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| Some kind of clause might explain the rash of early multi-year extensions given to the class of 2015, even to KML. But in the news release, the SEA GM acted like the players were really worthy of the extensions... could be standard PR.
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| Posted: 05/17/18 1:25 pm ::: |
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So, why not wait until next February to make a decision?
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I would think the obvious answer is money. Wait until next year and someone offers her max. Are you gonna match it? Now you can give her a little raise and both sides are happy and she's locked in.
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| Posted: 05/17/18 1:36 pm ::: |
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| Are teams getting a discount on these early contracts? Players seeing any kind of raise after their rookie contracts might be content with like $80-$90K for Loyd. Less for KML.
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| Posted: 05/17/18 2:16 pm ::: |
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So, why not wait until next February to make a decision?
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I would think the obvious answer is money. Wait until next year and someone offers her max. Are you gonna match it? Now you can give her a little raise and both sides are happy and she's locked in. |
If someone offers Stokes max, then she probably had a good year. Matching under those circumstances wouldn't be so onerous. You might also be able to work out a Natasha Howard type trade with the other team beforehand.
After giving it more thought, a more interesting take might be fear that a new CBA results in a much higher max within a similar cap. That would benefit the people on top but further squeeze middle-class players. Perhaps that uncertainty is enough incentive for both sides to reach a compromise right now.
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| Posted: 05/17/18 2:23 pm ::: |
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| I would also point out, for what it's worth, that just because it's an extension doesn't mean there's any guaranteed money in it. Presumably it suggests they like the player, but they're not necessarily locked into anything. |
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| Posted: 05/17/18 3:25 pm ::: |
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| Maybe the GMs think the cap and max will go up in 19 so locking in a player now means a lower rate.
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| Posted: 05/17/18 3:59 pm ::: |
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While we're waiting on the Cutdown Countdown, I'd like to get back to the Stokes extension for a moment. I'm hearing a lot of comments that basically say, "I like Stokes" or "She's worth having on the team." However, no one is addressing the question of, "Why now?" Kiah is a restricted free agent at the end of the season. The Liberty control whether she can walk away, not Stokes. And it's not like Kiah is a star player that you need to keep happy and pampered. Usually, early extensions are a symbolic gesture by the team to show their commitment to a star.
When people make decisions, they generally want more information and more choices. So, why not wait until next February to make a decision? Look at all the important information you'll have by then:
1) An extra year of performance to evaluate Stokes.
2) Knowledge of how your team performed and where you need help.
3) A final list of available free agents who may help you fill those needs.
4) The draft slots where you will be selecting.
5) A better feel for both the quality and availability of players in the draft.
On top of that, the team will have greater flexibility because they're locked into one less player. The only reasons I can think of for making the decision now is if management thinks they got a discount or because they're worried about changes that may occur based on the CBA opt-out. Otherwise, I don't see any advantage in giving Stokes an extension right now. |
groot_thing - I think you have probably given this issue far more thought than the Liberty brass did. I imagine their thought process was something like "Hey we like Stokes. Let's see if she will go for an extension."
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| Posted: 05/17/18 4:02 pm ::: |
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| So the Liberty are going to wait until Monday to announce their roster?
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| So the Liberty are going to wait until Monday to announce their roster? |
Times up! I wouldn’t be surprised if the Sparks don’t want to announce their final roster (unless it’s required).
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| Posted: 05/17/18 5:21 pm ::: |
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| Russell, Gray and L.Allen gone according to .com Transactoions page. Vaughn temp suspended. |
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| Russell, Gray and L.Allen gone according to .com Transactoions page. Vaughn temp suspended. |
yeah i just checked that out , Could this be wrong ? They also have Vadeeva being waived by LA . Not sure if i should trust this yet . If so Seattle should give Russell and Vadeeva a serious look !
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| I would suspect that all the names are meant to be there, but it was meant to say that Vadeeva is Temporarily Suspended (as with the listing for several others). |
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| So R. Allen makes the final team? Ugh! Hopefully someone else picks up Russell. So we start with 10 assuming Prince is injured and Boyd is ready? Rather thin inside without Vaughn. Should have kept Russell over R. Allen.
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| Posted: 05/17/18 5:28 pm ::: |
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New York Allen, Lindsay Waived
New York Gray, Reshanda Waived
New York Russell, Mercedes Waived
New York Vaughn, Kia Suspended – Temporary*
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| I would suspect that all the names are meant to be there, but it was meant to say that Vadeeva is Temporarily Suspended (as with the listing for several others). |
They seemed to get Dabovic status right of Full suspension and Lavender's temp suspension . So how sure can we be that Vadeeva was not waived ?
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| I would suspect that all the names are meant to be there, but it was meant to say that Vadeeva is Temporarily Suspended (as with the listing for several others). |
They seemed to get Dabovic status right of Full suspension and Lavender's temp suspension . So how sure can we be that Vadeeva was not waived ? |
Because it says so in their announcement of the team
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| I would suspect that all the names are meant to be there, but it was meant to say that Vadeeva is Temporarily Suspended (as with the listing for several others). |
They seemed to get Dabovic status right of Full suspension and Lavender's temp suspension . So how sure can we be that Vadeeva was not waived ? |
The Sparks announced her as being on their opening day roster in multiple places - https://twitter.com/LA_Sparks/status/997224033644171264 , http://sparks.wnba.com/news/2018-sparks-roster-released/ . That's usually a pretty strong hint. |
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| Posted: 05/17/18 5:38 pm ::: |
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| I would suspect that all the names are meant to be there, but it was meant to say that Vadeeva is Temporarily Suspended (as with the listing for several others). |
They seemed to get Dabovic status right of Full suspension and Lavender's temp suspension . So how sure can we be that Vadeeva was not waived ? |
Because it says so in their announcement of the team |
She’s shown in the final roster I posted with her photoshopped #10 jersey.
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| I would suspect that all the names are meant to be there, but it was meant to say that Vadeeva is Temporarily Suspended (as with the listing for several others). |
They seemed to get Dabovic status right of Full suspension and Lavender's temp suspension . So how sure can we be that Vadeeva was not waived ? |
Because it says so in their announcement of the team |
Thanks Michelle !
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On one hand I’m not happy to lose Lindsay Allen because of her vision and PG skills. OTOH it suggests Piph is not out that long. It also suggests that Piph may play some point and/or that Boyd has retained much of her athletic ability.
This puts the onus on Stokes and Zahui to produce as well.
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Am I missing something? I count 12 players for the Liberty. If so, why do we have to suspend Vaughn? You would suspend her to get a 13th player.
1 Hartley/Boyd
2 Prince/Rodgers/Nurse
3 Zellous/R. Allen
4 Charles/Coleman
5 Stokes/Zahui B/Vaughn
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| Posted: 05/17/18 6:24 pm ::: |
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Am I missing something? I count 12 players for the Liberty. If so, why do we have to suspend Vaughn? You would suspend her to get a 13th player.
1 Hartley/Boyd
2 Prince/Rodgers/Nurse
3 Zellous/R. Allen
4 Charles/Coleman
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Vaughn is still overseas. Suspending her could possibly let the Liberty bring back Russell until Vaughn arrives.
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| Posted: 05/17/18 6:26 pm ::: |
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| Or you just suspend her because she's not there and you don't want to pay her. |
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