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PostPosted: 05/17/18 11:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ATM it looks like Sloot and N'Dour will knock off Harper and Hopkins and you get

Sloot/Faulkner
Quigley/Copper
Deshields/Williams/Montgomery
C. Parker/Bulgak/N'Dour
Dolson/Coates


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PostPosted: 05/19/18 10:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

As season opens, Chicago Sky will lean on its depth

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Stocks says her "six starters" at the moment, and for today's opener against the Fever, are: guards Allie Quigley, Jamierra Faulkner and Alex Montgomery as well as forwards Kahleah Copper, Cheyenne Parker and Stefanie Dolson.

Stocks envisions grouping the starters, likely in groups of three in most situations


Quigley - started - 28 min
Dolson - started - 28 min
Williams - started - 28 min
DeShields - started - 26 min
Faulkner - 23 min
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Hopkins - started - 17 min
Montgomery - 14 min
Copper - 12 min
Parker - 12 min
Coates - 12 min


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PostPosted: 05/20/18 7:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Stocks really needs to rethink her strategy of making full lineup changes...Substituting five players at once when your team is playing good is just stupid...You run the risk of completely changing the momentum of the game.


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PostPosted: 05/21/18 8:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

sigur3 wrote:
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Ndour - temporary suspension so I presume they must expect her back at some point. Can she play the 4 position?


Yes, ideally. She's highly skilled for someone of her size but has a Bonneresque frame. No low post banging for her.

She's an intriguing prospect IMO but I have absolutely no clue what her status with the team is. You're right though, they re-signed her and then suspended her so probably going to get her back sometime this summer if all goes well. I'll try to find out for you good people.


I know this is a four day old post and I am sure you've noticed but Astou appears to be coming over after all. She's been somewhat active on Twitter mentioning the Sky a lot and congratulating them on their wins. She'll be an interesting addition. I almost feel like she and Gabby can be interchangeable at the 3 and 4... I am having a hard time remembering her short stint with SASS though.



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PostPosted: 05/21/18 8:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
Stocks really needs to rethink her strategy of making full lineup changes...Substituting five players at once when your team is playing good is just stupid...You run the risk of completely changing the momentum of the game.


Maybe it's because my high school ran "The System," but I actually don't mind the whole sale subs. I felt like each group had great chemistry and energy. Also, I think Stocks understands it's situational. At the end of the game, she nixed the idea and went with a more comprehensive lineup, but I think for quarters 1-3 it's not a bad idea. It reminds me of how Thibs used to have the Bench Mob with the Bulls.



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PostPosted: 05/21/18 9:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

bullsky wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Stocks really needs to rethink her strategy of making full lineup changes...Substituting five players at once when your team is playing good is just stupid...You run the risk of completely changing the momentum of the game.


Maybe it's because my high school ran "The System," but I actually don't mind the whole sale subs. I felt like each group had great chemistry and energy. Also, I think Stocks understands it's situational. At the end of the game, she nixed the idea and went with a more comprehensive lineup, but I think for quarters 1-3 it's not a bad idea. It reminds me of how Thibs used to have the Bench Mob with the Bulls.


Stocks just needs to do a better job of leaving the hot player and hot lineup on the court...In the 1st quarter.Stocks pulled a hot Quigley out of the game....Chicago opened the 3rd quarter on a 10-2 run and Stocks made wholesale substitutions Laughing .....If Stocks can make a few adjustments to her system.I believe Chicago can win 16-20 games.


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PostPosted: 05/27/18 11:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Vandersloot and Astou Ndour has been activated. Chelsea Hopkins and Adut Bulgak has been waived.



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PostPosted: 05/27/18 5:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NVM


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PostPosted: 05/27/18 6:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Would like to see:

1.Parker in the starting lineup....Parker's avg 7.0 reb in 18.5 mpg while Gabby is avg just 3.5 reb in 22 0 mpg...Gabby is being overwhelmed in the post and on the boards by bigger/taller players.Parker's a better rebounder,low post scorer,shot blocker,and would provide the Sky with some much needed defensive size in the starting lineup...Gabby's speed and athletic ability isn't enough to make up for her lack of height.

2.More minutes for DD when she's having a good game....Diamond leads all rookies in fg%,ft%,Asst(tied w/nurse),is 2nd in reb,and 4th in pts....I'd also like to see Diamond guard the opposing teams best wing player...Loyd had 8 fg's against the Sky...0 made fg against DD...Clark shot 0-6 from the field thanks to the good defense of DD and K.Copper.

3.Coach Stocks abandon the five-player substitutuon...Too many negatives with this strategy:

A.Hot players being taken out of the game.
B.Full lineup change when the team is playing good.
C.Players not having chemistry with one another because they've rarely played together.
D.Players not getting enough playimg time(Parker,DeShields)


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PostPosted: 05/27/18 9:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I do agree that the Williams at power forward experiment should end ASAP. Stocks substitution patterns might not change this season. I don't agree with it but I believe her logic behind this strategy is this season is compressed and she wants her squad to have fresh legs by the end of the season.
This strategy is logical only if the team wins enough games to make it to the playoffs. If the team is lottery bound then it makes no sense.



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PostPosted: 05/27/18 10:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Vandersloot and Astou Ndour has been activated. Chelsea Hopkins and Adut Bulgak has been waived.


I do understand saying goodbye to Hopkins but I don't agree with the release of Bulgak. That means that Stocks is fully committed to playing Williams at the power forward position for the rest of the season. I guess I need to put on my casino clothes and hang out with my honey at the roulette table. The Sky will be lottery bound for the 2019 season if Williams plays twenty plus minutes a game at the power forward position. Confused



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PostPosted: 05/27/18 11:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Her platoon system is a joke.

But still they already have two wins toward their 8 win limit. Very Happy



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PostPosted: 05/28/18 12:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Her platoon system is a joke.

But still they already have two wins toward their 8 win limit. Very Happy

You should focus on playing Bingo if you are going to hang out with us at the casino.



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PostPosted: 05/30/18 11:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What positive attributes does Linnae Harper have that would make her indispensable to Coach Stocks?



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PostPosted: 05/30/18 12:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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But still they already have two wins toward their 8 win limit. Very Happy


I think you may underestimate the value of Sloot to this club. She may need a little time to adjust to the new faces, but once they gel it could be hell.



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Shades wrote:
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But still they already have two wins toward their 8 win limit. Very Happy


I think you may underestimate the value of Sloot to this club. She may need a little time to adjust to the new faces, but once they gel it could be hell.


s'ok. kinda a private joke with Rock...



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myrtle wrote:
Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:


But still they already have two wins toward their 8 win limit. Very Happy


I think you may underestimate the value of Sloot to this club. She may need a little time to adjust to the new faces, but once they gel it could be hell.


s'ok. kinda a private joke with Rock...

Yes, you do like to mess with me. I should make a bet with you that if the Sky win more than a dozen games that you will have to have a photo of Tamera Young for your avatar photo. Do you want to make that bet? Very Happy



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PostPosted: 05/30/18 12:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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What positive attributes does Linnae Harper have that would make her indispensable to Coach Stocks?

She keeps the last seat nice and toasty.


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Rock Hard wrote:
myrtle wrote:
Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:


But still they already have two wins toward their 8 win limit. Very Happy


I think you may underestimate the value of Sloot to this club. She may need a little time to adjust to the new faces, but once they gel it could be hell.


s'ok. kinda a private joke with Rock...

Yes, you do like to mess with me. I should make a bet with you that if the Sky win more than a dozen games that you will have to have a photo of Tamera Young for your avatar photo. Do you want to make that bet? Very Happy


and what would YOU have to do if you lose?



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myrtle wrote:
Rock Hard wrote:
myrtle wrote:
Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:


But still they already have two wins toward their 8 win limit. Very Happy


I think you may underestimate the value of Sloot to this club. She may need a little time to adjust to the new faces, but once they gel it could be hell.


s'ok. kinda a private joke with Rock...

Yes, you do like to mess with me. I should make a bet with you that if the Sky win more than a dozen games that you will have to have a photo of Tamera Young for your avatar photo. Do you want to make that bet? Very Happy


and what would YOU have to do if you lose?

I will display any Delle Donne photo of your choice wearing a Mystics jersey as my avatar photo. The loser must display their photo until January 1, 2019. Deal or no deal? Very Happy



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PostPosted: 06/08/18 6:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/R1NH10xE1EI" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>


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Can DeShields do this? That’s a beyond elite level pass. Keep developing this one.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1006727291328753664/pu/vid/1280x720/Lb71Yo8DlOt0s2bw.mp4



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Shades wrote:
Can DeShields do this? That’s a beyond elite level pass. Keep developing this one.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1006727291328753664/pu/vid/1280x720/Lb71Yo8DlOt0s2bw.mp4



Laughing Laughing Laughing Still trying to compare the two ? Laughing Laughing Laughing
Can gabby hit a shot ? Thats beyond elite level ? Both need to continue to be developed , but im not sure Coach Stocks is the answer to that.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
Can DeShields do this? That’s a beyond elite level pass. Keep developing this one.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1006727291328753664/pu/vid/1280x720/Lb71Yo8DlOt0s2bw.mp4



Laughing Laughing Laughing Still trying to compare the two ? Laughing Laughing Laughing
Can gabby hit a shot ? Thats beyond elite level ? Both need to continue to be developed , but im not sure Coach Stocks is the answer to that.

No WNBA coach can take credit for the skill development of individual players. Skill development is something players have to do themselves.



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Like everyone I'm not sure what is going on with Harrison in LV but Copper for Harrison could be good for both teams this will open up more minutes for Deshields and Gabby at the 2 and 3 and give Chicago a legit PF who can be combined with Dolson, Ch. Parker, Coates or N'Dour in the front court

Sloot/Faulkner
Quigley/(Deshields)/Harper
Deshields/G. Williams/A. Montgomery
Ch. Parker/Harrison/N'Dour
Dolson/Coates

Copper seems like a Laimbeer type player and fits nicely behind McBride and Young

L. Allen/Plum/Jefferson
McBride/Copper
T. Young/Nared
Wilson/Hamby
Park/Bone/Swords


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PostPosted: 06/14/18 5:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

+1 @ J-Spoon

The only way Diamond,Gabby,and the Sky will thrive is if Chicago trades Copper for a PF...This would bolster the Sky's frontline,and free up minutes for Diamond and Gabby at the wing positions.

There are a number of trade possibilities that would involve Copper:

Copper for Harrison
Copper for Hamby
Copper for Lavender
Copper & Coates for Stokes & Ny's 2019 2nd rd pk
Copper & Coates for Dupree & Indy's 2019 2nd rd pk

Or maybe Big Bill would prefer a Center...Coates for Harrison..or Coates for Hamby.


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PostPosted: 06/14/18 9:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:
Like everyone I'm not sure what is going on with Harrison in LV but Copper for Harrison could be good for both teams this will open up more minutes for Deshields and Gabby at the 2 and 3 and give Chicago a legit PF who can be combined with Dolson, Ch. Parker, Coates or N'Dour in the front court

Sloot/Faulkner
Quigley/(Deshields)/Harper
Deshields/G. Williams/A. Montgomery
Ch. Parker/Harrison/N'Dour
Dolson/Coates

Copper seems like a Laimbeer type player and fits nicely behind McBride and Young

L. Allen/Plum/Jefferson
McBride/Copper
T. Young/Nared
Wilson/Hamby
Park/Bone/Swords



Why trade Copper? Just bring her off the bench for scoring. If Chicago wants to get more athletic then they can bring quogley off the bench as well. The problem with that is Quigley’s shooting opens up the floor for everyone else.

Another thing I noticed is that the coach has Gabby at the 4 while Dolson is out. It might not be too bad. There have been lots of undersized 4’s that have had good careers. Gabby with her versatility can possibly cause other teams problems when she plays the 4.


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PostPosted: 06/14/18 9:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
+1 @ J-Spoon

The only way Diamond,Gabby,and the Sky will thrive is if Chicago trades Copper for a PF...This would bolster the Sky's frontline,and free up minutes for Diamond and Gabby at the wing positions.

There are a number of trade possibilities that would involve Copper:

Copper for Harrison
Copper for Hamby
Copper for Lavender
Copper & Coates for Stokes & Ny's 2019 2nd rd pk
Copper & Coates for Dupree & Indy's 2019 2nd rd pk

Or maybe Big Bill would prefer a Center...Coates for Harrison..or Coates for Hamby.


Indiana doesn't have a 2nd, it'd be a high 3rd. Even with that I think that'd be a fair deal imo considering the position they're at and that they have another 3rd and need young bigs. They'd be getting Coates as the replacement of the 3rd they'd be trading but I don't know if Copper would be seen well or if they'd like to add another G (although she could be Dup's replacement at a much younger age tho, and given the season is done for them that's not the worst situation to be in).


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Williams has been at the 4 virtually all season, whether Dolson was there or not. They slid her over to the 3 and started Cheyenne Parker instead of DeShields for the game against LA, but that's about it.

I don't see any real need to trade Copper, either - it's not like she's in anyone's way with the way Stocks is using her. But players like Copper and Faulkner could be trade chips to get that post player that this roster still seems to be missing if someone's interested. Problem is that neither's putting up the kind of numbers that increase their stock. Parker and initially Quigley are virtually the only Sky players coming away from this season with much credit so far.



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I don't want people to misinterpret my previous post...Copper's not the problem...but trading her can be part of the solution...The real problem is Gabby playing PF.It's not the most optimal position for her.....GW doesn't have the size/length to contend with the bigger PF's...Sure,we've seen a couple of undersized PF's have success,but most of those players had a different body type and style of play.Gabby’s at her best when she’s running the floor in transition,flying through the air for rebounds,and being a great help defender.A.Thomas on the other hand is a physical,broad shoulder player who enjoys contact…..Gabby tries to avoid contact...Thomas seeks out the contact.Wrestling with bigger players has no effect on Thomas...Gabby however,needs space to operate and be effective....I Just don't see Gabby having much success at the PF position:

1.Gabby is very undersized(6'0)...Any PF with decent size can score her in the post.Gabby provides zero deterrent on defense.Go back and watch the games.Zahui b,Howard,Stewart,Wilson,etc...all had an easy time scoring on Gabby.

2.Gabby's lack of size also impacts her rebounding.She is the worst rebounding starting PF in the league.In fact,C.Parker is averaging 2 more rebounds than Gabby in 6 less minutes...Post players have neutralized Gabby's biggest strength(Jumping,Athletic ability) just by putting a body on her...Hard to use your jumping ability or speed in the paint area when you have no space,especially when you're only 6'0.

Chicago would be better off developing Gabby as a SF.


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zune69 wrote:
I don't want people to misinterpret my previous post...Copper's not the problem...but trading her can be part of the solution...The real problem is Gabby playing PF.It's not the most optimal position for her.....GW doesn't have the size/length to contend with the bigger PF's...Sure,we've seen a couple of undersized PF's have success,but most of those players had a different body type and style of play.Gabby’s at her best when she’s running the floor in transition,flying through the air for rebounds,and being a great help defender.A.Thomas on the other hand is a physical,broad shoulder player who enjoys contact…..Gabby tries to avoid contact...Thomas seeks out the contact.Wrestling with bigger players has no effect on Thomas...Gabby however,needs space to operate and be effective....I Just don't see Gabby having much success at the PF position:

1.Gabby is very undersized(6'0)...Any PF with decent size can score her in the post.Gabby provides zero deterrent on defense.Go back and watch the games.Zahui b,Howard,Stewart,Wilson,etc...all had an easy time scoring on Gabby.

2.Gabby's lack of size also impacts her rebounding.She is the worst rebounding starting PF in the league.In fact,C.Parker is averaging 2 more rebounds than Gabby in 6 less minutes...Post players have neutralized Gabby's biggest strength(Jumping,Athletic ability) just by putting a body on her...Hard to use your jumping ability or speed in the paint area when you have no space,especially when you're only 6'0.

Chicago would be better off developing Gabby as a SF.

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Something else you might want to mention in the comparison with Thomas is that it took her four years to rise above utterly mediocre. Williams has had all of nine games. Give her a chance.

Williams probably does need to adapt her game more for the pros, but I really think the 'undersized' thing has become overblown. There's minimal difference when she lines up against someone like Jessica Breland, who's been playing the 4 for years in this league. The likes of Thornton and Hines-Allen have been lauded for their play this season at the 4. It's doable, and it's about style at least as much as simple height. Her jumper actually looks pretty nice a lot of the time too - nowhere near as broken as Thomas's.

She may end up as a 3, or a more regular hybrid, but I don't think the 4's impossible. And part of it's dictated by the shambolic alternative options Stocks has inside. Past Parker's occasional shining moments it's been slim pickings lately.



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Something else you might want to mention in the comparison with Thomas is that it took her four years to rise above utterly mediocre. Williams has had all of nine games. Give her a chance.

Williams probably does need to adapt her game more for the pros, but I really think the 'undersized' thing has become overblown. There's minimal difference when she lines up against someone like Jessica Breland, who's been playing the 4 for years in this league. The likes of Thornton and Hines-Allen have been lauded for their play this season at the 4. It's doable, and it's about style at least as much as simple height. Her jumper actually looks pretty nice a lot of the time too - nowhere near as broken as Thomas's.

She may end up as a 3, or a more regular hybrid, but I don't think the 4's impossible. And part of it's dictated by the shambolic alternative options Stocks has inside. Past Parker's occasional shining moments it's been slim pickings lately.


While that is all true it also explains the motivation for trading Copper for a Post.

Subtracting Copper creates more minutes for Deshields as a 3/2 and more minutes for Williams primarily as a 3, while bringing in a post who can contribute more at the 4 than The players behind Ch Parker, or G. Williams if you are in the Gabby isn't best suited for the PF spot on the pro level camp.


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zune69 wrote:
+1 @ J-Spoon

The only way Diamond,Gabby,and the Sky will thrive is if Chicago trades Copper for a PF...This would bolster the Sky's frontline,and free up minutes for Diamond and Gabby at the wing positions.

There are a number of trade possibilities that would involve Copper:

Copper for Harrison
Copper for Hamby
Copper for Lavender
Copper & Coates for Stokes & Ny's 2019 2nd rd pk
Copper & Coates for Dupree & Indy's 2019 2nd rd pk

Or maybe Big Bill would prefer a Center...Coates for Harrison..or Coates for Hamby.


Interesting about Dupree given that she wanted out of Chicago when she was there. I don't see that trade happening. Why trade Coates when they just drafted her last year? This is actually her rookie year.


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Rock Hard wrote:
zune69 wrote:
I don't want people to misinterpret my previous post...Copper's not the problem...but trading her can be part of the solution...The real problem is Gabby playing PF.It's not the most optimal position for her.....GW doesn't have the size/length to contend with the bigger PF's...Sure,we've seen a couple of undersized PF's have success,but most of those players had a different body type and style of play.Gabby’s at her best when she’s running the floor in transition,flying through the air for rebounds,and being a great help defender.A.Thomas on the other hand is a physical,broad shoulder player who enjoys contact…..Gabby tries to avoid contact...Thomas seeks out the contact.Wrestling with bigger players has no effect on Thomas...Gabby however,needs space to operate and be effective....I Just don't see Gabby having much success at the PF position:

1.Gabby is very undersized(6'0)...Any PF with decent size can score her in the post.Gabby provides zero deterrent on defense.Go back and watch the games.Zahui b,Howard,Stewart,Wilson,etc...all had an easy time scoring on Gabby.



2.Gabby's lack of size also impacts her rebounding.She is the worst rebounding starting PF in the league.In fact,C.Parker is averaging 2 more rebounds than Gabby in 6 less minutes...Post players have neutralized Gabby's biggest strength(Jumping,Athletic ability) just by putting a body on her...Hard to use your jumping ability or speed in the paint area when you have no space,especially when you're only 6'0.

Chicago would be better off developing Gabby as a SF.

True. Preach the word and the word will set you free.


Thank God I’ve moved to Dallas and the team here has been very crafty at earning my loyalty!! Slooty, you are my only remaining tie to the Sky, come to Dallas and complete my separation!!! (Although, I do inadvertently Cheer let’s go Sky when they do the chant at games. I guess it’ll take a little longer to rewire the lesser centers of the brain)

Any who on to my original reason for exclaiming! Y’all are recommending the Sky groom GW to be an athletic non-shooting SF!!! So you actually want a Tamera Young 2.0??? Nothing like playing 4 on 5 on offense. Good luck with that.


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PostPosted: 06/15/18 2:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Doubt Slooty is leaving Quig behind.


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Interesting about Dupree given that she wanted out of Chicago when she was there. I don't see that trade happening. Why trade Coates when they just drafted her last year? This is actually her rookie year.


1.It's possible Dupree wanted out of Chicago because of the Coaching staff,or because she wanted to be with Bonner.

2.Coates isn't getting much run.She's the 5th post when Chicago is at full strength.

3.Stokes(Defensive) & Dupree(Offensive) are more valuable than Coates.


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Any who on to my original reason for exclaiming! Y’all are recommending the Sky groom GW to be an athletic non-shooting SF!!! So you actually want a Tamera Young 2.0??? Nothing like playing 4 on 5 on offense. Good luck with that.


1.Gabby would obviously have to “develop” a Jump shot.

2.Gabby would come off the bench.

3.With Gabby starting at the PF position,the Sky are playing 4 on 5 on offense and defense….Gabby can’t defend,score,and is a mediocre rebounder at the PF position.


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PostPosted: 06/15/18 2:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

[quote="zune69"]
shontay33 wrote:



Skyfan22 wrote:

Any who on to my original reason for exclaiming! Y’all are recommending the Sky groom GW to be an athletic non-shooting SF!!! So you actually want a Tamera Young 2.0??? Nothing like playing 4 on 5 on offense. Good luck with that.


1.Gabby would obviously have to “develop” a Jump shot.

2.Gabby would come off the bench.

3.With Gabby starting at the PF position,the Sky are playing 4 on 5 on offense and defense….Gabby can’t defend,score,and is a mediocre rebounder at the PF position.


1. Sounds like TYoung

2. Sounds like TYoung

3. Which is why I was thrilled she didn’t come to the Wings!!!


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PostPosted: 06/15/18 2:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Skyfan22 wrote:
Rock Hard wrote:
zune69 wrote:
I don't want people to misinterpret my previous post...Copper's not the problem...but trading her can be part of the solution...The real problem is Gabby playing PF.It's not the most optimal position for her.....GW doesn't have the size/length to contend with the bigger PF's...Sure,we've seen a couple of undersized PF's have success,but most of those players had a different body type and style of play.Gabby’s at her best when she’s running the floor in transition,flying through the air for rebounds,and being a great help defender.A.Thomas on the other hand is a physical,broad shoulder player who enjoys contact…..Gabby tries to avoid contact...Thomas seeks out the contact.Wrestling with bigger players has no effect on Thomas...Gabby however,needs space to operate and be effective....I Just don't see Gabby having much success at the PF position:

1.Gabby is very undersized(6'0)...Any PF with decent size can score her in the post.Gabby provides zero deterrent on defense.Go back and watch the games.Zahui b,Howard,Stewart,Wilson,etc...all had an easy time scoring on Gabby.



2.Gabby's lack of size also impacts her rebounding.She is the worst rebounding starting PF in the league.In fact,C.Parker is averaging 2 more rebounds than Gabby in 6 less minutes...Post players have neutralized Gabby's biggest strength(Jumping,Athletic ability) just by putting a body on her...Hard to use your jumping ability or speed in the paint area when you have no space,especially when you're only 6'0.

Chicago would be better off developing Gabby as a SF.

True. Preach the word and the word will set you free.


Thank God I’ve moved to Dallas and the team here has been very crafty at earning my loyalty!! Slooty, you are my only remaining tie to the Sky, come to Dallas and complete my separation!!! (Although, I do inadvertently Cheer let’s go Sky when they do the chant at games. I guess it’ll take a little longer to rewire the lesser centers of the brain)

Any who on to my original reason for exclaiming! Y’all are recommending the Sky groom GW to be an athletic non-shooting SF!!! So you actually want a Tamera Young 2.0??? Nothing like playing 4 on 5 on offense. Good luck with that.


You better Preach ! Laughing



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PostPosted: 06/15/18 6:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
Skyfan22 wrote:
Rock Hard wrote:
zune69 wrote:
I don't want people to misinterpret my previous post...Copper's not the problem...but trading her can be part of the solution...The real problem is Gabby playing PF.It's not the most optimal position for her.....GW doesn't have the size/length to contend with the bigger PF's...Sure,we've seen a couple of undersized PF's have success,but most of those players had a different body type and style of play.Gabby’s at her best when she’s running the floor in transition,flying through the air for rebounds,and being a great help defender.A.Thomas on the other hand is a physical,broad shoulder player who enjoys contact…..Gabby tries to avoid contact...Thomas seeks out the contact.Wrestling with bigger players has no effect on Thomas...Gabby however,needs space to operate and be effective....I Just don't see Gabby having much success at the PF position:

1.Gabby is very undersized(6'0)...Any PF with decent size can score her in the post.Gabby provides zero deterrent on defense.Go back and watch the games.Zahui b,Howard,Stewart,Wilson,etc...all had an easy time scoring on Gabby.



2.Gabby's lack of size also impacts her rebounding.She is the worst rebounding starting PF in the league.In fact,C.Parker is averaging 2 more rebounds than Gabby in 6 less minutes...Post players have neutralized Gabby's biggest strength(Jumping,Athletic ability) just by putting a body on her...Hard to use your jumping ability or speed in the paint area when you have no space,especially when you're only 6'0.

Chicago would be better off developing Gabby as a SF.

True. Preach the word and the word will set you free.


Thank God I’ve moved to Dallas and the team here has been very crafty at earning my loyalty!! Slooty, you are my only remaining tie to the Sky, come to Dallas and complete my separation!!! (Although, I do inadvertently Cheer let’s go Sky when they do the chant at games. I guess it’ll take a little longer to rewire the lesser centers of the brain)

Any who on to my original reason for exclaiming! Y’all are recommending the Sky groom GW to be an athletic non-shooting SF!!! So you actually want a Tamera Young 2.0??? Nothing like playing 4 on 5 on offense. Good luck with that.


You better Preach ! Laughing

Powers and Davis career field goal percentage is below forty percent. I am confident that Williams can shoot better than that.



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PostPosted: 06/15/18 9:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think G. Williams can play SF and find a way to use her skill set to get points from the perimeter, more than she'll be able to score in the post against PFs. I think she may also be able to rebound better from the SF spot crashing the boards as opposed to blocking out against larger players. If you combine her with a PF with range Williams would have a much better chance posting up other SF, and could also pass easier to the perimeter out of penetration. But whether she plays the 3 or the 4 developing a mid range shot pretty much has to happen or her points are only going to come in transition and on put backs.


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PostPosted: 06/15/18 11:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Rock Hard wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Skyfan22 wrote:
Rock Hard wrote:
zune69 wrote:
I don't want people to misinterpret my previous post...Copper's not the problem...but trading her can be part of the solution...The real problem is Gabby playing PF.It's not the most optimal position for her.....GW doesn't have the size/length to contend with the bigger PF's...Sure,we've seen a couple of undersized PF's have success,but most of those players had a different body type and style of play.Gabby’s at her best when she’s running the floor in transition,flying through the air for rebounds,and being a great help defender.A.Thomas on the other hand is a physical,broad shoulder player who enjoys contact…..Gabby tries to avoid contact...Thomas seeks out the contact.Wrestling with bigger players has no effect on Thomas...Gabby however,needs space to operate and be effective....I Just don't see Gabby having much success at the PF position:

1.Gabby is very undersized(6'0)...Any PF with decent size can score her in the post.Gabby provides zero deterrent on defense.Go back and watch the games.Zahui b,Howard,Stewart,Wilson,etc...all had an easy time scoring on Gabby.



2.Gabby's lack of size also impacts her rebounding.She is the worst rebounding starting PF in the league.In fact,C.Parker is averaging 2 more rebounds than Gabby in 6 less minutes...Post players have neutralized Gabby's biggest strength(Jumping,Athletic ability) just by putting a body on her...Hard to use your jumping ability or speed in the paint area when you have no space,especially when you're only 6'0.

Chicago would be better off developing Gabby as a SF.

True. Preach the word and the word will set you free.


Thank God I’ve moved to Dallas and the team here has been very crafty at earning my loyalty!! Slooty, you are my only remaining tie to the Sky, come to Dallas and complete my separation!!! (Although, I do inadvertently Cheer let’s go Sky when they do the chant at games. I guess it’ll take a little longer to rewire the lesser centers of the brain)

Any who on to my original reason for exclaiming! Y’all are recommending the Sky groom GW to be an athletic non-shooting SF!!! So you actually want a Tamera Young 2.0??? Nothing like playing 4 on 5 on offense. Good luck with that.


You better Preach ! Laughing

Powers and Davis career field goal percentage is below forty percent. I am confident that Williams can shoot better than that.


Or at least have the basketball IQ to not shoot those shots over...and over...and over...


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PostPosted: 06/16/18 1:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Rock Hard wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Skyfan22 wrote:
Rock Hard wrote:
zune69 wrote:
I don't want people to misinterpret my previous post...Copper's not the problem...but trading her can be part of the solution...The real problem is Gabby playing PF.It's not the most optimal position for her.....GW doesn't have the size/length to contend with the bigger PF's...Sure,we've seen a couple of undersized PF's have success,but most of those players had a different body type and style of play.Gabby’s at her best when she’s running the floor in transition,flying through the air for rebounds,and being a great help defender.A.Thomas on the other hand is a physical,broad shoulder player who enjoys contact…..Gabby tries to avoid contact...Thomas seeks out the contact.Wrestling with bigger players has no effect on Thomas...Gabby however,needs space to operate and be effective....I Just don't see Gabby having much success at the PF position:

1.Gabby is very undersized(6'0)...Any PF with decent size can score her in the post.Gabby provides zero deterrent on defense.Go back and watch the games.Zahui b,Howard,Stewart,Wilson,etc...all had an easy time scoring on Gabby.



2.Gabby's lack of size also impacts her rebounding.She is the worst rebounding starting PF in the league.In fact,C.Parker is averaging 2 more rebounds than Gabby in 6 less minutes...Post players have neutralized Gabby's biggest strength(Jumping,Athletic ability) just by putting a body on her...Hard to use your jumping ability or speed in the paint area when you have no space,especially when you're only 6'0.

Chicago would be better off developing Gabby as a SF.

True. Preach the word and the word will set you free.


Thank God I’ve moved to Dallas and the team here has been very crafty at earning my loyalty!! Slooty, you are my only remaining tie to the Sky, come to Dallas and complete my separation!!! (Although, I do inadvertently Cheer let’s go Sky when they do the chant at games. I guess it’ll take a little longer to rewire the lesser centers of the brain)

Any who on to my original reason for exclaiming! Y’all are recommending the Sky groom GW to be an athletic non-shooting SF!!! So you actually want a Tamera Young 2.0??? Nothing like playing 4 on 5 on offense. Good luck with that.


You better Preach ! Laughing

Powers and Davis career field goal percentage is below forty percent. I am confident that Williams can shoot better than that.


Ouch. Laughing


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http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/20180629/skys-deshields-eager-to-continue-improving-on-defense


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"I want to be talked about with players like Angel someday," said DeShields, who has always been a scorer (she's averaging 12.3 points per game, second-best on the team, and scored a game-high 23 points against Atlanta). Lately, she has put more effort into her defense. But she says that defense wasn't always her thing.



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As much as I like to kill Stocks for obvious reasons(Starting lineup,Substitution patterns)...She’s done a great job of keeping her team unified.Stocks’ positive reinforcement has given every Sky player a sense of self-worth.If a player's having a good game Stocks will give them extended minutes.At the same time,Stocks holds them accountable...If a player's being selfish or not sticking to the game plan,Stocks will pull them from the game,chew them out,and even cut their minutes.Stocks has done a better job of making in-game adjustments and letting Diamond play through her mistakes. Stocks also has a commanding presence on the sideline and in the huddle.She doesn’t just sit on the bench with a blank look on her face(Fred williams)...When Stocks grabs the clipboard,you get the sense that she knows what she doing....The atmosphere on the sky bench is very positive.Players are always standing and cheering for one another.This might not be a big deal to some people.But this type of behavior creates great team comradery.




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I think it comes down to the Dream, Sky and possibly the Aces for the last playoff spot. Two of the 3 won't make the playoffs.


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zune69 wrote:
As much as I like to kill Stocks for obvious reasons(Starting lineup,Substitution patterns)....She's done a great job of keeping her team unified,creating a positive atmosphere,holding players accountable,and commanding their respect.



She looks calmer/mellower/more-relaxed on the sidelines this year.


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mavcarter wrote:
Rock Hard wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Skyfan22 wrote:
Rock Hard wrote:
zune69 wrote:
I don't want people to misinterpret my previous post...Copper's not the problem...but trading her can be part of the solution...The real problem is Gabby playing PF.It's not the most optimal position for her.....GW doesn't have the size/length to contend with the bigger PF's...Sure,we've seen a couple of undersized PF's have success,but most of those players had a different body type and style of play.Gabby’s at her best when she’s running the floor in transition,flying through the air for rebounds,and being a great help defender.A.Thomas on the other hand is a physical,broad shoulder player who enjoys contact…..Gabby tries to avoid contact...Thomas seeks out the contact.Wrestling with bigger players has no effect on Thomas...Gabby however,needs space to operate and be effective....I Just don't see Gabby having much success at the PF position:

1.Gabby is very undersized(6'0)...Any PF with decent size can score her in the post.Gabby provides zero deterrent on defense.Go back and watch the games.Zahui b,Howard,Stewart,Wilson,etc...all had an easy time scoring on Gabby.



2.Gabby's lack of size also impacts her rebounding.She is the worst rebounding starting PF in the league.In fact,C.Parker is averaging 2 more rebounds than Gabby in 6 less minutes...Post players have neutralized Gabby's biggest strength(Jumping,Athletic ability) just by putting a body on her...Hard to use your jumping ability or speed in the paint area when you have no space,especially when you're only 6'0.

Chicago would be better off developing Gabby as a SF.

True. Preach the word and the word will set you free.


Thank God I’ve moved to Dallas and the team here has been very crafty at earning my loyalty!! Slooty, you are my only remaining tie to the Sky, come to Dallas and complete my separation!!! (Although, I do inadvertently Cheer let’s go Sky when they do the chant at games. I guess it’ll take a little longer to rewire the lesser centers of the brain)

Any who on to my original reason for exclaiming! Y’all are recommending the Sky groom GW to be an athletic non-shooting SF!!! So you actually want a Tamera Young 2.0??? Nothing like playing 4 on 5 on offense. Good luck with that.


You better Preach ! Laughing

Powers and Davis career field goal percentage is below forty percent. I am confident that Williams can shoot better than that.


Ouch. Laughing


HMMmm. How did I miss this post? Regardless....

This post doesn’t even respond to the question I posed. Yes the Wings have issues. shakhator being one of the glaring ones. But no Wings fans that I know of are advocating making their issues into the second coming of TYoung. Throwing out stats about a player who’s barely sniffed the WNBA court consistently since her Rookie season and the 8th, or so, pick in an allegedly weak draft, despite their attendant issues, has not one single thing to do with Gabby playing 3 on the Sky. The Sky, who are still my second team, would be making an ongoing boneheaded desicison.

This, “I know I am but what about you mentality,” is especially laughable when you do actually compare the players (again, no reason to do so since the initial question had nothing to do with, “Oh look how great the Wings have it with player X and Y,” but instead just asked about what to do with Gabby) since Gabby has been completely incapable of shooting the 3 a la TYoung and both Davis and Powers have demonstrated the ability to get hot in their supporting roles to the starters.

Now, as a many year dedicated Sky fan, I know the unquestioned love of TYoung by all Sky Fans, and I should never question the passion they have for Tamera, but I’m so tired of watching their offense stagnate as they are outmatched. The last thing I wanna do is piss off the Sky fans as I still am a big Sky supporter and I generally enjoy all the Sky posters on this board.


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PostPosted: 06/30/18 6:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think Alyssa Thomas is more the player Gabby should strive to be... Also an athletic non-shooting SF turned PF.


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PostPosted: 06/30/18 8:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Aladyyn wrote:
I think Alyssa Thomas is more the player Gabby should strive to be... Also an athletic non-shooting SF turned PF.


Was Williams a small forward initially at UCONN? Makes sense if she was since Hoopgurlz says she was a guard in high school.


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