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| Ugh. When can we retire that description? It so lazy to refer to professional basketball players as "big girls." At the very least, can't we afford them the respect of calling them women?
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| Posted: 05/26/18 11:05 am ::: |
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| How about “big athletes”?
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| Posted: 05/26/18 11:06 am ::: |
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| Even better.
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| Posted: 05/26/18 11:06 am ::: |
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| Even better.
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| Posted: 05/26/18 11:14 am ::: |
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| Perhaps you should take that up with Brittany Griner.
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The continued relevance of bigs in the WNBA is why the WNBA has started to catch up to the NBA, in terms of my favorite sport.
If the three-point ridiculousness in the NBA continues unabated, it won't be more than another couple seasons before the two switch places in my Top Two.
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| Posted: 05/26/18 1:25 pm ::: |
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| Except it didn’t help the Lynx against the Sparks. Big girls won’t work on those teams that don’t have any shooters.
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| Posted: 05/26/18 1:33 pm ::: |
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| Except it didn’t help the Lynx against the Sparks... |
Uhh... because LA also has one of those, and they canceled each other out. I mean, what definition of 'big' are you working with, that you think that Nneka Ogwumike doesn't qualify?
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| So 6’2” Nneka cancelled out Brunson 6’2”, Fowles 6’6”, Kizer 6’4”, Fagbenle 6’4”, that Nneka must be simply the best player in the world.
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| Minnesota beat themselves. That’s all there is to it. They didn’t have the focus or energy.
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| Posted: 05/26/18 3:12 pm ::: |
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| So 6’2” Nneka cancelled out Brunson 6’2”, Fowles 6’6”, Kizer 6’4”, Fagbenle 6’4”, that Nneka must be simply the best player in the world. |
You're being deliberately obtuse right now. Voepel might have mentioned a few role-playing centers in her article, but I thought it was clear from context that, when she was talking about dominating, she was talking about the elite-level bigs, and not just every player in the WNBA that's over X inches tall. Ogwumike canceled out Fowles. She didn't need to cancel out Brunson, Kizer and Faqbenie, because they aren't the same caliber of player. In fact, unless they're being spoon-fed by better talent, Kizer and Faqbenie are pretty much non-entities, at this stage in their respective careers.
Minnesota's larger problem was that Brunson was not able to dominate outplay Carson, on a night where Moore didn't have it; that's why they lost. And the central point remains true: WNBA teams with elite bigs will win more games than they lose. But, when they play against other teams that also have elite bigs, the other stars need to step up. Minnesota's other star is Maya Moore. She didn't step up. So they lost. Saying that "it didn't help" against the Sparks, as if implying that Fowles had something to do with it, is mad specious.
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| Posted: 05/26/18 3:23 pm ::: |
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| So 6’2” Nneka cancelled out Brunson 6’2”, Fowles 6’6”, Kizer 6’4”, Fagbenle 6’4”, that Nneka must be simply the best player in the world. |
You're being deliberately obtuse right now. Voepel might have mentioned a few role-playing centers in her article, but I thought it was clear from context that, when she was talking about dominating, she was talking about the elite-level bigs, and not just every player in the WNBA that's over X inches tall. Ogwumike canceled out Fowles. She didn't need to cancel out Brunson, Kizer and Faqbenie, because they aren't the same caliber of player. In fact, unless they're being spoon-fed by better talent, Kizer and Faqbenie are pretty much non-entities, at this stage in their respective careers.
Minnesota's larger problem was that Brunson was not able to dominate outplay Carson, on a night where Moore didn't have it; that's why they lost. And the central point remains true: WNBA teams with elite bigs will win more games than they lose. But, when they play against other teams that also have elite bigs, the other stars need to step up. Minnesota's other star is Maya Moore. She didn't step up. So they lost. Saying that "it didn't help" against the Sparks, as if implying that Fowles had something to do with it, is mad specious. |
I think they lost because their perimeter players got outplayed by the Sparks perimeter players and Reeve got outcoached by Agler
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| Except it didn’t help the Lynx against the Sparks. Big girls won’t work on those teams that don’t have any shooters. |
Memo to Dallas FO
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| Posted: 05/26/18 3:58 pm ::: |
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[quote="Silky Johnson"][quote="bballjunkie"]So 6’2” Nneka cancelled out Brunson 6’2”, Fowles 6’6”, Kizer 6’4”, Fagbenle 6’4”, that Nneka must be simply the best player in the world.[/quote]
You're being deliberately obtuse right now. Voepel might have mentioned a few role-playing centers in her article, but I thought it was clear from context that, when she was talking about dominating, she was talking about the elite-level bigs, and not just every player in the WNBA that's over X inches tall. Ogwumike canceled out Fowles. She didn't need to cancel out Brunson, Kizer and Faqbenie, because they aren't the same caliber of player. In fact, unless they're being spoon-fed by better talent, Kizer and Faqbenie are pretty much non-entities, at this stage in their respective careers.
Minnesota's larger problem was that Brunson was not able to dominate outplay Carson, on a night where Moore didn't have it; that's why they lost. And the central point remains true: WNBA teams with elite bigs will win more games than they lose. But, when they play against other teams that also have elite bigs, the other stars need to step up. Minnesota's other star is Maya Moore. She didn't step up. So they lost. Saying that "it didn't help" against the Sparks, as if implying that Fowles had something to do with it, is mad specious.[/quote]
You could have saved yourself the 2 paragraphs, I was responding to your shooting comment. IMO a big is not as advantageous without shooting. Should have added the Shawshank obtuse quote but whatevs.
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[quote="Libra_Girl"][quote="bballjunkie"]Except it didn’t help the Lynx against the Sparks. Big girls won’t work on those teams that don’t have any shooters.[/quote]
Memo to Dallas FO[/quote]
Can you imagine how easy it would be with shooting.
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| Posted: 05/26/18 4:46 pm ::: |
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| Of all the explanations I've read about why the Lynx lost to the Sparks (here and elsewhere) I think Spacejunkies explanation is my favorite and makes the most sense.
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| Posted: 05/26/18 5:23 pm ::: |
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| I think they lost because their perimeter players got outplayed by the Sparks perimeter players and Reeve got outcoached by Agler |
I am not sure where these "hot takes" are coming from. The reason the Lynx lost that game is clear as day: they had 24 damn turnovers. All around sloppy play did them in.
I mean, 24 turnovers and it still took a circus shot at the buzzer to beat them...not exactly a sign of them being "outcoached" or any of the other supposed "reasons". It also means that it is a bad game to look at as far as dominating bigs. A team turns over the ball that much and there is little else that can be concluded from that game.
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| Posted: 05/28/18 8:40 pm ::: |
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| You could have saved yourself the 2 paragraphs, I was responding to your shooting comment. IMO a big is not as advantageous without shooting. Should have added the Shawshank obtuse quote but whatevs. |
Wait, my shooting comment? Which one was that?
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