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+1    Connecticut       1-0      0-1
+1    Phoenix           2-0      1-1
 0    Dallas            1-1      1-1
 0    Indiana           0-2      0-2
 0    Las Vegas         0-1      0-1
 0    Los Angeles       1-0      1-0
 0    Seattle           0-1      0-1
 0    Washington        1-0      1-0
-1    Atlanta           0-1      1-0
-1    Minnesota         0-1      1-0
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Are you ready to project Amber Stocks as the COY based on the early gravy schedule?



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PostPosted: 05/21/18 9:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Are you ready to project Amber Stocks as the COY based on the early gravy schedule?


I'm holding off until next week to start the award polls



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+3    Connecticut       3-0      0-3
+2    Washington        4-0      2-2
+1    Chicago           2-2      1-3
+1    Los Angeles       3-1      2-2
 0    Dallas            2-2      2-2
 0    Las Vegas         0-3      0-3
 0    Phoenix           2-2      2-2
 0    Seattle           3-1      3-1
-1    Atlanta           1-2      2-1
-1    New York          0-2      1-1
-2    Indiana           0-5      2-3
-2    Minnesota         2-2      4-0



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+4    Connecticut       5-0      1-4
+2    Chicago           3-3      1-5
+1    Las Vegas         1-5      0-6
+1    Los Angeles       4-1      3-2
 0    Dallas            3-3      3-3
 0    New York          2-2      2-2
 0    Phoenix           4-3      4-3
 0    Seattle           5-2      5-2
-1    Washington        5-3      6-2
-2    Atlanta           2-3      4-1
-2    Indiana           0-6      2-4
-5    Minnesota         2-5      7-0



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+4    Connecticut       7-1      3-5
+2    Chicago           3-5      1-7
+1    Atlanta           5-3      4-4
+1    Dallas            4-3      3-4
+1    Las Vegas         1-7      0-8
+1    Los Angeles       5-2      4-3
+1    Phoenix           7-3      6-4
+1    Seattle           6-3      5-4
-1    New York          3-4      4-3
-1    Washington        5-4      6-3
-3    Indiana           0-8      3-5
-6    Minnesota         3-6      9-0



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+3    Las Vegas         3-9      0-12
+3    Phoenix          10-3      7-6
+2    Seattle           8-3      6-5
+1    Atlanta           6-5      5-6
+1    Chicago           3-7      2-8
+1    Connecticut       7-4      6-5
+1    Dallas            5-4      4-5
+1    Los Angeles       8-2      7-3
-1    Washington        6-5      7-4
-3    New York          3-6      6-3
-4    Indiana           1-10     5-6
-5    Minnesota         4-6      9-1



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+4    Las Vegas         5-10     1-14
+4    Seattle          10-4      6-8
+2    Connecticut       8-5      6-7
+2    Dallas            6-6      4-8
+1    Atlanta           7-6      6-7
+1    Chicago           4-9      3-10
+1    Phoenix          10-5      9-6
 0    Los Angeles      10-3     10-3
 0    Washington        8-5      8-5
-3    New York          4-8      7-5
-5    Minnesota         7-6     12-1
-6    Indiana           1-13     7-7



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PostPosted: 06/25/18 7:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Just noticed that the Fever were 7-7 at this point last season. And the Lynx were 12-1.



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+4    Las Vegas         6-12     2-16
+4    Seattle          12-5      8-9
+2    Chicago           6-10     4-12
+2    Phoenix          13-5     11-7
 0    Atlanta           8-8      8-8
 0    Connecticut       9-7      9-7
 0    Dallas            7-8      7-8
 0    Los Angeles      12-5     12-5
 0    Washington       10-6     10-6
-3    New York          5-11     8-8
-4    Minnesota        10-6     14-2
-6    Indiana           1-16     7-10



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So far not much proof that Angel or the coaching change is making the Dream any better. Of course, all they have to do is avoid a 10 game losing streak and they probably will end up better bu the time the season ends.



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So far not much proof that Angel or the coaching change is making the Dream any better. Of course, all they have to do is avoid a 10 game losing streak and they probably will end up better bu the time the season ends.


Same can be said for the Wings. But people know our losses are mostly because of the sideline leader and not the players themselves.



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PostPosted: 07/02/18 10:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
Randy wrote:
So far not much proof that Angel or the coaching change is making the Dream any better. Of course, all they have to do is avoid a 10 game losing streak and they probably will end up better bu the time the season ends.


Same can be said for the Wings. But people know our losses are mostly because of the sideline leader and not the players themselves.


But Fred was coaching last year, so it is surprising that Dallas has the same record (so far) as last year, when their roster was considered upgraded.


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PostPosted: 07/02/18 10:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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WNBA 09 wrote:
Randy wrote:
So far not much proof that Angel or the coaching change is making the Dream any better. Of course, all they have to do is avoid a 10 game losing streak and they probably will end up better bu the time the season ends.


Same can be said for the Wings. But people know our losses are mostly because of the sideline leader and not the players themselves.


But Fred was coaching last year, so it is surprising that Dallas has the same record (so far) as last year, when their roster was considered upgraded.


Was He? Shocked



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PostPosted: 07/02/18 11:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
tfan wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Randy wrote:
So far not much proof that Angel or the coaching change is making the Dream any better. Of course, all they have to do is avoid a 10 game losing streak and they probably will end up better bu the time the season ends.


Same can be said for the Wings. But people know our losses are mostly because of the sideline leader and not the players themselves.


But Fred was coaching last year, so it is surprising that Dallas has the same record (so far) as last year, when their roster was considered upgraded.


Was He? Shocked


Bah dump bump. But the point is, the coach is factored out of the changes equation. The Dallas Wings (whose lineup may get over-rated) was supposed to have been upgraded and yet they have the same record (so far). So the lineup change may not have been as good as thought. But it's still early.


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It's not really that early now. The season is about half over. Dallas has played 15 games while some teams have played 17 or 18. The rest of the teams have played 16 games. The time to start improving records is now.



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PostPosted: 07/03/18 12:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Randy wrote:
So far not much proof that Angel or the coaching change is making the Dream any better. Of course, all they have to do is avoid a 10 game losing streak and they probably will end up better bu the time the season ends.


Same can be said for the Wings. But people know our losses are mostly because of the sideline leader and not the players themselves.


But Fred was coaching last year, so it is surprising that Dallas has the same record (so far) as last year, when their roster was considered upgraded.


There's an upper limit on how good your team can be if Fred Williams is the coach. He's had seven full seasons for three different teams and has never won more than 18 games.



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+6    Las Vegas         8-12     2-18
+6    Seattle          15-5      9-11
+3    Phoenix          14-6     11-9
+1    Atlanta           9-9      8-10
+1    Chicago           7-12     6-13
+1    Dallas           10-8      9-9
+1    Washington       12-7     11-8
-1    Connecticut      10-9     11-8
-2    Los Angeles      12-8     14-6
-5    Indiana           2-17     7-12
-5    New York          5-14    10-9
-6    Minnesota        11-8     17-2



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+6    Las Vegas         8-12     2-18
+6    Seattle          15-5      9-11
+3    Phoenix          14-6     11-9
+1    Atlanta           9-9      8-10
+1    Chicago           7-12     6-13
+1    Dallas           10-8      9-9
+1    Washington       12-7     11-8
-1    Connecticut      10-9     11-8
-2    Los Angeles      12-8     14-6
-5    Indiana           2-17     7-12
-5    New York          5-14    10-9
-6    Minnesota        11-8     17-2


Seems minny & New york along with cellar dwellar Indy have had the biggest impacts this season.



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+7    Las Vegas        10-13     3-20
+6    Seattle          16-6     10-12
+2    Atlanta          12-9     10-11
+2    Dallas           12-9     10-11
+2    Phoenix          15-8     13-10
 0    Washington       13-9     13-9
-1    Chicago           7-15     8-14
-1    Connecticut      12-10    13-9
-3    Los Angeles      14-9     17-6
-4    New York          7-14    11-10
-6    Indiana           2-20     8-14
-8    Minnesota        12-10    20-2



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+8    Las Vegas        12-13     4-21
+8    Seattle          18-7     10-15
+5    Atlanta          15-9     10-14
+3    Dallas           14-11    11-14
+2    Phoenix          15-10    13-12
 0    Washington       14-10    14-10
-1    Chicago           8-17     9-16
-3    Connecticut      13-12    16-9
-3    Los Angeles      15-10    18-7
-5    Indiana           3-22     8-17
-5    New York          7-17    12-12
-7    Minnesota        14-10    21-3



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+9    Seattle          19-7     10-16
+8    Las Vegas        12-13     4-21
+6    Atlanta          16-9     10-15
+3    Dallas           14-11    11-14
+1    Phoenix          15-11    14-12
-1    Chicago           9-17    10-16
-1    Washington       14-11    15-10
-3    Connecticut      14-12    17-9
-4    Los Angeles      15-11    19-7
-6    Indiana           3-23     9-17
-6    Minnesota        15-10    21-4
-6    New York          7-18    13-12



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Collen+Angel=+6



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I think people tend to forget how bad the San Antonio Stars were last year.



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Randy wrote:
Collen + Angel = +6


Hughes + Howard = +9
Laimbeer + Wilson = +8
Williams + Cambage + Stevens = +3; What’s the value of Williams?
Brondello + January - Robinson + Bonner + (1/2)Lyttle = +1; Value of Brondello?
Stocks + DeShields + Williams + Coates + (1/2)Faulkner = -1; Stocks market is down this year
Thibault - Meesseman + Sanders + Atkins = -1; Usual meh from Thibault
Miller + Ogwumike - (1/2)Thomas = -3; Value of Miller is reaching sub-basement levels. May have to consider further excavation.
Agler + (1/2)Pondexter + (1/2)Vadeeva - (1/2)Beard - (1/2)Ogwumike = -4
Reeve - Howard - Pierson - Montgomery - Perkins + Robinson + Wright + Zandalasini = -6
Math says Reeve’s value as a first time GM really sucks
Smith - Raintree + Coleman + (1/2)Boyd - (1/2)Prince - (1/2)Zellous + Nurse - (9/10)Arena = -6; The addition of a Nurse to this MASH unit wasn’t enough to stop the bleeding
Pokey - Larkins - Coleman - January + Mitchell + Vivians = -6



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The top three in + all have new coaches ...

The bottom three include aging and uninterested (much of the time) Minnesota, a new coach and a coach that has less than a sterling reputation.

Coaching does matter as long as there is talent to work with ...



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Shades wrote:

Williams + Cambage + Stevens = +3; What’s the value of Williams?
Brondello + January - Robinson + Bonner + (1/2)Lyttle = +1; Value of Brondello?



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Miller + Ogwumike - (1/2)Thomas = -3; Value of Miller is reaching sub-basement levels. May have to consider further excavation.

Maybe they'll win in the playoffs this year, or maybe not.

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Reeve - Howard - Pierson - Montgomery - Perkins + Robinson + Wright + Zandalasini = -6
Math says Reeve’s value as a first time GM really sucks


Reeve was probably stupid like me and assumed Maya Moore would be an MVP-caliber player this year, and not that Maya needed Perkins, Montgomery, Howard, and Pierson to make her look good, since Maya is worth at least -2 or -3 wins this year versus prior years. Or Reeve isn't a great coach, since players become "better" when they leave the Lynx, and players like Maya become "mediocre" instead when they stay on the Lynx, because it is embarrassing knowing that Howard is statistically better than Maya Moore this season, making it look like the Lynx should've traded Maya Moore instead, though then Maya would probably average 25 ppg, 9 rpg, 7 apg, & 4 spg, while Howard would still average 10 mpg on the Lynx playing behind whatever mediocre veteran they signed to replace Pierson (originally Kizer). Though in theory, Reeve should've not kept Brunson, but that would've never happened because of "feelings".




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Shades wrote:
Randy wrote:
Collen + Angel = +6


Hughes + Howard = +9
Laimbeer + Wilson = +8
Williams + Cambage + Stevens = +3; What’s the value of Williams?
Brondello + January - Robinson + Bonner + (1/2)Lyttle = +1; Value of Brondello?
Stocks + DeShields + Williams + Coates + (1/2)Faulkner = -1; Stocks market is down this year
Thibault - Meesseman + Sanders + Atkins = -1; Usual meh from Thibault
Miller + Ogwumike - (1/2)Thomas = -3; Value of Miller is reaching sub-basement levels. May have to consider further excavation.
Agler + (1/2)Pondexter + (1/2)Vadeeva - (1/2)Beard - (1/2)Ogwumike = -4
Reeve - Howard - Pierson - Montgomery - Perkins + Robinson + Wright + Zandalasini = -6
Math says Reeve’s value as a first time GM really sucks
Smith - Raintree + Coleman + (1/2)Boyd - (1/2)Prince - (1/2)Zellous + Nurse - (9/10)Arena = -6; The addition of a Nurse to this MASH unit wasn’t enough to stop the bleeding
Pokey - Larkins - Coleman - January + Mitchell + Vivians = -6


Hughes + Howard + Canada + Paris - Swords - Takashiki - Peterson = +9
Laimbeer + Wilson + Young + Park + Swords + Bone + Allen - Harrison - Holmes - Colson - Montgomery - Alexander - Burdick = +8


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Yeah, I was trying keep things cleaner by not including marginal value entities other than the coaches.



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Plus, Laimbeer was the guy making the roster moves, so he gets credit for most personnel changes except Wilson. (Anybody smarter than a rock knew to draft Wilson.)



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PostPosted: 07/30/18 1:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Let's all remember that Indiana was bad last year, and is now much, much worse. Some of that might be intentional, though does anyone really think the likes of the January and Larkins we see this year would make much of a difference? Pokey has somehow managed to make a bad team look like it will challenge for the least or second least number of wins in WNBA history. the rookies look worse than when the season started? The signing of Cappie is ludicrous.

What else does a coach have to do to get fired?


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PostPosted: 07/30/18 1:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PUmatty wrote:
Let's all remember that Indiana was bad last year, and is now much, much worse. Some of that might be intentional, though does anyone really think the likes of the January and Larkins we see this year would make much of a difference? Pokey has somehow managed to make a bad team look like it will challenge for the least or second least number of wins in WNBA history. the rookies look worse than when the season started? The signing of Cappie is ludicrous.

What else does a coach have to do to get fired?


Pokey has a history of going the extra mile in that regard



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PostPosted: 07/30/18 2:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Randy wrote:
Collen + Angel = +6


Hughes + Howard = +9
Laimbeer + Wilson = +8
Williams + Cambage + Stevens = +3; What’s the value of Williams?
Brondello + January - Robinson + Bonner + (1/2)Lyttle = +1; Value of Brondello?
Stocks + DeShields + Williams + Coates + (1/2)Faulkner = -1; Stocks market is down this year
Thibault - Meesseman + Sanders + Atkins = -1; Usual meh from Thibault
Miller + Ogwumike - (1/2)Thomas = -3; Value of Miller is reaching sub-basement levels. May have to consider further excavation.
Agler + (1/2)Pondexter + (1/2)Vadeeva - (1/2)Beard - (1/2)Ogwumike = -4
Reeve - Howard - Pierson - Montgomery - Perkins + Robinson + Wright + Zandalasini = -6
Math says Reeve’s value as a first time GM really sucks
Smith - Raintree + Coleman + (1/2)Boyd - (1/2)Prince - (1/2)Zellous + Nurse - (9/10)Arena = -6; The addition of a Nurse to this MASH unit wasn’t enough to stop the bleeding
Pokey - Larkins - Coleman - January + Mitchell + Vivians = -6

Meh from Thibault? Because his record is 1 game worse after replacing 2 borderline all-star players with a roleplayer and a mid-1st round rookie?


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PostPosted: 07/30/18 4:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Yeah, I was trying keep things cleaner by not including marginal value entities other than the coaches.


Some might be marginal, but Tamara Young is playing 26.9 mpg in place of Alex Montgomery who is pretty far down the Chicago bench this year (6.4 mpg in 19 games).

Colson (11.6 mpg) and Holmes (11.3 mpg) combined for 22.9 mpg in 2017 but couldn't make a WNBA roster this year. Kayla Alexander was 15.4 mpg in 2017, but this year is 9.0 mpg on the worst team.


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PostPosted: 08/06/18 7:20 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Code:
+-    Team              TY       LY
+9    Seattle          21-7     12-16
+8    Atlanta          18-10    10-18
+6    Las Vegas        12-15     6-21
+1    Dallas           14-14    13-15
+1    Phoenix          16-13    15-14
 0    Washington       16-11    16-11
-1    Chicago          10-18    11-17
-2    Connecticut      16-12    18-10
-3    Los Angeles      17-11    20-8
-4    Indiana           5-23     9-19
-7    Minnesota        15-13    22-6
-8    New York          7-20    15-12



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PostPosted: 08/13/18 6:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Code:
+-    Team              TY       LY
+10   Atlanta          22-10    12-20
+10   Seattle          24-8     14-18
+6    Las Vegas        13-18     7-24
+3    Washington       20-11    17-14
+2    Phoenix          18-14    16-16
 0    Dallas           14-17    14-17
-1    Chicago          11-20    12-19
-2    Connecticut      18-13    20-11
-4    Indiana           5-26     9-22
-5    Los Angeles      18-13    23-8
-7    Minnesota        17-14    24-7
-11   New York          7-23    18-12



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