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Who will win this game?
Storm
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Mercury
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PostPosted: 05/22/18 9:42 am    ::: Storm @ Mercury - 5/23/18 Reply Reply with quote

Phoenix, AZ - 10:00 PM ET
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PostPosted: 05/23/18 6:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Go Phoenix!



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PostPosted: 05/23/18 1:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

BG should be able to torch Langhorne again.
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PostPosted: 05/23/18 2:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I can't believe they're playing again so soon.


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PostPosted: 05/23/18 5:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fourth straight game against the Mercury for the Storm. Don't know who scheduled that ?!?


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PostPosted: 05/23/18 6:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

RI_Sun_Fan wrote:
Fourth straight game against the Mercury for the Storm. Don't know who scheduled that ?!?


They Threw the Wings in to start to season for PHX to avoid it looking so pre-meditated i guess Laughing



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PostPosted: 05/23/18 7:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

RI_Sun_Fan wrote:
Fourth straight game against the Mercury for the Storm. Don't know who scheduled that ?!?


Another reason we need expansion, to vary the schedule more



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PostPosted: 05/23/18 8:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howard getting the start tonight for Seattle according to their Twitter



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PostPosted: 05/23/18 9:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Howard getting the start tonight for Seattle according to their Twitter


They could start Whitcomb at center, it won't matter tonight. Games like this vs. Griner, Fowles, Cambage & J Jones will kill Seattle without having a true starting center.



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PostPosted: 05/23/18 9:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't know if it is an employee-only thing or not, but my sister is at a Nike-sponsored watch party. She just sent me a video of her asking her almost-3-year-old sports-obsessed son, "OK, what do you yell?" He says, "Um...go Storm!" Very Happy


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PostPosted: 05/23/18 9:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

OMFG: Just caught my first glimpse of KML. Front runner for the "Danielle Adams busting out of the uniform" award. Wherever she played overseas, she sure as hell found the pastry cart!



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PostPosted: 05/23/18 9:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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OMFG: Just caught my first glimpse of KML. Front runner for the "Danielle Adams busting out of the uniform" award. Wherever she played overseas, she sure as hell found the pastry cart!


I got so mad at Diana a minute ago on defense. Literally all you have to do is stand next to KML..and Diana went ball hawking.



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PostPosted: 05/23/18 9:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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readyAIMfire53 wrote:
OMFG: Just caught my first glimpse of KML. Front runner for the "Danielle Adams busting out of the uniform" award. Wherever she played overseas, she sure as hell found the pastry cart!


I got so mad at Diana a minute ago on defense. Literally all you have to do is stand next to KML..and Diana went ball hawking.


#KML = Pastry Carts Laughing Laughing



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PostPosted: 05/24/18 12:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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mercfan3 wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
OMFG: Just caught my first glimpse of KML. Front runner for the "Danielle Adams busting out of the uniform" award. Wherever she played overseas, she sure as hell found the pastry cart!


I got so mad at Diana a minute ago on defense. Literally all you have to do is stand next to KML..and Diana went ball hawking.


#KML = Pastry Carts Laughing Laughing


Hope she's got a backup career plan. Besides being the Pillsbury doughboy. Seriously, where was she at the nutrition classes they have pre camp? I don't think "Pastry Carts" is the nickname a player wants to own.



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PostPosted: 05/24/18 4:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
Luuuc wrote:
Howard getting the start tonight for Seattle according to their Twitter

They could start Whitcomb at center, it won't matter tonight. Games like this vs. Griner, Fowles, Cambage & J Jones will kill Seattle without having a true starting center.

*should* kill Seattle.

Failure to consistently dominate against "inferior" opponents is exactly why I think league MVP predictions for BG are very optimistic. The player she can be, and the player she is, still don't coincide often enough.



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PostPosted: 05/24/18 6:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Seattle's bench:

Paris +12
Canada +5
KML +4
Whitcomb +3
Muldrow +3
Langhorne -1

For the second consecutive gsme,with the exception of Langhorne.Every bench player was in the positive....That's a good sign.




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PostPosted: 05/24/18 6:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Be 6'8,and grab a total of 4 rebounds against an undersized frontline.


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PostPosted: 05/24/18 7:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

readyAIMfire53 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
OMFG: Just caught my first glimpse of KML. Front runner for the "Danielle Adams busting out of the uniform" award. Wherever she played overseas, she sure as hell found the pastry cart!


I got so mad at Diana a minute ago on defense. Literally all you have to do is stand next to KML..and Diana went ball hawking.


#KML = Pastry Carts Laughing Laughing


Hope she's got a backup career plan. Besides being the Pillsbury doughboy. Seriously, where was she at the nutrition classes they have pre camp? I don't think "Pastry Carts" is the nickname a player wants to own.


Do have to start wondering when Seattle gives up on her. Doesn't seem she can do much more than hit a 3 once in a while.

BTW - did Howard really play center as listed in the box score?



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PostPosted: 05/24/18 9:21 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yes KML is heavy, but this thread is brutal. Has she actually done anything to earn these attacks besides having an obvious weight issue? I may be sexist, but you can comment on someone's weight without being so harsh.


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PostPosted: 05/24/18 9:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Yes KML is heavy, but this thread is brutal. Has she actually done anything to earn these attacks besides having an obvious weight issue? I may be sexist, but you can comment on someone's weight without being so harsh.

Oh they are being mild compared to how they were with Shoni and Danielle.


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PostPosted: 05/24/18 9:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

KML is an interesting case ... she's clearly a bust in terms of her draft position and subsequent performance, and on that alone, she's going to draw criticism (plus being from UConn). Evelyn Akhator gets the same kind of treatment, really.

The question, though, is whether commenting on her weight is legitimate or not. If we say a player shoots so poorly she could build a brick mansion, that is definitely insulting, but since we don't, as a culture, shame people who perform a particular athletic skill poorly, it most likely falls into a different category.

On the other hand, it is not out of the realm of possibility that KML's inability to justify her draft position is because of her issues with weight and conditioning. If so, then that would seem to be fair game, and "pastry cart" and "brick mansion" are both hyperbolic descriptions.

So should KML get a pass on what might be the reason she's not doing well because of overriding cultural concerns? If so, then should there be similar protections for players like Akhator?



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ClayK wrote:
KML is an interesting case ... she's clearly a bust in terms of her draft position and subsequent performance, and on that alone, she's going to draw criticism (plus being from UConn). Evelyn Akhator gets the same kind of treatment, really.

The question, though, is whether commenting on her weight is legitimate or not. If we say a player shoots so poorly she could build a brick mansion, that is definitely insulting, but since we don't, as a culture, shame people who perform a particular athletic skill poorly, it most likely falls into a different category.

On the other hand, it is not out of the realm of possibility that KML's inability to justify her draft position is because of her issues with weight and conditioning. If so, then that would seem to be fair game, and "pastry cart" and "brick mansion" are both hyperbolic descriptions.

So should KML get a pass on what might be the reason she's not doing well because of overriding cultural concerns? If so, then should there be similar protections for players like Akhator?

That's why I thought I was probably being sexist, as if the player were male, I would find the ridicule less demeaning. I think you can comment on her weight affecting her play, but these comments seem more like ridicule than criticism.

As for the Ahkator/KML comparison, KML was projected to be the 2nd pick, so her lack of productivity is somewhat shocking from that perscpective. Ahkator was predicted to be late first round/early second and the fact that she was a lottery pick says more about the Wings' poor judgement than Evelyn's lack of effort or conditioning. I'm just happy that the Wings realized their error and cut her (like Jankoska) rather than pulled a Dream play and keep her like Dietrick.


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PostPosted: 05/24/18 11:04 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't really get that last comment - the Dream never drafted Dietrick - she is an end of bench player signed to a training camp contract. Hardly comparable to drafting a player 3rd and then cutting her a year later or keeping a high draft position player around who doesn't appear to be in shape and who has never really performed.



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PostPosted: 05/24/18 11:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I don't really get that last comment - the Dream never drafted Dietrick - she is an end of bench player signed to a training camp contract. Hardly comparable to drafting a player 3rd and then cutting her a year later or keeping a high draft position player around who doesn't appear to be in shape and who has never really performed.


McGee-Stafford would be a better comparison



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PostPosted: 05/24/18 11:08 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Well, posters love to trash the Dream, so why not. The team did fire the coach after that and no one has come up with a better backup center the team should get instead of IMS. I guess we could have drafted Russell with the 3rd pick.



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PostPosted: 05/24/18 11:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Honestly, certain posters seem to have an obsession with player’s weights.

Howard dominated BG at times. And DB seemed passive after a hot start. Disappointing because we had a really good chance to start the season 3-0 before heading to LA.
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PostPosted: 05/24/18 12:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Mercury started out hot and then decided not to play defense. I don't know if they felt sorry for the Storm's dismal 14% shooting at the beginning so they just left shooters wide open or if they were confused on whether they should cover them or not. It was very frustrating to watch. Clark had back to back plays where she was wide open - so much so that she hesitated, like is anyone going to cover me? The answer was NO.

And once we got behind, there was no urgency to try and get back. Taurasi was the only one playing with any urgency.

I don't know what happened with the technical on BG and DT. I was walking out with 1 minute to go and 13 down. Heard the announcer say they were given technicals. Most likely frustration. Not the best officiated game but none of them are and it went both ways.


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Phoenix has one glaring weakness, and it sure showed last night. Other than January, there are no solid perimeter defense players. In both games, coach Sandy decided (correctly...try to cut off the head) to use her one defensive chip on Bird, leaving the Mercury vulnerable to the quickness of Loyd.
If I were the Phx GM, why not cut rookie Wright (does not seem destined to get off bench), and pick up experienced free agent Kelly Faris? She may be a shaky scorer, but the kid can play tough defense.


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PostPosted: 05/24/18 4:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

canadaball wrote:
Phoenix has one glaring weakness, and it sure showed last night. Other than January, there are no solid perimeter defense players. In both games, coach Sandy decided (correctly...try to cut off the head) to use her one defensive chip on Bird, leaving the Mercury vulnerable to the quickness of Loyd.
If I were the Phx GM, why not cut rookie Wright (does not seem destined to get off bench), and pick up experienced free agent Kelly Faris? She may be a shaky scorer, but the kid can play tough defense.


Id say that Bonner is one of the better perimeter defenders and pretty versatile aswell. Havent seen this game yet so i dont know how she did in this one. I know Loyd was guarding Bonner in the last game. Was DB defending Loyd?
If you look at the starters from the Mercury then their defense should be pretty good: January= one of the best defenders at her position, Bonner= very versatile defender (can guard 1,2 and 3 positions), Lyttle= yes she is a bit older but still a good defender and one of the best defenders at her position, Griner= potential DPOY

But teamdefense is about chemistry and January and Lyttle are new and the team needs to adjust. That will take time



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canadaball wrote:
Phoenix has one glaring weakness, and it sure showed last night. Other than January, there are no solid perimeter defense players. In both games, coach Sandy decided (correctly...try to cut off the head) to use her one defensive chip on Bird, leaving the Mercury vulnerable to the quickness of Loyd.
If I were the Phx GM, why not cut rookie Wright (does not seem destined to get off bench), and pick up experienced free agent Kelly Faris? She may be a shaky scorer, but the kid can play tough defense.


They might have cap issues.



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Watching the game now and had to laugh at the most obvious travel violation that i have seen in a while and it happened right in front of the ref and wasnt called Laughing Laughing

It happens with 18-17 seconds left in the first half and Birdy is holding the ball in both arms after a jumpstop. She is waiting a bit and then just walks backwards a couple of steps with the ball in her hands Laughing before starting her dribble. I have seen her do this previously but never so obvious as this one. How do the refs miss this Rolling Eyes



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Shades wrote:
canadaball wrote:
Phoenix has one glaring weakness, and it sure showed last night. Other than January, there are no solid perimeter defense players. In both games, coach Sandy decided (correctly...try to cut off the head) to use her one defensive chip on Bird, leaving the Mercury vulnerable to the quickness of Loyd.
If I were the Phx GM, why not cut rookie Wright (does not seem destined to get off bench), and pick up experienced free agent Kelly Faris? She may be a shaky scorer, but the kid can play tough defense.


They might have cap issues.


Good point. They are going with an 11 woman roster featuring 4 minimum wage type players. There is a $15k difference between a rookie like Wright, and a 4th year player like Faris. Yes, that might be a killer, given the Mercury are loaded with high salaries.


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PostPosted: 05/24/18 7:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

just took note, but no attendance reported for this game.



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anyone have the attendance for this game?



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PostPosted: 05/27/18 2:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
anyone have the attendance for this game?


ESPN has it at 8,068.

http://www.espn.com/wnba/game?gameId=401018793


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toad455 wrote:
anyone have the attendance for this game?


ESPN has it at 8,068.

http://www.espn.com/wnba/game?gameId=401018793


Thanks. .com and Yahoo have it as N/A.



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