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Who will win this game?
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PostPosted: 06/08/18 8:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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My prediction-Skylar Diggins-Smith will win as many WNBA titles as she did NCAA championships if Fred Williams allows her to be a gunner.

There are scoring PG’s and then there is Diggins. How on earth does 6’8” Liz Cambage only have 10 attempts against one of the worst frontcourts in WNBA history and SDS has taken 19 shots? And Diggins has taken more FT’s than her as well.

People that want her to be the Olympic PG need their head examined.


What, a UConn fan who doesn't like Diggins? What were the odds?



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PostPosted: 06/08/18 8:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A win is a win...but i'm still not sold on Coach Williams.

Skylar with 12 rebounds...The Fever starting backcourt with a total of 1 Laughing

Skylar better be on the MVP list next week.


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Will they still have Dupree? Possibly. Does it matter?

Good lord no. She gets her numbers; she doesn't help you win ball games.


I think Dupree gets herself out of Indiana this offseason.

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Diggins-Smith 35 pts 12 Rebs 6 Assists...What do you have to say about this line Michelle? Laughing



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PostPosted: 06/08/18 8:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
According to Twitter, Dupree is out with a knee injury.

https://twitter.com/IndianaFever/status/1005088766808215553


Wings by 15.


I had us by 15 even with her in the line up Laughing Laughing



I was initially going to say "Dallas by 25" Laughing Laughing ....But I'm trying to give Dallas/Coach Williams some room for error.


In that case Dallas by 5 would be much safer Laughing

Right you are!


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Wait a second: Indiana led by two, with forty-nine seconds to go, and lost by six? Tamika Catching must be rolling over in her grave...

I hadn't heard of her passing... Smile


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PostPosted: 06/08/18 9:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Same old same old. Diggins runs and guns, the ball's not shared, the other players stand and wait to shoot jump shots.

Ready Freddie just lets Diggins do whatever she wants to. He has not a hair on his ass.

Fred! Get the Hell out! Dallas needs and deserves a real coach, one that takes control of the game and the players. You're in over your head. You have too many good players and do not know what to do with them.

Please, GTF out!


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PostPosted: 06/08/18 9:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Silky Johnson wrote:
Wait a second: Indiana led by two, with forty-nine seconds to go, and lost by six? Tamika Catching must be rolling over in her grave...

I hadn't heard of her passing... :)


Hah! What I like about that joke is that it's usually a good indicator of who doesn't follow men's basketball. Like, I don't know how anybody could watch the NBA and not be familiar with Charles Barkley's "rolling over in their grave" bit.



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Silky Johnson wrote:
Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Silky Johnson wrote:
Wait a second: Indiana led by two, with forty-nine seconds to go, and lost by six? Tamika Catching must be rolling over in her grave...

I hadn't heard of her passing... Smile


Hah! What I like about that joke is that it's usually a good indicator of who doesn't follow men's basketball. Like, I don't know how anybody could watch the NBA and not be familiar with Charles Barkley's "rolling over in their grave" bit.

Guilty as charged. I watch a little NBA, but mostly NCAAW and WNBA.


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PostPosted: 06/09/18 12:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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My prediction-Skylar Diggins-Smith will win as many WNBA titles as she did NCAA championships if Fred Williams allows her to be a gunner.

There are scoring PG’s and then there is Diggins. How on earth does 6’8” Liz Cambage only have 10 attempts against one of the worst frontcourts in WNBA history and SDS has taken 19 shots? And Diggins has taken more FT’s than her as well.

People that want her to be the Olympic PG need their head examined.

Did you watch the game? There were triple teams and a lot of “aggressive” defense on Liz. Someone else has to score. She had 6 assists as well. The rest of the team needs to find a way to move, screen, pass and cut.

>40% shooting for a non-post is pretty good. Becomes excellent if you add in 14-16 shooting. (Not to mention assists) but if you’re scoring at that clip then you keep on shooting at that pace. My c/o as a Sky fan watching there terrible offense years ago was if a player is shooting over 50%, then they aren’t shooting enough.


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PostPosted: 06/09/18 4:42 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
Diggins-Smith 35 pts 12 Rebs 6 Assists...What do you have to say about this line Michelle? Laughing


Crazy good numbers is what i have to say about that.

Havent watched the game but judging by peoples comments is that they played pretty bad despite her great numbers and that there was hardly any offensive flow. But that is mainly the coach fault but also a bit of the PG.

I still think that Dallas will be harder to beat if Cambage is the number 1 scoring option and Diggins 2nd. But Fred needs to fix his offensive sets to get Cambage the ball. Its too predictable now like the Sky did with Fowles in the past..



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PostPosted: 06/09/18 6:32 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Skylar's point totals in Dallas wins: 25, 24, 27, 35
Skylar's point totals in Dallas losses: 18, 12, 20

Gee, I wonder why she's looking to score. Oh and she's 3rd in APG in addition to being 2nd in PPG. That's certainly something to complain about Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 06/09/18 7:00 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SDS is playing out of her mind, yes, but she's also taking some questionable shots that may turn into more productive stuff had they been played balls (to Liz or whoever) instead of crappy bricks.


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PostPosted: 06/09/18 7:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

yes she's putting up crazy numbers, but she played almost the entire game. that can't continue to happen.



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Aladyyn wrote:
Skylar's point totals in Dallas wins: 25, 24, 27, 35
Skylar's point totals in Dallas losses: 18, 12, 20

Gee, I wonder why she's looking to score. Oh and she's 3rd in APG in addition to being 2nd in PPG. That's certainly something to complain about Rolling Eyes


Unpopular opinion time: Skylar gets a lot of hate from wnba fans and this board is no exception. Win or lose they always find some way to criticize her. This game is a perfect example of that. She led her team in scoring, steals, assists, and REBOUNDS (she's literally the smallest person on her team!!). And yet, people are bitching about how she's a gunner and whatever else. If someone like Bird or Whalen could even come close to putting up Skylar's numbers, this board would be setting off fireworks.


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They just hate her because she is beautiful.
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PostPosted: 06/09/18 8:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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WNBA 09 wrote:
Diggins-Smith 35 pts 12 Rebs 6 Assists...What do you have to say about this line Michelle? Laughing


Crazy good numbers is what i have to say about that.

Havent watched the game but judging by peoples comments is that they played pretty bad despite her great numbers and that there was hardly any offensive flow. But that is mainly the coach fault but also a bit of the PG.

I still think that Dallas will be harder to beat if Cambage is the number 1 scoring option and Diggins 2nd. But Fred needs to fix his offensive sets to get Cambage the ball. Its too predictable now like the Sky did with Fowles in the past..


I do agree Cambage will determine how far we go this season . Fred , i have no words for that guy i have not had my coffee yet so i will wait on that rant.
Cambage as large of a woman is actually very finesse and can move around from the high post to the low block . I would like to see more action being ran in the high low game as well. Gray played pretty well last night that was helpful , and the return of Glory & Ariel last night also makes me want to relax and wait for them to gel a bit more , but geez these 7 games have been hard to watch . Skylar & Liz have been our saving grace .



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FemmeFatale wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Skylar's point totals in Dallas wins: 25, 24, 27, 35
Skylar's point totals in Dallas losses: 18, 12, 20

Gee, I wonder why she's looking to score. Oh and she's 3rd in APG in addition to being 2nd in PPG. That's certainly something to complain about Rolling Eyes


Unpopular opinion time: Skylar gets a lot of hate from wnba fans and this board is no exception. Win or lose they always find some way to criticize her. This game is a perfect example of that. She led her team in scoring, steals, assists, and REBOUNDS (she's literally the smallest person on her team!!). And yet, people are bitching about how she's a gunner and whatever else. If someone like Bird or Whalen could even come close to putting up Skylar's numbers, this board would be setting off fireworks.


Laughing


Someone else has noticed Shocked Razz



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Randy wrote:
They just hate her because she is beautiful.
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Whoop & In that Order !



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Aladyyn wrote:
Skylar's point totals in Dallas wins: 25, 24, 27, 35
Skylar's point totals in Dallas losses: 18, 12, 20

Gee, I wonder why she's looking to score. Oh and she's 3rd in APG in addition to being 2nd in PPG. That's certainly something to complain about



Other correlations

Diggins shooting percentages in wins
57.1, 33.3, 62.5, 45.5
Diggins shooting percentages in losses
31.6, 26.7, 37.5
I wonder why she’s looking to take better shots

Diggins FTA in wins
6, 13, 7, 16
Diggins FTA in losses
6, 0, 4
I wonder why she’s looking to get to the FT line more

Diggins steals + blocks in wins
2, 3, 4, 3
Diggins steals + blocks in losses
1, 1, 1
I wonder why she’s looking to get more steals & blocks

Diggins rebounds in wins
5, 5, 5, 12
Diggins rebounds in losses
6, 0, 1
I wonder why she’s looking to get more rebounds

Dallas record at home
2-0
Dallas record on the road
2-3
I wonder why she’s looking to play at home

Dallas record in June
2-0
Dallas record in May
2-3
I wonder why she’s looking to play in June



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I think people here just dont want her to be the Best PG in the league in which she is at this moment . Im not sure what she's done to some of these posters here but she still gets no respect from some rebbies !



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WNBA 09 wrote:
I think people here just dont want her to be the Best PG in the league in which she is at this moment . Im not sure what she's done to some of these posters here but she still gets no respect from some rebbies !


I’m with some of the commentators here that some posters on here hate her for no reason. I always see complaints about her displaying her femininity. I truly believe that’s why some posters dislike her and find a lame excuse to drag her through the mud. Skylar is the leader of the Wings. Her stats show she is doing her job. She said so herself that she would have to knock down open shots because she knew that Liz was going to get double teamed. Hopefully her teammates can get going consistently too.


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Same old same old. Diggins runs and guns, the ball's not shared, the other players stand and wait to shoot jump shots.

Ready Freddie just lets Diggins do whatever she wants to. He has not a hair on his ass.

Fred! Get the Hell out! Dallas needs and deserves a real coach, one that takes control of the game and the players. You're in over your head. You have too many good players and do not know what to do with them.

Please, GTF out!


This is interesting. I’m watching the game from last night and the first thing that Skylar did was throw Cambage the ball in the high post each time down? Can you explain how she’s doing what she wants and is not giving Cambage the ball again?


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Haters gonna hate ...

They gonna hate

Taurasi
Griner
EDD
Skylar

and so on.

But if you don't have villains, you don't have heroes ...



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ClayK wrote:
Haters gonna hate ...

They gonna hate

Taurasi
Griner
EDD
Skylar

and so on.

But if you don't have villains, you don't have heroes ...



You can add Parker to this list as well and one for the all time lists, La Leslie. I can’t speak for anyone else, so I’ll add that I love a good villain. As much as I appreciate Catchings, Moore, Bird, etc .. I can also appreciate the players named above.


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WNBA 09 wrote:
I think people here just dont want her to be the Best PG in the league in which she is at this moment . Im not sure what she's done to some of these posters here but she still gets no respect from some rebbies !


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Right now she and C Gray are 1 and 2.


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FemmeFatale wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Skylar's point totals in Dallas wins: 25, 24, 27, 35
Skylar's point totals in Dallas losses: 18, 12, 20

Gee, I wonder why she's looking to score. Oh and she's 3rd in APG in addition to being 2nd in PPG. That's certainly something to complain about Rolling Eyes


Unpopular opinion time: Skylar gets a lot of hate from wnba fans and this board is no exception. Win or lose they always find some way to criticize her. This game is a perfect example of that. She led her team in scoring, steals, assists, and REBOUNDS (she's literally the smallest person on her team!!). And yet, people are bitching about how she's a gunner and whatever else. If someone like Bird or Whalen could even come close to putting up Skylar's numbers, this board would be setting off fireworks.


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Bird and Whalen have a history of winning. Obviously, the teams you're on have a huge influence on that, but in five WNBA seasons Diggins has one record above .500, two playoff visits, and zero postseason wins. Outside of Notre Dame, she hasn't won a damn thing. You want the populous to be more celebratory and fawning - have all the numbers get you somewhere.



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Richyyy wrote:
FemmeFatale wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Skylar's point totals in Dallas wins: 25, 24, 27, 35
Skylar's point totals in Dallas losses: 18, 12, 20

Gee, I wonder why she's looking to score. Oh and she's 3rd in APG in addition to being 2nd in PPG. That's certainly something to complain about Rolling Eyes


Unpopular opinion time: Skylar gets a lot of hate from wnba fans and this board is no exception. Win or lose they always find some way to criticize her. This game is a perfect example of that. She led her team in scoring, steals, assists, and REBOUNDS (she's literally the smallest person on her team!!). And yet, people are bitching about how she's a gunner and whatever else. If someone like Bird or Whalen could even come close to putting up Skylar's numbers, this board would be setting off fireworks.


Laughing

Bird and Whalen have a history of winning. Obviously, the teams you're on have a huge influence on that, but in five WNBA seasons Diggins has one record above .500, two playoff visits, and zero postseason wins. Outside of Notre Dame, she hasn't won a damn thing. You want the populous to be more celebratory and fawning - have all the numbers get you somewhere.

Unlike Bird and Whalen, Diggins has been by far the best player on her team's until this season. And even then Cambage is no LJ.


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Richyyy wrote:
Bird and Whalen have a history of winning. Obviously, the teams you're on have a huge influence on that, but in five WNBA seasons Diggins has one record above .500, two playoff visits, and zero postseason wins. Outside of Notre Dame, she hasn't won a damn thing. You want the populous to be more celebratory and fawning - have all the numbers get you somewhere.


To be fair, Diggins got drafted by a terrible team, not a team coming off a winning season, like Whalen and Connecticut, or didn't get to grow playing every year with a sidekick on the level of Lauren Jackson (unless Cambage becomes that, who Diggins only played with as a rookie).
Also, in 2015 the Shock were 8-1 with Diggins (several of those games with Sims out with injury), which may have been unsustainable anyways, but without Diggins due to her ACL injury, Tulsa limped 10-15 the rest of the way.


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Richyyy wrote:
FemmeFatale wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Skylar's point totals in Dallas wins: 25, 24, 27, 35
Skylar's point totals in Dallas losses: 18, 12, 20

Gee, I wonder why she's looking to score. Oh and she's 3rd in APG in addition to being 2nd in PPG. That's certainly something to complain about Rolling Eyes


Unpopular opinion time: Skylar gets a lot of hate from wnba fans and this board is no exception. Win or lose they always find some way to criticize her. This game is a perfect example of that. She led her team in scoring, steals, assists, and REBOUNDS (she's literally the smallest person on her team!!). And yet, people are bitching about how she's a gunner and whatever else. If someone like Bird or Whalen could even come close to putting up Skylar's numbers, this board would be setting off fireworks.


Laughing

Bird and Whalen have a history of winning. Obviously, the teams you're on have a huge influence on that, but in five WNBA seasons Diggins has one record above .500, two playoff visits, and zero postseason wins. Outside of Notre Dame, she hasn't won a damn thing. You want the populous to be more celebratory and fawning - have all the numbers get you somewhere.


It's not just that. Dawn Staley was (and still is) beloved and she never won anything in the W.



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Richyyy wrote:
FemmeFatale wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Skylar's point totals in Dallas wins: 25, 24, 27, 35
Skylar's point totals in Dallas losses: 18, 12, 20

Gee, I wonder why she's looking to score. Oh and she's 3rd in APG in addition to being 2nd in PPG. That's certainly something to complain about Rolling Eyes


Unpopular opinion time: Skylar gets a lot of hate from wnba fans and this board is no exception. Win or lose they always find some way to criticize her. This game is a perfect example of that. She led her team in scoring, steals, assists, and REBOUNDS (she's literally the smallest person on her team!!). And yet, people are bitching about how she's a gunner and whatever else. If someone like Bird or Whalen could even come close to putting up Skylar's numbers, this board would be setting off fireworks.


Laughing

Bird and Whalen have a history of winning. Obviously, the teams you're on have a huge influence on that, but in five WNBA seasons Diggins has one record above .500, two playoff visits, and zero postseason wins. Outside of Notre Dame, she hasn't won a damn thing. You want the populous to be more celebratory and fawning - have all the numbers get you somewhere.

Five seasons? So you're counting 2015 when she injured her ACL in her 9th game with her team at 8-1? That's pretty harsh. The Wings have been bad and/or young during her tenure. And hasn't Fred been there most of the time? I think Bird and Whalen also had better coaches.


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I agree with above who said Diggins and Grey are the best two PGs in the league, and they both have enough talent that they could both be on the floor at the same time. Would love to see them represent the USA.

I do find the continual fawning over her looks a bit annoying along with the ad featuring her which runs over and over and over, but hopefully it does help to bring in some fans. I'd just like to see a bit more parity in the ad world - if you're going to feature one, then feature 10 of the best. If you can't do close ups of them batting their eyes at the camera, that's ok too. I think a lot of the top women are actually really attractive anyway. Griner has a sweet face, even if you don't think she's so sweet. Parker and Maya are obviously attractive. Lots of others as well. I'd like to see features of some that are great players but aren't so traditionally attractive as well.



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Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
FemmeFatale wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Skylar's point totals in Dallas wins: 25, 24, 27, 35
Skylar's point totals in Dallas losses: 18, 12, 20

Gee, I wonder why she's looking to score. Oh and she's 3rd in APG in addition to being 2nd in PPG. That's certainly something to complain about Rolling Eyes


Unpopular opinion time: Skylar gets a lot of hate from wnba fans and this board is no exception. Win or lose they always find some way to criticize her. This game is a perfect example of that. She led her team in scoring, steals, assists, and REBOUNDS (she's literally the smallest person on her team!!). And yet, people are bitching about how she's a gunner and whatever else. If someone like Bird or Whalen could even come close to putting up Skylar's numbers, this board would be setting off fireworks.


Laughing

Bird and Whalen have a history of winning. Obviously, the teams you're on have a huge influence on that, but in five WNBA seasons Diggins has one record above .500, two playoff visits, and zero postseason wins. Outside of Notre Dame, she hasn't won a damn thing. You want the populous to be more celebratory and fawning - have all the numbers get you somewhere.

Five seasons? So you're counting 2015 when she injured her ACL in her 9th game with her team at 8-1? That's pretty harsh. The Wings have been bad and/or young during her tenure. And hasn't Fred been there most of the time? I think Bird and Whalen also had better coaches.


Seems like Richyyy is part of the I hate Diggins club. Generally, I find his opinions to be informed and well reasoned. I’m a bit shocked. I feel like most people here would have a similar journey to mine. Living in Chicago, I was adamantly opposed to a Diggins coming to the Sky and I booed her when she repeatedly beat the Sky who could not stop anyone on the dribble drive, let alone Diggins who was getting all the calls. I Thought she was a prima Donna and more concerned about her hair and her followers then basketball.

Then we found out we were relocating to Dallas about a week after they announced the Wings were going to a Dallas. Then the Sky I knew blew up and The Wings quickly became my favorite Team. When she’s on your team you love her and the perspective changes.

Aside from the scoring, rebounds, steals, and assists, which should pretty much speak for themselves, she is the unquestionable leader of the Wings. A team with alleged big personalities and minimal head coaching guidance. Despite this, what I’ve visualized at open practices, before games, during games and after games, she has this team with no palpable friction anywhere down the line which speaks volumes of her leadership skills.


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Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
FemmeFatale wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Skylar's point totals in Dallas wins: 25, 24, 27, 35
Skylar's point totals in Dallas losses: 18, 12, 20

Gee, I wonder why she's looking to score. Oh and she's 3rd in APG in addition to being 2nd in PPG. That's certainly something to complain about Rolling Eyes


Unpopular opinion time: Skylar gets a lot of hate from wnba fans and this board is no exception. Win or lose they always find some way to criticize her. This game is a perfect example of that. She led her team in scoring, steals, assists, and REBOUNDS (she's literally the smallest person on her team!!). And yet, people are bitching about how she's a gunner and whatever else. If someone like Bird or Whalen could even come close to putting up Skylar's numbers, this board would be setting off fireworks.


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Bird and Whalen have a history of winning. Obviously, the teams you're on have a huge influence on that, but in five WNBA seasons Diggins has one record above .500, two playoff visits, and zero postseason wins. Outside of Notre Dame, she hasn't won a damn thing. You want the populous to be more celebratory and fawning - have all the numbers get you somewhere.

Five seasons? So you're counting 2015 when she injured her ACL in her 9th game with her team at 8-1? That's pretty harsh. The Wings have been bad and/or young during her tenure. And hasn't Fred been there most of the time? I think Bird and Whalen also had better coaches.


Seems like Richyyy is part of the I hate Diggins club. Generally, I find his opinions to be informed and well reasoned. I’m a bit shocked. I feel like most people here would have a similar journey to mine. Living in Chicago, I was adamantly opposed to a Diggins coming to the Sky and I booed her when she repeatedly beat the Sky who could not stop anyone on the dribble drive, let alone Diggins who was getting all the calls. I Thought she was a prima Donna and more concerned about her hair and her followers then basketball.

Then we found out we were relocating to Dallas about a week after they announced the Wings were going to a Dallas. Then the Sky I knew blew up and The Wings quickly became my favorite Team. When she’s on your team you love her and the perspective changes.

Aside from the scoring, rebounds, steals, and assists, which should pretty much speak for themselves, she is the unquestionable leader of the Wings. A team with alleged big personalities and minimal head coaching guidance. Despite this, what I’ve visualized at open practices, before games, during games and after games, she has this team with no palpable friction anywhere down the line which speaks volumes of her leadership skills.

Nice post generally, but you should revert to your original opinion of Richyy. I have not found him to hate any player, so I think his post was probably misinterpreted a bit. But I'm sure he will clarify his position.

Skylar was a strong leader at Notre Dame. Muffet empowers the team captains to help keep order, and Skylar led by words and actions. She also showed no fear against UConn, and the team has maintained that 'no fear' attitude since then. While it hasn't led to too many victories since she left the Irish, that attitude may have helped them this season in the Final Four. Most teams have lost to UConn before they step out on the floor, but Notre Dame always believes they have a real chance, thanks to Muffet and also Skylar.


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PostPosted: 06/09/18 7:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't hate Diggins at all, although I admit I don't find her particularly likable either. Aesthetically, on the court, I prefer the style of someone like Loyd as a scorer, or Vandersloot as a point guard among the newer generation. Off the court I don't really care what she does, but I think the general women's basketball fan not being that fond of her is partly a continuing backlash. She's always had this cadre of fans who adored her, whether she deserved it or not. And when there's a group of people who want to drink her bathwater you can end up reflexively on the other side pointing out why she's not actually quite that good.

I mean, if you want to be picky and go a little beyond the raw counting stats, she's essentially had two good seasons in the WNBA - 2014 and 2017. She was rubbish as a rookie in 2013, hurt early in 2015, and thoroughly ordinary while still somewhat coming back from injury in 2016. And yet some people want to anoint her as practically the female Jordan. You can surely see why some of us might not completely adore her without dismissing us as just h8rs.



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PostPosted: 06/09/18 10:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
I don't hate Diggins at all, although I admit I don't find her particularly likable either. Aesthetically, on the court, I prefer the style of someone like Loyd as a scorer, or Vandersloot as a point guard among the newer generation. Off the court I don't really care what she does, but I think the general women's basketball fan not being that fond of her is partly a continuing backlash. She's always had this cadre of fans who adored her, whether she deserved it or not. And when there's a group of people who want to drink her bathwater you can end up reflexively on the other side pointing out why she's not actually quite that good.

I mean, if you want to be picky and go a little beyond the raw counting stats, she's essentially had two good seasons in the WNBA - 2014 and 2017. She was rubbish as a rookie in 2013, hurt early in 2015, and thoroughly ordinary while still somewhat coming back from injury in 2016. And yet some people want to anoint her as practically the female Jordan. You can surely see why some of us might not completely adore her without dismissing us as just h8rs.


I call bull shit. Post still seems riddled with ire. Own your loathing. Having trouble as a rookie happens to a lot of players. Working hard for a standout sophomore campaign should be lauded rather than dismissed as a lucky one of 2 year’s of success. Then you rely on a season with an ACL tear and recovery Year as evidence of her rubbish years, which seems pretty stiff judgment even for someone who just “doesn’t completely adore her.” Then you subversively call her appeal to the masses of buffoons reviling without actually owning it as your own. This at a time when women ballers aren’t paid nearly what their male counterparts are. So you are essentially faulting her for marketing to her fans to insure financial security in the long term. This seems to be less along the lines of irritated W fan and more along the line of h8r. Own it, It’s your opinion.


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PostPosted: 06/09/18 10:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Alternatively, I could just own the words I've actually stated. Yeah, I'll go with that.



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Richyyy wrote:
Alternatively, I could just own the words I've actually stated. Yeah, I'll go with that.


As you should. And as I said initially, I respect almost all your posts and will continue to do so. Do not want to create an issue


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PostPosted: 06/09/18 11:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
I don't hate Diggins at all, although I admit I don't find her particularly likable either. Aesthetically, on the court, I prefer the style of someone like Loyd as a scorer, or Vandersloot as a point guard among the newer generation. Off the court I don't really care what she does, but I think the general women's basketball fan not being that fond of her is partly a continuing backlash. She's always had this cadre of fans who adored her, whether she deserved it or not. And when there's a group of people who want to drink her bathwater you can end up reflexively on the other side pointing out why she's not actually quite that good.

I mean, if you want to be picky and go a little beyond the raw counting stats, she's essentially had two good seasons in the WNBA - 2014 and 2017. She was rubbish as a rookie in 2013, hurt early in 2015, and thoroughly ordinary while still somewhat coming back from injury in 2016. And yet some people want to anoint her as practically the female Jordan. You can surely see why some of us might not completely adore her without dismissing us as just h8rs.

So what you are saying is that she has had only 2 bad seasons: her rookie season, which was very disapppointing, and the year she was returning from an ACL injury. Let's examine her PER over her career:

2013: 9.8 Rookie season. Very disappointing, no argument.
2014: 21.3 Had a great year and won MIP in the WNBA. Also first team all-WNBA
2015: 24.9 Was playing very, very well and had her team at 8-1 when she had a season-ending ACL injury. Despite the return of Odyssey Sims, the Shock went 10-15 over the remaining schedule to finish 18-16.
2016: 13.9 Her recovery year from her ACL injury. Not a good year.
2017: 21.3 A great year: First team WNBA for the second time.
2018: 21.7 A great start to this year. This PER does not even include her great game yesterday where she scored a career high 35 points with 12 rebounds and 6 assists.

So what's not to like? Skylar appears to be heading off to another great season. She is third in assists per game, second in scoring, 9th in blocks, and 9th in FT%. She finally has another star on the team and we'll see how the team does this season.


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