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PostPosted: 05/07/18 12:12 pm    ::: Coaches' Week Off--Why? Reply Reply with quote

I saw on Twitter last night that the NCAA has a new rule that coaches are banned from recruiting during the week of May 7-13, or, "given a week off'. Whose idea was this silly rule, and why?



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PostPosted: 05/07/18 1:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's finals week for most public universities. Perhaps that has something to do with it.



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PostPosted: 05/07/18 1:59 pm    ::: Re: Coaches' Week Off--Why? Reply Reply with quote

summertime blues wrote:
I saw on Twitter last night that the NCAA has a new rule that coaches are banned from recruiting during the week of May 7-13, or, "given a week off'. Whose idea was this silly rule, and why?


The idea is to give coaches some time off & away, as well as the kids. I actually don't hate the concept, but the timing is terrible. It was only announced a few weeks ago, plus this is the last full week of the late signing period. I know programs had planned to have kids in for visits, try to get some late signings, etc. So while the spirit of this rule is fine, the timing is a joke. Do it after the signing period when everyone is done with classes, signing period is closed, etc. Then you actually accomplish what you want in giving everyone time off.


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PostPosted: 05/09/18 4:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Because they are lazy. These are the same coaches who boycotted recruiting events over some protest and then complain when the transfer rates are high, but they vote to have fewer recruiting days and give themselves fewer opportunities to speak to these kids to get to know them.


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PostPosted: 05/10/18 10:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Durantula wrote:
Because they are lazy. These are the same coaches who boycotted recruiting events over some protest and then complain when the transfer rates are high, but they vote to have fewer recruiting days and give themselves fewer opportunities to speak to these kids to get to know them.



This is an excellent point.

Given the NCAA's power over recruits -- they have no leverage, no say and no rights -- there's little need for coaches to exert themselves on that end of the recruiting job.

And since women's basketball coaches have earned a reputation for not working all that hard, it's not surprising they would make their life even easier. After all, it's a cartel of a few hundred D1 schools -- and realistically, only the P5 ones matter -- and they can do whatever they want with impunity.

So why not take a week off? Why not limit recruiting efforts? The players can't go anywhere or do anything, and if your competition is willing to relax, why not go along for the ride?



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PostPosted: 05/10/18 12:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is a really bad time of year for the coaches to have a week off. There are players that are changing schools, and trying to make a decision before classes start in three weeks. They may have just finished her finals at their current school, and finally have time to focus on their transfer. There are coaches that have just changed jobs, and so players who are trying to figure out if that new coach is right for them are stuck with nobody to talk to. Very bad decision on the part of the NCAA...


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PostPosted: 05/10/18 5:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I agree with the concept, particularly after reading some of the rationales, but this Shutdown period occurs in the middle of a 2+ month Quiet period, so it would seem a different week could have been chosen. I tried to find the origin of this rule...it came from the NCAA Division I Women’s Basketball Oversight Committee Ad Hoc Working Group on Recruiting, which was established at the request of the WBCA. Here's a PPT of the original goals and considerations starting 2 years ago. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0ahUKEwiC_83CmfzaAhXJtlkKHQ58DTgQFgg2MAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncaa.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FDivision_I_Recruiting_Womens_Basketball_Recruiting_Model_20170509.pptx&usg=AOvVaw0usyi_ELcq0E_OxtNDewZZ

This proposal (2017-23) which was adopted at the April NCAA Legislative meeting was...
"In women's basketball, to (a) Create two recruiting shutdown periods that occur in August and May; (b) Move the fall nonscholastic evaluation period to the third full weekend (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) in May; (c) Permit coaches to use 10 of the permissible 112 recruiting-person days evaluating prospective student-athletes at live organized national team activities, including junior level teams; and regional championships that are approved, sponsored or conducted by FIBA outside an evaluation or contact period; and (d) Amend the July evaluation period, as specified


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PostPosted: 05/10/18 11:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Another thing, is that the girls are already shorted when it comes to recruiting. The boys coaches can start contacting them in June of the summer before their junior year, but the girls have to wait until September 1. Therefore, the boys have the summer AAU season to be talking to coaches. They can work in unofficial visits while they are traveling already for AAU. They are not under the pressure of other sports, whereas the girls’ initial contact with schools is during their fall volleyball or soccer season. That was very stressful, especially trying to fit in calls and home visits with coaches during volleyball season, while she was also had to go to school and do homework. Since this weekend is a non-viewing period, that would be a time when girls could plan unofficials.


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PostPosted: 05/10/18 11:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Hoopsmom wrote:
Another thing, is that the girls are already shorted when it comes to recruiting. The boys coaches can start contacting them in June of the summer before their junior year, but the girls have to wait until September 1. Therefore, the boys have the summer AAU season to be talking to coaches. They can work in unofficial visits while they are traveling already for AAU. They are not under the pressure of other sports, whereas the girls’ initial contact with schools is during their fall volleyball or soccer season. That was very stressful, especially trying to fit in calls and home visits with coaches during volleyball season, while she was also had to go to school and do homework. Since this weekend is a non-viewing period, that would be a time when girls could plan unofficials.


I believe if a player is a sophomore or freshmen they can't be contacted, but there is nothing preventing them from contacting coaches and going on unofficial visits. It's quite often posted on twitter by various recruiting accounts that players who have not reached their junior years of high school. So a player is a freshmen or sophomore in high school, they can call coaches and set up unofficial visits if they are interested in the school. Now of course there are other things that come into play to determine whether an unofficial visit takes place such as interest, time of year, coaches plans, etc., but the September 1 contact rule doesn't prevent early unofficial visits, sure it makes it a little harder and puts more pressure on the player to make the phone call, but it's allowed.



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PostPosted: 05/11/18 12:04 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Durantula wrote:
Because they are lazy. These are the same coaches who boycotted recruiting events over some protest and then complain when the transfer rates are high, but they vote to have fewer recruiting days and give themselves fewer opportunities to speak to these kids to get to know them.


You do realize this isn't a break from work right, coaches still have to go into the office, run workouts, do academic meetings, meet with current student athletes, work on getting ready for camps, organizing recruiting information like inputting evaluations from April, figuring out official visits and maybe unofficial visit times, setting things up for freshmen coming in the summer, getting things ready for current players for the summer. And depending on the school, some are in the middle of finals week or getting ready for finals week so helping players with that, making sure they are on track, ready for finals, doing what they need to do, etc. Now yes there are some coaches on vacation now, but that has nothing to do with this week, even if this was a full contact week they'd still be on vacation because they planned for this week.



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