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PostPosted: 05/14/18 11:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Doesn’t anybody think there’s still more potential in Zahui then say KML?


Zahui B has upside,but it needs to manifest this season...Roster spots are at a premium.


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PostPosted: 05/14/18 11:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
Shades wrote:

Doesn’t anybody think there’s still more potential in Zahui than say KML?


Zahui B has upside,but it needs to manifest this season...Roster spots are at a premium.


Would you say the same about KML, or does she have no upside?



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PostPosted: 05/14/18 12:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I seem to remember reading that WNBA teams don't get to work out or meet with potential draft picks. Although I don't remember any justification for that. But when you can't meet with players like Zahui and Akhator, you may not notice that their roster height boost is two inches more than their peers. And thinking they are two inches taller than they are can raise their rating quite a bit.


I don't see any evidence that Fred Williams is incompetent or worthless.


Not sure I agree with the first part. If you're truly scouting a player and presumably looking at lots of tape, one of the things you have to look at is how much size a 'big' really has. If all (or most) of us noticed the height amplification beyond the normal bounds, then there is no excuse for a team scouting that player not to see it as well. That said, mistakes happen, and how well a player's abilities will translate to the pros is not always obvious. Dallas may well have realized Akhator was 'short' but still thought she could become a GloJo type player. And really, she may still do it sometime down the road. I wish her well in her overseas career. Maybe she'll be back.

I think Williams has his own style of coaching. This year he has the guns for it so we will see how well that translates into wins.



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PostPosted: 05/14/18 12:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Shades wrote:

Doesn’t anybody think there’s still more potential in Zahui than say KML?


Zahui B has upside,but it needs to manifest this season...Roster spots are at a premium.


Would you say the same about KML, or does she have no upside?

Zahui went from winning a championship in Czech to coming over to Liberty camp with no rest. KML is spending time with her family in California instead of being in camp. Who wants a WNBA job more?


KML could be a 3 point specialist for the right team...Unfortunately she has 4 things working against her:

1.Poor defender

2.Inconsistent condition

3.Lack of size at the SF position

4.Hasn't found her stroke at the pro level(32% from 3)

Coach Hughes talking about playing Stewart at SF isn't a good sign for KML.


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PostPosted: 05/14/18 12:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Any 2015 pick will be a RFA after this season. Loyd, Williams and Stokes are locks to get new contracts. Probably Cheyenne Parker, Cloud and Boyd, too. But are teams going to even offer the minimum to players like KML, Zahui B and Hamby?



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PostPosted: 05/14/18 1:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Any 2015 pick will be a RFA after this season. Loyd, Williams and Stokes are locks to get new contracts. Probably Cheyenne Parker, Cloud and Boyd, too. But are teams going to even offer the minimum to players like KML, Zahui B and Hamby?


It depends on how they perform this season.


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PostPosted: 05/14/18 2:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Remind me why you dislike Curt Miller so intensely?

He seems pretty bland to me, so the fervor seems out of place ... but I'm sure there are reasons.


Miller made a joke to the media about "basement dwellers" not having as much insight about what goes on during draft night as, you know, the actual people who make those decisions, and Shades took it very personally for some reason. Kind of strange because everyone else here thought it was funny, but you know what they say about a hit dog hollering...


It's because he used the fact that none us fans had Akhator as a Top 8 pick to mock us (instead of any other example of fans being wrong), so were we considered ignorant/stupid for not thinking Akhator would be a top player in the 2017 Draft or ignorant/stupid for not knowing a team would be crazy enough to draft her in the Top 10 (only to cut her the follow season)?


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PostPosted: 05/14/18 4:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The preseason game against the Aces.
Chong had an impressive game, very good well rounded game
Cambage left me with the impression she will not be overwhelmed by anyone this year, instead she will overwhelm others.
We are a better team with Glory on the court. She makes things happen.
K Davis and Cambage were victims of marginal foul calls.
K Davis has Glory-like moves, smooth, fluid, and a passing lane anticipation steal, fast break behind the back pass to Gray...well we didn't score, but it sure was exciting.
And then there is Stevens. Instinctive ability to know where the basket is at all times. She can do more than score. She is a really good fit for this team


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PostPosted: 05/14/18 7:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Not sure I agree with the first part. If you're truly scouting a player and presumably looking at lots of tape, one of the things you have to look at is how much size a 'big' really has. If all (or most) of us noticed the height amplification beyond the normal bounds, then there is no excuse for a team scouting that player not to see it as well. That said, mistakes happen, and how well a player's abilities will translate to the pros is not always obvious. Dallas may well have realized Akhator was 'short' but still thought she could become a GloJo type player. And really, she may still do it sometime down the road. I wish her well in her overseas career. Maybe she'll be back.


I remember you commenting right away about Akhator being shorter than advertised based on seeing her in college (maybe other people did, but don't recall it). But I don't remember anyone saying anything about Zahui B being significantly shorter than her roster height. At some point I saw Zahui standing near the listed 6'2" Pierson in a game and they looked very close in height. So I posted it here ( http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?start=1100&t=85735 )
and there were responses about it, but I don't remember anyone saying that they always thought she was shorter than advertised.




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PostPosted: 05/14/18 8:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I remember commenting that Zahui must have been measured to the top of her hairdo... Laughing But my point is that when the well-being of the teams depends on knowing that kind of information, there is no excuse for not knowing it. Someone is getting paid to know it!



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PostPosted: 05/14/18 11:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Zahui B is a legit 6'4...



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PostPosted: 05/15/18 12:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I almost forgot this was a wings thread Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 05/15/18 12:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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You may not like him as a coach but Fred is a truly nice guy. And I'm pretty sure his players like him.

The thing about a nice person who is incompetent is that they are still incompetent.


I'm not buying that a person who has NCAA titles and WNBA finals appearances is incompetent. That doesn't mean he is the best out there, but there is a lot in between that, and I'd hardly call a person with those on there resume an incompetent coach.



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PostPosted: 05/15/18 10:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
Zahui B is a legit 6'4...



I think her max "roster height" might be 6'3". That also may be true of Kia Vaughn. In looking at some foreign game a month or two ago, it looked like listed 6'4" Lynetta Kizer was a little taller than the listed 6'4" Alaina Coates who looked a little taller than the listed 6'4" Kia Vaughn.



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PostPosted: 05/16/18 11:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Dallas Wings Finalize 2018 Roster
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The roster features 10 returning players, including All-Star guard Skylar Diggins-Smith, along with veterans Glory Johnson, Karima Christmas-Kelly, and Theresa Plaisance. Fellow returners, Aerial Powers and Kayla Thornton also join the roster. Four members of last year’s rookie class will begin their sophomore season, led by 2017 Rookie of the Year Allisha Gray and 2017 All-Rookie Team member Kaela Davis, as well as Saniya Chong and Breanna Lewis. Rounding out this year’s squad is international sensation, 6-foot-8 center Liz Cambage, and the Wings overall sixth pick in the 2018 WNBA Draft Azurá Stevens.


The Wings are missing Courtney Paris and Evelyn Akhator from 2017.


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PostPosted: 05/17/18 12:20 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Dallas Wings Finalize 2018 Roster
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The roster features 10 returning players, including All-Star guard Skylar Diggins-Smith, along with veterans Glory Johnson, Karima Christmas-Kelly, and Theresa Plaisance. Fellow returners, Aerial Powers and Kayla Thornton also join the roster. Four members of last year’s rookie class will begin their sophomore season, led by 2017 Rookie of the Year Allisha Gray and 2017 All-Rookie Team member Kaela Davis, as well as Saniya Chong and Breanna Lewis. Rounding out this year’s squad is international sensation, 6-foot-8 center Liz Cambage, and the Wings overall sixth pick in the 2018 WNBA Draft Azurá Stevens.


The Wings are missing Courtney Paris and Evelyn Akhator from 2017.


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PostPosted: 05/17/18 9:21 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Cambage is a paleo diet devotee after first trying it four years ago and shedding 25 per cent of her body fat "straight away".
Texas is not known for its healthy food, but Cambage has not been tempted and is sticking to her current favourite home-cooked roasted brussel sprouts with bacon and balsamic vinegar.
It was a different story when she was a teenager playing on the Bulleen Boomers in the WNBL.
"We were sponsored by the Pancake Parlour and I was in there after every training session having a chocolate thick shake, getting pancakes with ice cream and chocolate sauce, maybe a Cajun chicken salad on the side," she laughed.
"We would smash that."


http://kwese.espn.com/nbl/story/_/id/23523231/liz-cambage-faces-aussies-wnba-return



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PostPosted: 05/17/18 9:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Diggins wants the W to win

http://www.complex.com/sports/2018/05/skylar-diggins-smith-wnba-here-to-win

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Diggins-Smith is, no surprise, passionate about the coverage (or lack thereof) her league gets. When I ask how she would fix the problem, she shoots back, “You think if I knew the fix, that it wouldn't be fixed?” But as she continues talking through it, she lands on some ideas. “We need more women telling sports stories, because 90 percent of these sports stories are curated by men. We have no diversity in who writes for the WNBA. It's kind of all white men... People have stories to tell, and our league is so diverse.”



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PostPosted: 05/17/18 10:11 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I seem to remember Cambage blaming “American food” for making her fat after her first stint in the WNBA, and I was like.... wait a minute.... she used to do Aussie promo pics with a huge stack of pancakes topped by a big glob of butter.



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PostPosted: 05/17/18 10:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
tfan wrote:
Dallas Wings Finalize 2018 Roster
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The roster features 10 returning players, including All-Star guard Skylar Diggins-Smith, along with veterans Glory Johnson, Karima Christmas-Kelly, and Theresa Plaisance. Fellow returners, Aerial Powers and Kayla Thornton also join the roster. Four members of last year’s rookie class will begin their sophomore season, led by 2017 Rookie of the Year Allisha Gray and 2017 All-Rookie Team member Kaela Davis, as well as Saniya Chong and Breanna Lewis. Rounding out this year’s squad is international sensation, 6-foot-8 center Liz Cambage, and the Wings overall sixth pick in the 2018 WNBA Draft Azurá Stevens.


The Wings are missing Courtney Paris and Evelyn Akhator from 2017.


Who Question Rolling Eyes


Whoa!...Show Courtney Paris some respect.She's led the WNBA in rebounding 2x,and helped Tul/Dal make the playoffs 2x...It's great to have Cambage back.Dallas should be a better team.But let's not be dismissive of a player who put in work for the Tul/Dal franchise....GO WINGS!!! Very Happy


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zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
tfan wrote:
Dallas Wings Finalize 2018 Roster
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The roster features 10 returning players, including All-Star guard Skylar Diggins-Smith, along with veterans Glory Johnson, Karima Christmas-Kelly, and Theresa Plaisance. Fellow returners, Aerial Powers and Kayla Thornton also join the roster. Four members of last year’s rookie class will begin their sophomore season, led by 2017 Rookie of the Year Allisha Gray and 2017 All-Rookie Team member Kaela Davis, as well as Saniya Chong and Breanna Lewis. Rounding out this year’s squad is international sensation, 6-foot-8 center Liz Cambage, and the Wings overall sixth pick in the 2018 WNBA Draft Azurá Stevens.


The Wings are missing Courtney Paris and Evelyn Akhator from 2017.


Who Question Rolling Eyes


Whoa!...Show Courtney Paris some respect.She's led the WNBA in rebounding 2x,and helped Tul/Dal make the playoffs 2x...It's great to have Cambage back.Dallas should be a better team.But let's not be dismissive of a player who put in work for the Tul/Dal franchise.


Shes not on our team anymore , im not going to dwell on the past . Nothing personal but she was apart of our dweller years and played a major role in us not being able to take the next step . I hope she has an amazing season in Seattle , but she will not be missed sorry .



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PostPosted: 05/17/18 10:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I hope she has an amazing season in Seattle , but she will not be missed sorry .


Wow. Shocked Laughing


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WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
tfan wrote:
Dallas Wings Finalize 2018 Roster
Quote:

The roster features 10 returning players, including All-Star guard Skylar Diggins-Smith, along with veterans Glory Johnson, Karima Christmas-Kelly, and Theresa Plaisance. Fellow returners, Aerial Powers and Kayla Thornton also join the roster. Four members of last year’s rookie class will begin their sophomore season, led by 2017 Rookie of the Year Allisha Gray and 2017 All-Rookie Team member Kaela Davis, as well as Saniya Chong and Breanna Lewis. Rounding out this year’s squad is international sensation, 6-foot-8 center Liz Cambage, and the Wings overall sixth pick in the 2018 WNBA Draft Azurá Stevens.


The Wings are missing Courtney Paris and Evelyn Akhator from 2017.


Who Question Rolling Eyes


Whoa!...Show Courtney Paris some respect.She's led the WNBA in rebounding 2x,and helped Tul/Dal make the playoffs 2x...It's great to have Cambage back.Dallas should be a better team.But let's not be dismissive of a player who put in work for the Tul/Dal franchise.


Shes not on our team anymore , im not going to dwell on the past . Nothing personal but she was apart of our dweller years and played a major role in us not being able to take the next step . I hope she has an amazing season in Seattle , but she will not be missed sorry .


No,Injuries and Cambage not showing up played the biggest role in Dallas being mediocre....Cambage has never made the playoffs...Tulsa had the worst defense in the league even when Cambage did show up...Stop trying to pin all of Tul/Dal defensive problems on Paris..


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zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
tfan wrote:
Dallas Wings Finalize 2018 Roster
Quote:

The roster features 10 returning players, including All-Star guard Skylar Diggins-Smith, along with veterans Glory Johnson, Karima Christmas-Kelly, and Theresa Plaisance. Fellow returners, Aerial Powers and Kayla Thornton also join the roster. Four members of last year’s rookie class will begin their sophomore season, led by 2017 Rookie of the Year Allisha Gray and 2017 All-Rookie Team member Kaela Davis, as well as Saniya Chong and Breanna Lewis. Rounding out this year’s squad is international sensation, 6-foot-8 center Liz Cambage, and the Wings overall sixth pick in the 2018 WNBA Draft Azurá Stevens.


The Wings are missing Courtney Paris and Evelyn Akhator from 2017.


Who Question Rolling Eyes


Whoa!...Show Courtney Paris some respect.She's led the WNBA in rebounding 2x,and helped Tul/Dal make the playoffs 2x...It's great to have Cambage back.Dallas should be a better team.But let's not be dismissive of a player who put in work for the Tul/Dal franchise.


Shes not on our team anymore , im not going to dwell on the past . Nothing personal but she was apart of our dweller years and played a major role in us not being able to take the next step . I hope she has an amazing season in Seattle , but she will not be missed sorry .


No,Injuries and Cambage not showing up played the biggest role in Dallas being mediocre....Cambage has never made the playoffs...Tulsa had the worst defense in the league even when Cambage did show up...Stop trying to pin all of Tul/Dal defensive problems on Paris..


2 words PICK & ROLL , that was our thorn every season she played with us and everyone in the league knew it. Cambage should be a upgrade with her rim protection . We were owned in the middle with Paris at Center . This was no fluke i saw it every game up close and personal time and time again . Hoping Liz & Azura can resolve those issues of the past. Clear upgrades in my opinion.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
tfan wrote:
Dallas Wings Finalize 2018 Roster
Quote:

The roster features 10 returning players, including All-Star guard Skylar Diggins-Smith, along with veterans Glory Johnson, Karima Christmas-Kelly, and Theresa Plaisance. Fellow returners, Aerial Powers and Kayla Thornton also join the roster. Four members of last year’s rookie class will begin their sophomore season, led by 2017 Rookie of the Year Allisha Gray and 2017 All-Rookie Team member Kaela Davis, as well as Saniya Chong and Breanna Lewis. Rounding out this year’s squad is international sensation, 6-foot-8 center Liz Cambage, and the Wings overall sixth pick in the 2018 WNBA Draft Azurá Stevens.


The Wings are missing Courtney Paris and Evelyn Akhator from 2017.


Who Question Rolling Eyes


Whoa!...Show Courtney Paris some respect.She's led the WNBA in rebounding 2x,and helped Tul/Dal make the playoffs 2x...It's great to have Cambage back.Dallas should be a better team.But let's not be dismissive of a player who put in work for the Tul/Dal franchise.


Shes not on our team anymore , im not going to dwell on the past . Nothing personal but she was apart of our dweller years and played a major role in us not being able to take the next step . I hope she has an amazing season in Seattle , but she will not be missed sorry .


No,Injuries and Cambage not showing up played the biggest role in Dallas being mediocre....Cambage has never made the playoffs...Tulsa had the worst defense in the league even when Cambage did show up...Stop trying to pin all of Tul/Dal defensive problems on Paris..


2 words PICK & ROLL , that was our thorn every season she played with us and everyone in the league knew it. Cambage should be a upgrade with her rim protection . We were owned in the middle with Paris at Center . This was no fluke i saw it every game up close and personal time and time again . Hoping Liz & Azura can resolve those issues of the past. Clear upgrades in my opinion.


It should be an upgrade..But stop acting like Courtney was the only bad defender on the team....Dallas guards have been historically bad at stopping dribble penetration...And Cambage has her own flaws on defense and offense...Liz is bad at guarding players in space,and in transition.She's also foul prone,and turns the ball over at a high rate.


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