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Who will be the MVP at the end of the WNBA season?
Bonner
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
Cambage
6%
 6%  [ 3 ]
Charles
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
Delle Donne
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Diggins-Smith
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Fowles
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
C Gray
26%
 26%  [ 12 ]
Griner
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
Hayes
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Loyd
6%
 6%  [ 3 ]
McCoughtry
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
K Mitchell
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
Moore
6%
 6%  [ 3 ]
Nurse
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
N Ogwumike
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
Quigley
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
Sims
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Stewart
23%
 23%  [ 11 ]
Taurasi
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
Wilson
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: 06/04/18 6:14 pm    ::: Extended Choices MVP Poll Reply Reply with quote

Pilight’s MVP poll is obviously more about testing (and never tweeking) his quirky algorithm instead of giving us a useful survey. How useful is having most of the respondents choosing “other” and we can’t even see a breakdown of the other?

This is the Extended Choices MVP Poll. I’m sure there will be a few who still won’t be happy because their favorite player doesn’t fit the liberal criteria and that I’m not including the “other” option. The only criteria of the poll is being in the Top 20 in scoring and not missing over 8 games.

Delle Donne has already missed 4 games and looks to be iffy for the near future. She’s probably not the best use of your vote, but you have her as an option if you’re confident she can turn things around.

Mad because Parker isn’t a choice? She’s not in the Top 20 in scoring and she’s only played two games. Maybe she’ll work her way into a poll at a later time.

There’s never been a MVP from a team with a losing record, so that’s probably a good long term criteria, but at this point there’s plenty of time for any team to finish above 0.500. This poll is about projecting who will be the MVP at the end of the regular season... not who is the MVP if the season ended today.

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By "people" we mean "Shades". It's a subjective list.



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oh "Shades".....



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By "people" we mean "Shades". It's a subjective list.


Laughing Laughing I was about say why is there "ANOTHER" Mvp poll Question



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PostPosted: 06/04/18 8:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
By "people" we mean "Shades". It's a subjective list.


I looked back at what I called it last year, and changed the title to that.


I noticed in previous MVP conversations that allowing a player to miss 8 games is way too generous. In the last decade+, the most games a player has missed in their MVP season is 3. That would already rule out a bunch of players like Delle Donne, McBride, Plum, Vandersloot, and whoever else.

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PostPosted: 06/04/18 9:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
By "people" we mean "Shades". It's a subjective list.


I looked back at what I called it last year, and changed the title to that.


I noticed in previous MVP conversations that allowing a player to miss 8 games is way too generous. In the last decade+, the most games a player has missed in their MVP season is 3. That would already rule out a bunch of players like Delle Donne, McBride, Plum, Parker, Vandersloot, and whoever else.

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Parker is exempt dont bring her into this Laughing



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PostPosted: 06/04/18 9:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Even with the extended list there is no room for Parker. So that is my pick, Cheyenne Parker.


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This poll is about projecting who will be the MVP at the end of the regular season... not who is the MVP if the season ended today.

So in your opinion, Hayes & Mitchell are more likely to win MVP than Candace Parker?
You're fine with assuming that Wilson could be on a winning team, yet it's not likely that Parker will finish a top 20 scorer?



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PostPosted: 06/04/18 11:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Luuuc wrote:
Shades wrote:
This poll is about projecting who will be the MVP at the end of the regular season... not who is the MVP if the season ended today.

So in your opinion, Hayes & Mitchell are more likely to win MVP than Candace Parker?
You're fine with assuming that Wilson could be on a winning team, yet it's not likely that Parker will finish a top 20 scorer?


Not a million light years! But this question is for shades and im anxious to hear this rebuttal Laughing



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PostPosted: 06/06/18 3:47 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm just going to say I think Ogwumike is a better candidate than Gray and don't understand why she has 0 votes while Gray gets 11...


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I'm just going to say I think Ogwumike is a better candidate than Gray and don't understand why she has 0 votes while Gray gets 11...


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Shades wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
I'm just going to say I think Ogwumike is a better candidate than Gray and don't understand why she has 0 votes while Gray gets 11...


Make your case!

Alright, some points to consider.

1) Nneka has had to carry basically the whole Sparks frontcourt by herself for the first few games of the season and the Sparks barely missed a beat on both sides of the floor.

2) Nneka is the Sparks' leading scorer on insane efficiency while being effectively the third option.

3) Nneka has way more defensive impact than Gray.

18.6 points, 7 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 2 steals, 68.9% TS
17.8 points, 3.8 rebounds, 7 assists, 1.8 steals, 59.4% TS
These players play on the same team and one is currently the consensus MVP while the other gets no consideration? That just seems wrong to me. Not that I think either should be MVP because Jewell Loyd still hasn't fallen off enough.

Oh and since the question in this poll is "who will be the MVP by the end of the season" are we really expecting Gray to keep up her numbers (especially assists) as Parker starts playing more and running the team again?


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PostPosted: 06/06/18 4:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If I made these polls, I would have it be Who is the MVP of the League as of Now. Twisted Evil


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I think a lot of people voted for Gray because she is putting up numbers that havent been done yet by any PG and she is leading that Sparks team.
Often people choose 1 player on a team that is probably why Nneka is getting overlooked.

I dont think Loyd can continue her great great play throughout the whole season. Stewie on the other hand looks like she can put in another gear so my vote goes to her



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Hmmm a little surprised Griner hasn't even a single vote.


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chapulana wrote:
Hmmm a little surprised Griner hasn't even a single vote.


When she grabs a single rebound then ill consider.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
chapulana wrote:
Hmmm a little surprised Griner hasn't even a single vote.


When she grabs a single rebound then ill consider.


Well as WIlt used to say "Nobody roots for Goliath". Of course they shouldn't - Goliath was a Philistine.


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I voted for Nneka without first reading what people were saying just because she was amazing holding down the fort in those first games as the lone post. And was surprised to find mine the first vote. (and admittedly maybe my Stanford bias is showing as well but I don't think anyone else has yet eclipsed that showing)



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chapulana wrote:
Hmmm a little surprised Griner hasn't even a single vote.


She's just kind of cruising and not performing up to the level she could. More effort and yeah, more rebounding would bring her up in the voting, but right now she's at least 5th down on my list.



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myrtle wrote:
chapulana wrote:
Hmmm a little surprised Griner hasn't even a single vote.


She's just kind of cruising and not performing up to the level she could. More effort and yeah, more rebounding would bring her up in the voting, but right now she's at least 5th down on my list.


I think people don’t understand or appreciate Griner’s style of defense that doesn’t always result in rebounds for her. She’s patrolling the whole inner circle to discourage entry into the paint and even three point shooting. She’s usually not camped out at the basket.

Now even though camper Cambage has more rebounds than Griner and slightly more bpg, Dallas gives up plenty of points in the paint. That’s why I always bet on post players doing well against Dallas. Remember Fowles WNBA record breaking performance against Dallas?



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Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:
chapulana wrote:
Hmmm a little surprised Griner hasn't even a single vote.


She's just kind of cruising and not performing up to the level she could. More effort and yeah, more rebounding would bring her up in the voting, but right now she's at least 5th down on my list.


I think people don’t understand or appreciate Griner’s style of defense that doesn’t always result in rebounds for her. She’s patrolling the whole inner circle to discourage entry into the paint and even three point shooting. She’s usually not camped out at the basket.

Now even though camper Cambage has more rebounds than Griner and slightly more bpg, Dallas gives up plenty of points in the paint. That’s why I always bet on post players doing well against Dallas. Remember Fowles WNBA record breaking performance against Dallas?


Fowles & Tina Charles are the only ones to dominate in the paint so far this season. And i wont even say DOMINATE because Liz had just as good of a performance herself against both .



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WNBA 09 wrote:
chapulana wrote:
Hmmm a little surprised Griner hasn't even a single vote.


When she grabs a single rebound then ill consider.


she had 9 rebounds against the Lynx.


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Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:
chapulana wrote:
Hmmm a little surprised Griner hasn't even a single vote.


She's just kind of cruising and not performing up to the level she could. More effort and yeah, more rebounding would bring her up in the voting, but right now she's at least 5th down on my list.


I think people don’t understand or appreciate Griner’s style of defense that doesn’t always result in rebounds for her. She’s patrolling the whole inner circle to discourage entry into the paint and even three point shooting. She’s usually not camped out at the basket.

Now even though camper Cambage has more rebounds than Griner and slightly more bpg, Dallas gives up plenty of points in the paint. That’s why I always bet on post players doing well against Dallas. Remember Fowles WNBA record breaking performance against Dallas?

She's still having the worst rebounding numbers of her career though. She's not only underperforming on the boards compared to other 5s, but also compared to her career overall.


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Aladyyn wrote:
Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:
chapulana wrote:
Hmmm a little surprised Griner hasn't even a single vote.


She's just kind of cruising and not performing up to the level she could. More effort and yeah, more rebounding would bring her up in the voting, but right now she's at least 5th down on my list.


I think people don’t understand or appreciate Griner’s style of defense that doesn’t always result in rebounds for her. She’s patrolling the whole inner circle to discourage entry into the paint and even three point shooting. She’s usually not camped out at the basket.

Now even though camper Cambage has more rebounds than Griner and slightly more bpg, Dallas gives up plenty of points in the paint. That’s why I always bet on post players doing well against Dallas. Remember Fowles WNBA record breaking performance against Dallas?

She's still having the worst rebounding numbers of her career though. She's not only underperforming on the boards compared to other 5s, but also compared to her career overall.

The patrolling thing is a copout too IMO. Sure it's a factor, but it still doesn't excuse being out-rebounded by Courtney Williams, who I dare say patrols further from the basket than BG does but still finds a way to contest for rebounds once a shot goes up.



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The patrolling thing is a copout too IMO. Sure it's a factor, but it still doesn't excuse being out-rebounded by Courtney Williams, who I dare say patrols further from the basket than BG does but still finds a way to contest for rebounds once a shot goes up.

And you can just see it. Other true bigs slide over to help or challenge shots, then turn to look for the rebound or box out. Griner often tries to come over and block a shot, and then sort of vaguely looks over her shoulder at where the ball's going while it's in the air. She also - as Ann Meyers often points out before I remember to mute her - leaves her feet too often in her attempts to challenge/block, which is obviously going to make it tougher to turn round and get after the rebound.

All of that said, it's amazing how good Griner is while having these flaws. It kinda reminds me of Candace Parker 5 or 6 years ago, when her defense was just pathetic. She was still incredible, there was just this big hole until Agler got hold of her in LA.



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Luuuc wrote:
The patrolling thing is a copout too IMO. Sure it's a factor, but it still doesn't excuse being out-rebounded by Courtney Williams, who I dare say patrols further from the basket than BG does but still finds a way to contest for rebounds once a shot goes up.

And you can just see it. Other true bigs slide over to help or challenge shots, then turn to look for the rebound or box out. Griner often tries to come over and block a shot, and then sort of vaguely looks over her shoulder at where the ball's going while it's in the air. She also - as Ann Meyers often points out before I remember to mute her - leaves her feet too often in her attempts to challenge/block, which is obviously going to make it tougher to turn round and get after the rebound.

All of that said, it's amazing how good Griner is while having these flaws. It kinda reminds me of Candace Parker 5 or 6 years ago, when her defense was just pathetic. She was still incredible, there was just this big hole until Agler got hold of her in LA.


Rebounding is a skill. Rebounding is something that takes a little bit of natural ability. Assuming that she should be a dominant rebounder is almost disrespectful to smaller players who have mastered that skill. Do I wish she had more rebounds? Yes. Would I take any other big in this league over her? Absolutely not.

I get the argument, I just don’t really understand why it constantly gets blown out of proportion by so many people. Can ANYONE work the post with the finesse that she can? Make your argument. Nobody has that jump hook mastered to her level. I appreciate Griner for what she is, the most dominant offensive center this league may have ever seen. She makes it look easy and gets better every season.

Every player has flaws in their game. Sometimes I feel like we spend a lot of time critiquing that we miss so many once in a lifetime talents. But that is what this board is for so I’m all for the discussion!


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I think rebounding is about intent as much as (if not more than) skill. If you really want that ball as soon as it goes up in the air, and you're 6'9, the skills of jumping and catching shouldn't be too much to ask. The desire to get to the spot in a timely manner and block out, on the other hand, take effort and discipline.
(and yes - every player has flaws. For me, the more frustrating ones to witness all the time are the ones concerning thinking and trying, rather than the ones related to lack of physical attributes or skills)



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I think rebounding is about intent as much as (if not more than) skill. If you really want that ball as soon as it goes up in the air, and you're 6'9, the skills of jumping and catching shouldn't be too much to ask. The desire to get to the spot in a timely manner and block out, on the other hand, take effort and discipline.
(and yes - every player has flaws. For me, the more frustrating ones to witness all the time are the ones concerning thinking and trying, rather than the ones related to lack of physical attributes or skills)


That’s valid and I don’t necessarily disagree for the most part in MOST cases. However, outside of being tall, I don’t really see similarities in the body composition of Griner compared to other top rebounders in this league. She will likely never just all the sudden have that part of her game figured out. I don’t want her to over exert energy trying to become a top rebounder just because. I’ll take the blocks and the scoring titles. But that’s just me.


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Luuuc wrote:
I think rebounding is about intent as much as (if not more than) skill. If you really want that ball as soon as it goes up in the air, and you're 6'9, the skills of jumping and catching shouldn't be too much to ask. The desire to get to the spot in a timely manner and block out, on the other hand, take effort and discipline.
(and yes - every player has flaws. For me, the more frustrating ones to witness all the time are the ones concerning thinking and trying, rather than the ones related to lack of physical attributes or skills)


That’s valid and I don’t necessarily disagree for the most part in MOST cases. However, outside of being tall, I don’t really see similarities in the body composition of Griner compared to other top rebounders in this league. She will likely never just all the sudden have that part of her game figured out. I don’t want her to over exert energy trying to become a top rebounder just because. I’ll take the blocks and the scoring titles. But that’s just me.


To stay on topic though, I went with Bonner (because why not be a homer). If I had a responsibility to fairly vote I would go with Thomas, Stewart or Gray as of today. Alyssa has been super impressive imo.


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Griner is getting the same kind of criticism Margo Dydek used to get. "She's so tall, she should be more dominant." It wasn't fair then and it's not fair now.



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Height isn't the most necessary ingredient for a rebounder. Wes Unself (6-7) and Dennis Rodman (6-Cool were two of the best ever rebounders in the NBA. The best solution for the Merc would be to pair her with a strong rebounding 4. Lyttle may fill the bill since she can still jump and rebound even if her shooting and offense are not what they once were.


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Height isn't the most necessary ingredient for a rebounder. Wes Unself (6-7) and Dennis Rodman (6-Cool were two of the best ever rebounders in the NBA. The best solution for the Merc would be to pair her with a strong rebounding 4. Lyttle may fill the bill since she can still jump and rebound even if her shooting and offense are not what they once were.


Brittney Griner is a bad rebounder for her size, and that is unlikely to change, as it's been true throughout her career.

At some point, coaches (and fans) have to accept players for who they are and what they bring, and adjust expectations accordingly.

A lot of people don't like Griner, and will always pick on her rebounding to downgrade her. (Same with CP3 and defense, EDD with assists, and so on down the line ...)

I'll take Brittney Griner on my team any time because I like to win. You can find players who will work hard at rebounding (Erlana Larkins, anyone?) and knowing who Griner is, it's up to the front office to get the right people around her. It's not like you can get a bunch of scrappy rebounders and then just add a player like Griner -- it needs to be the other way around.



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Griner is getting the same kind of criticism Margo Dydek used to get. "She's so tall, she should be more dominant." It wasn't fair then and it's not fair now.


Griner definitely has not met my expectations of her coming into the league. I had visions of her eventually going up strong to the basket and dunking in traffic at least a couple times a game. Doesn’t look like that’ll ever come to fruition. I just think all this talk about her rebounding is overblown and not very intuitive.



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Height isn't the most necessary ingredient for a rebounder. Wes Unself (6-7) and Dennis Rodman (6-Cool were two of the best ever rebounders in the NBA. The best solution for the Merc would be to pair her with a strong rebounding 4. Lyttle may fill the bill since she can still jump and rebound even if her shooting and offense are not what they once were.


Brittney Griner is a bad rebounder for her size, and that is unlikely to change, as it's been true throughout her career.

At some point, coaches (and fans) have to accept players for who they are and what they bring, and adjust expectations accordingly.

A lot of people don't like Griner, and will always pick on her rebounding to downgrade her. (Same with CP3 and defense, EDD with assists, and so on down the line ...)

I'll take Brittney Griner on my team any time because I like to win. You can find players who will work hard at rebounding (Erlana Larkins, anyone?) and knowing who Griner is, it's up to the front office to get the right people around her. It's not like you can get a bunch of scrappy rebounders and then just add a player like Griner -- it needs to be the other way around.

While there's a lot of hard work and sacrifice that goes into it, a large part of becoming a professional athlete comes down to inherent gifts (god-given, genetic, or however else you want to define them). So inevitably you end up with an element of jealousy from people watching who didn't manage to reach that level. That also means that the main things that draw criticism are things that seem easy to fix. A central part of rebounding is effort, so if Griner worked harder to chase and fight for rebounds, she'd get more; if Parker concentrated more and worked harder, she's be a better defender; if Delle Donne was less greedy for her own numbers, she'd create more for her teammates etc. etc. And these are all things that we as the non-athletically-gifted fans feel we could fix if we were in that situation - we could work harder, fight, concentrate, be unselfish. It makes them easy areas to pick on.

I don't think it's unreasonable to criticise players for things they're bad at, even if they're wildly gifted and successful in other areas. The best players are constantly improving in areas of weakness (as Parker certainly has, for example, albeit it took a hell of a long time). And especially if you're a fan of a specific team, of course you're going to be frustrated when Phoenix can't grab a board despite having probably the tallest/longest lineup in the entire league, or LA give up easy buckets despite all their talent, or the Sky's 6-5 superstar can't find an open teammate when she's quadruple-teamed, or...



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mercfan wrote:

I appreciate Griner for what she is, the most dominant offensive center this league may have ever seen. She makes it look easy and gets better every season.


Oddly enough, where she has really made her mark is defensively.

https://www.google.com/amp/arizonasports.com/story/1543257/blocking-shots-remains-important-part-of-brittney-griners-game/

http://www.wnba.com/video/brittney-griner-2015-defensive-player-of-the-year-highlights/

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/7hQ-H2AB8dI" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Here’s an oldie from her college days that illustrates why Griner is an intimidating presence on defense.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/rnqdm4Xq8Rg" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>



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