or Brown. They'll lock in a solid bench player with their 2nd round pick, too.

PG: KMitchell/Wheeler
SG: TMitchell/Johnson/Abdelkader
SF: Vivians/2nd round pick
PF: Dupree/Mavunga/McCall
C: McCowan/Achonwa


Counting on the draft is like counting on, well, Alaina Coates to be a WNBA starter.



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ClayK wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Fever just need to watch until 2019 and draft either McCowan or Brown. They'll lock in a solid bench player with their 2nd round pick, too.

PG: KMitchell/Wheeler
SG: TMitchell/Johnson/Abdelkader
SF: Vivians/2nd round pick
PF: Dupree/Mavunga/McCall
C: McCowan/Achonwa


Counting on the draft is like counting on, well, Alaina Coates to be a WNBA starter.


Exactly. Kayla Alexander isn't a player you build around, but she has demonstrated that she can be a serviceable deep bench player. No reason to expect that someone drafted at, say, No. 17, would be the same.

We are 10 games into the season, and half of the second round has already be waived by the teams that drafted them.


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Kayla Alexander's going to cost you twice as much as your average second-round pick, though, which is meaningful to some teams. Completely irrelevant to Indiana at the moment, but can become important once you're trying to fit in a host of max salaries under the cap.



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Kayla Alexander's going to cost you twice as much as your average second-round pick, though, which is meaningful to some teams. Completely irrelevant to Indiana at the moment, but can become important once you're trying to fit in a host of max salaries under the cap.


If Indiana starts to have that problem, I will be happy to cut Alexander loose Very Happy


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PostPosted: 06/14/18 4:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Fever just need to watch until 2019 and draft either McCowan or Brown. They'll lock in a solid bench player with their 2nd round pick, too.

PG: KMitchell/Wheeler
SG: TMitchell/Johnson/Abdelkader
SF: Vivians/2nd round pick
PF: Dupree/Mavunga/McCall
C: McCowan/Achonwa


Counting on the draft is like counting on, well, Alaina Coates to be a WNBA starter.


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I have a strange itch that Wheeler will not be apart of this teams future plans. She's obviously on a different page than the rest of the squad .



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PostPosted: 06/14/18 5:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I have a strange itch that Wheeler will not be apart of this teams future plans. She's obviously on a different page than the rest of the squad .


Problem is that they really don't have anyone better to play backup PG if they go with K-Mitch as the starter. Wheeler -aka Poison Pill - is much maligned like a lot WNBA players - but there are not a bunch of better players sitting by their phones waiting for a call. (I would see if Chong's number is in the book if they have given up on Erica.)



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toad455 wrote:
Fever just need to watch until 2019 and draft either McCowan or Brown. They'll lock in a solid bench player with their 2nd round pick, too.

PG: KMitchell/Wheeler
SG: TMitchell/Johnson/Abdelkader
SF: Vivians/2nd round pick
PF: Dupree/Mavunga/McCall
C: McCowan/Achonwa


Having an elite center who can be a double-digit scoring option will open up more opportunities for KMitchell and Vivians, who have shown their abilities in creating shots this year.

As an aside, with today's loss (June 14, 2018), Indiana (0-10) has lost 18 in a row dating to last season. The Fever are 2-28 since July 1, 2017.


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Randy wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
I have a strange itch that Wheeler will not be apart of this teams future plans. She's obviously on a different page than the rest of the squad .


Problem is that they really don't have anyone better to play backup PG if they go with K-Mitch as the starter. Wheeler -aka Poison Pill - is much maligned like a lot WNBA players - but there are not a bunch of better players sitting by their phones waiting for a call. (I would see if Chong's number is in the book if they have given up on Erica.)


Fever are better with Erica than Chong .



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I always liked Chong when she was with the Wings, but you've seen her play more than me.



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I always liked Chong when she was with the Wings, but you've seen her play more than me.


I like'd chong also , but Shes a safe guard . A player who wont turn it over , but wont contribute on the offense end either. Shes not aggressive to the hoop so i wouldnt count on points coming from Chong. Wheeler is by far the better option if they are even wanting to win at least 1 game this season .



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Randy wrote:
I always liked Chong when she was with the Wings, but you've seen her play more than me.


I like'd chong also , but Shes a safe guard . A player who wont turn it over , but wont contribute on the offense end either. Shes not aggressive to the hoop so i wouldnt count on points coming from Chong. Wheeler is by far the better option if they are even wanting to win at least 1 game this season .

Chong is also VERY solid on defense. She gets a lot of steals and very few turnovers. But, yeah, don't expect much offense from Saniya.


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Randy wrote:
I always liked Chong when she was with the Wings, but you've seen her play more than me.


I like'd chong also , but Shes a safe guard . A player who wont turn it over , but wont contribute on the offense end either. Shes not aggressive to the hoop so i wouldnt count on points coming from Chong. Wheeler is by far the better option if they are even wanting to win at least 1 game this season .

Chong is also VERY solid on defense. She gets a lot of steals and very few turnovers. But, yeah, don't expect much offense from Saniya.


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I don't really see what Dietrick does for the Dream, so maybe the Dream should pick up Chong.



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I don't really see what Dietrick does for the Dream, so maybe the Dream should pick up Chong.


I was thinking the same thing



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I don't really see what Dietrick does for the Dream, so maybe the Dream should pick up Chong.

Seems reasonable. You know what you're getting with Chong. Of course Atlanta already has a good defense. Maybe Blake is showing a lot of potential in practice that impresses Collen and company.


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The 11th and 12th players are never used, barring extreme circumstances. There is something to be said for having players in that slot that are just happy to have made a roster.


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I had noticed that Victoria Vivians was wearing her shorts notably shorter than the standard:



and then in their most recent game I mistook Mavunga for Vivians because she is doing it too:




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Randy wrote:
I don't really see what Dietrick does for the Dream, so maybe the Dream should pick up Chong.


I was thinking the same thing


This i like but she might see way less time than she did in dallas with the double negatives already at that franchise.



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I don't really see what Dietrick does for the Dream, so maybe the Dream should pick up Chong.


Why do you feel a need for a third PG? Are you thinking this is Clarendon’s last year? Is Collen thinking this? Usually three point guards is overkill, especially considering Hayes, Sykes, and McCoughtry are all more than capable of initiating the offense. 🤔



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Shades wrote:
Randy wrote:
I don't really see what Dietrick does for the Dream, so maybe the Dream should pick up Chong.


Why do you feel a need for a third PG? Are you thinking this is Clarendon’s last year? Is Collen thinking this? Usually three point guards is overkill, especially considering Hayes, Sykes, and McCoughtry are all more than capable of initiating the offense. 🤔


As opposed to having four shooting guards? With 12 players you're gonna have too much of something.



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If Clarendon or Montgomery get injured we'd need a backup. If Tip, Angel or Sykes get injured Clarendon can play the 2 but we'd need some minutes for backup at the 1 position when Clarendon is covering the 2.



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Here’s my depth chart for ATL
Montgomery/Clarendon/Dietrick
Hayes/Sykes/Lucas
McCoughtry/
Breland/Dantas/Billings
Williams/McGee-Stafford

Now if you’re anticipating Clarendon being gone next season, maybe I’d consider developing another PG. So Randy, why do you want Chong instead of like a taller G/F?



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Okay, now I’ve read what you said. You’re gonna want 3 PG’s in perpetuity?



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Have the Fever gotten so bad that even their thread on Rebkell gets highjacked and no one notices?


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Better “hijacked” than lost on page 3 where I had to look for it.



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Have the Fever gotten so bad that even their thread on Rebkell gets highjacked and no one notices?


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Well Shades, the Lynx have 3 players who can play PG - Whalen, Robinson and if needed Wright. Ideally Dream might have a backup for Angel, but Hayes and even Sykes have rotated to the 3 as needed.

So to get this back to Indy - I've been thinking maybe IMS+Dantas for Achonwa. IMS played her best ball for Pokey and they stand to pick up a good post in the next draft making Achonwa somewhat unnecessary.



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Randy wrote:
Well Shades, the Lynx have 3 players who can play PG - Whalen, Robinson and if needed Wright. Ideally Dream might have a backup for Angel, but Hayes and even Sykes have rotated to the 3 as needed.

So to get this back to Indy - I've been thinking maybe IMS+Dantas for Achonwa. IMS played her best ball for Pokey and they stand to pick up a good post in the next draft making Achonwa somewhat unnecessary.


No. No. No.

Achonwa is better than both of those players. Why would Fever trade her for two post players who aren't any good? Why would the Fever have any interest in IMS or Dantas?


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PostPosted: 06/15/18 8:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ping pong balls? Ok - Offer retracted.



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