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| In 2025, the league expanded to 16 teams, with new franchises in the Bay Area, South Carolina, Tennessee and Montreal. Teams play 50 games a year, and relaxed free-agency rules have led to Jonquel Jones signing with LA and Breanna Stewart landing in Vegas. But with that boom comes a headache or two. |
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| That whole article is bizarre and far-fetched. And where does Montreal come in for the W? Yes, the league should be at 16 teams by then, plus a longer schedule, bigger paychecks for players and hopefully a second TV partner.
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| Posted: 04/25/18 1:12 pm ::: |
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| Hey, I’ve been on Kobe’s case on twitter for being a proponent of women’s basketball and yet not owning a WNBA team. People should keep on him. His net worth is said to be in the third-of-a-billion range. |
What is the business reason for Kobe for investing millions into an NBA franchise (especially when there already is one in Los Angeles)?
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| Hey, I’ve been on Kobe’s case on twitter for being a proponent of women’s basketball and yet not owning a WNBA team. People should keep on him. His net worth is said to be in the third-of-a-billion range. |
What is the business reason for Kobe for investing millions into an NBA franchise (especially when there already is one in Los Angeles)? |
I was talking about the WNBA. If that’s what you meant, I think most of us agree there’s no good “business” reason to own a WNBA team (ask Jimmy Dolan) unless the environment changes. You’re not likely to get a great return on the investment. You do it not for greed but for the enjoyment of it or to be helpful (philanthropic?) That’s why I emphasized how rich he is.... the WNBA needs owners rich enough that every dollar that they have doesn’t have to go towards accumulating more wealth. Take Glen Taylor, for instance. And if Kobe has the passion for women’s basketball like he tweets, then I would think he would be a perfect owner for a team.
He directed Skylar Diggins in that BodyArmor commercial she was in recently, so he really does recognize WNBA as a legit sport and doesn’t shy away from it. It doesn’t hurt to present the idea of owning a team to him. The more teams we have, the bigger following the sport will have.
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| Posted: 04/25/18 2:42 pm ::: |
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Remember that you're going to lose $2 million a year owning a WNBA franchise, and it's not worth anything.
Hard to justify ...
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Remember that you're going to lose $2 million a year owning a WNBA franchise, and it's not worth anything.
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If it’s poorly run, you might lose $2 million. Half are making money.
Like I said, you’re not looking for big return on an investment. Are you mocking all the current owners?
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| Posted: 04/25/18 3:11 pm ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
Remember that you're going to lose $2 million a year owning a WNBA franchise, and it's not worth anything.
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If it’s poorly run, you might lose $2 million. Half are making money.
Like I said, you’re not looking for big return on an investment. Are you mocking all the current owners? |
From a financial perspective, having the Connecticut Sun and Las Vegas Aces are major coups by the W. Both franchises are owned by casino enterprises that also own the arenas in which they play. They also have on-site lodging, food, parking, etc. already built in. The infrastructure costs are lower as a result.
It also opens up the W to summer travelers to Vegas and CT (obviously, moreso to Vegas, given the location) who may not otherwise have attended a WNBA game but who could perhaps receive free or discounted tickets as a result of staying at the hotel/resort.
If there are other casino enterprises (with arenas) that want WNBA franchises that are (hopefully) in travel/tourist destinations, this should be a consideration.
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Yes, the WNBA has been mentioned on The Simpsons. Lisa Leslie was a guest voice._________________ If you cannot inspire yourself to read a book about women's basketball, or any book about women's sports, you cannot inspire any young girl or boy to write a book about them. http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Richardstrek |
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| Posted: 04/25/18 4:18 pm ::: |
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| Shades wrote: |
| Hey, I’ve been on Kobe’s case on twitter for being a proponent of women’s basketball and yet not owning a WNBA team. People should keep on him. His net worth is said to be in the third-of-a-billion range. |
What is the business reason for Kobe for investing millions into an NBA franchise (especially when there already is one in Los Angeles)? |
I was talking about the WNBA. If that’s what you meant, I think most of us agree there’s no good “business” reason to own a WNBA team (ask Jimmy Dolan) unless the environment changes. You’re not likely to get a great return on the investment. You do it not for greed but for the enjoyment of it or to be helpful (philanthropic?) That’s why I emphasized how rich he is.... the WNBA needs owners rich enough that every dollar that they have doesn’t have to go towards accumulating more wealth. Take Glen Taylor, for instance. And if Kobe has the passion for women’s basketball like he tweets, then I would think he would be a perfect owner for a team.
He directed Skylar Diggins in that UnderArmor commercial she was in recently, so he really does recognize WNBA as a legit sport and doesn’t shy away from it. It doesn’t hurt to present the idea of owning a team to him. The more teams we have, the bigger following the sport will have. |
So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around. If he doesn’t think it’s worth the investment why should he do it? None of what you said should dictate what he chooses to do with his own money. Most rich people aren’t going to throw their money away annually just to be “philanthropic”, and there’s nothing wrong with that because it’s his decision and money.
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| Posted: 04/25/18 4:33 pm ::: |
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So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around. |
Unless, of course, you are a Christian. Then charity is in fact required of you by order of Christ.
Of course to whom to give said charity to is up to the individual. But the tenents of the religion would argue that one has a moral imperative to be "philanthropic". And if Kobe does belive in what the WNBA stands for, why not extend himself in that direction?
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| Posted: 04/25/18 4:57 pm ::: |
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| So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around. |
Wait... do all WNBA fans consider investing in the league as “throwing your money around”? I guess I’ll ask you what I asked Clay. Are the current WNBA owners fools? Are we just benefiting from their foolishness?
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| If he doesn’t think it’s worth the investment why should he do it? None of what you said should dictate what he chooses to do with his own money. |
We really don’t know what he thinks about the idea of owning a team. You seem to be assuming he doesn’t want to because you think it’s a waste of money.
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| Most rich people aren’t going to throw their money away annually just to be “philanthropic”, and there’s nothing wrong with that because it’s his decision and money. |
You know what rich people do by personal experience? I know it’s his decision. That’s why you talk to the people who have the money and power to make things happen. He seems like the ideal owner, and if doesn’t want to do it, why should we expect anybody to do it?
I tweeted Magic about the idea of buying the Sparks before he actually did it. Now I’m doing the same with Kobe. If you love the WNBA, don’t hate on me. Wish me luck.
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| Posted: 04/25/18 6:31 pm ::: |
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| So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around. |
Wait... do all WNBA fans consider investing in the league as “throwing your money around”? I guess I’ll you what I asked Clay. Are the current WNBA owners fools? Are we just benefiting from their foolishness?
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| If he doesn’t think it’s worth the investment why should he do it? None of what you said should dictate what he chooses to do with his own money. |
We really don’t know what he thinks about the idea of owning a team. You seem to be assuming he doesn’t want to because you think it’s a waste of money.
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| Most rich people aren’t going to throw their money away annually just to be “philanthropic”, and there’s nothing wrong with that because it’s his decision and money. |
You know what rich people do by personal experience? I know it’s his decision. That’s why you talk to the people who have the money and power to make things happen. He seems like the ideal owner, and if doesn’t want to do it, why should we expect anybody to do it?
I tweeted Magic about the idea of buying the Sparks before he actually did it. Now I’m doing the same with Kobe. If you love the WNBA, don’t hate on me. Wish me luck. |
I'm absolutely wishing you luck! Although Kobe can understandably be a controversial figure, his support of women's bball has been great! (The beauty of having daughters). A secret (now, not so secret...lol!) dream of mine is to own one or be a part of an ownership group because I love and desire to support the league that much. I wonder if there are any possibilities of like a cooperative of fans/supporters coming together to buy a team.
Btw, does anyone know if Lisa is still a minor owner of the Sparks? I wonder what the the buy-in was for that.
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| Posted: 04/25/18 6:34 pm ::: |
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So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around. |
Unless, of course, you are a Christian. Then charity is in fact required of you by order of Christ.
Of course to whom to give said charity to is up to the individual. But the tenents of the religion would argue that one has a moral imperative to be "philanthropic". And if Kobe does belive in what the WNBA stands for, why not extend himself in that direction? |
Wow, is that the post-modern interpretation of the Gospels? That Christ ordered his peasant followers to fund a women's professional basketball team? Holy Mackerel, 2000 years of New Testament scholars have erroneously thought he was talking about charity towards the poor, the impoverished, the sick, the crippled, the blind, the dying, the beggars, the lepers, the oppressed, the prostitutes, and the tax collectors.
Well, maybe that does sound like a WNBA franchise. |
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| I agree with Shades. Keep on Kobe, especially the daughter connection and those which he has with Uconn players. It cannot hurt and it’s good for his future image.
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| TotalCardinalMove wrote: |
So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around. |
Unless, of course, you are a Christian. Then charity is in fact required of you by order of Christ.
Of course to whom to give said charity to is up to the individual. But the tenents of the religion would argue that one has a moral imperative to be "philanthropic". And if Kobe does belive in what the WNBA stands for, why not extend himself in that direction? |
Wow, is that the post-modern interpretation of the Gospels? That Christ ordered his peasant followers to fund a women's professional basketball team? Holy Mackerel, 2000 years of New Testament scholars have erroneously thought he was talking about charity towards the poor, the impoverished, the sick, the crippled, the blind, the dying, the beggars, the lepers, the oppressed, the prostitutes, and the tax collectors.
Well, maybe that does sound like a WNBA franchise. |
Yes, he was speaking directly about a women's basketball league. Or perhaps, as most of us were taught in Church, charity means doing whatever you can to make the world a better place, whether that be time, money, or other actions. So, yes, if Kobe feels like investing in the WNBA would help make the world a better place, that it is a question of more than just heartless capitalism, it would be charity in the way of Christ.
Or in the case of the original point, if you have a lot of money you are, in fact, expected to "throw your money around" towards something to help others. What that something constitutes is up to the individual.
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| Posted: 04/25/18 9:03 pm ::: |
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| Shades wrote: |
| Hey, I’ve been on Kobe’s case on twitter for being a proponent of women’s basketball and yet not owning a WNBA team. People should keep on him. His net worth is said to be in the third-of-a-billion range. |
What is the business reason for Kobe for investing millions into an NBA franchise (especially when there already is one in Los Angeles)? |
I was talking about the WNBA. If that’s what you meant, I think most of us agree there’s no good “business” reason to own a WNBA team (ask Jimmy Dolan) unless the environment changes. You’re not likely to get a great return on the investment. You do it not for greed but for the enjoyment of it or to be helpful (philanthropic?) That’s why I emphasized how rich he is.... the WNBA needs owners rich enough that every dollar that they have doesn’t have to go towards accumulating more wealth. Take Glen Taylor, for instance. And if Kobe has the passion for women’s basketball like he tweets, then I would think he would be a perfect owner for a team.
He directed Skylar Diggins in that UnderArmor commercial she was in recently, so he really does recognize WNBA as a legit sport and doesn’t shy away from it. It doesn’t hurt to present the idea of owning a team to him. The more teams we have, the bigger following the sport will have. |
I think Kobe Bryant if he wanted to would be a great and very passionate owner of a WNBA team, but seeing as he lives in LA, his family doesn't know anything but LA and he doesn't really have any connections as far as I know to another city in the USA other than the Philadelphia area what would be the incentive to own a team in a city he is not passionate about representing. As CamrnCrz174 mentioned there is already a team in LA. Based on the type of person he appears to be I think it would have to be something he is very passionate about, like when he was with the Lakers he always talked about representing Los Angeles, that was very important to him.
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| Posted: 04/25/18 9:17 pm ::: |
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| So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around. |
Wait... do all WNBA fans consider investing in the league as “throwing your money around”? I guess I’ll ask you what I asked Clay. Are the current WNBA owners fools? Are we just benefiting from their foolishness?
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| If he doesn’t think it’s worth the investment why should he do it? None of what you said should dictate what he chooses to do with his own money. |
We really don’t know what he thinks about the idea of owning a team. You seem to be assuming he doesn’t want to because you think it’s a waste of money.
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| Most rich people aren’t going to throw their money away annually just to be “philanthropic”, and there’s nothing wrong with that because it’s his decision and money. |
You know what rich people do by personal experience? I know it’s his decision. That’s why you talk to the people who have the money and power to make things happen. He seems like the ideal owner, and if doesn’t want to do it, why should we expect anybody to do it?
I tweeted Magic about the idea of buying the Sparks before he actually did it. Now I’m doing the same with Kobe. If you love the WNBA, don’t hate on me. Wish me luck. |
If so many people thought investing in a WNBA team was a good idea then you’d see multiple potential buyers on a consistent basis. If it was viewed as a good investment, so many teams wouldn’t be getting sold and relocated. It’s business, and it’s WELL documented that teams usually lose money. That’s a hard sell to anyone, and there’s nothing wrong with pointing that out. Kobe isn’t inclined to do anything. Your tweets aren’t as ifluentical and important as you think. Every rich person that supports the WNBA doesn’t have to be an owner. You can’t dictate what he does with his money, so why harass him?
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If so many people thought investing in a WNBA team was a good idea then you’d see multiple potential buyers on a consistent basis. If it was viewed as a good investment, so many teams wouldn’t be getting sold and relocated. It’s business, and it’s WELL documented that teams usually lose money. That’s a hard sell to anyone, and there’s nothing wrong with pointing that out. |
There was no need to point it out. I already pointed it out. Investing in the WNBA isn’t for the selfish.
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| Kobe isn’t inclined to do anything. Your tweets aren’t as ifluentical and important as you think. |
Ah, I think we’ve finally arrived at your issue. It’s not about the WNBA or Kobe. It’s about me. Well, if I do nothing, I can guarantee I won’t be ifluentical. You never know unless you try.
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| Every rich person that supports the WNBA doesn’t have to be an owner. You can’t dictate what he does with his money, so why harass him? |
Why do you refer to it as dictating and harassing? I just present the idea to him just in case it hasn’t occurred to him. If he hears it enough, maybe he’ll check into it. Maybe he already has.
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| I think Kobe Bryant if he wanted to would be a great and very passionate owner of a WNBA team |
Thank you! I agree.
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| but seeing as he lives in LA, his family doesn't know anything but LA and he doesn't really have any connections as far as I know to another city in the USA |
He has an investment fund, so he has some connection to NYC. Maybe he could be a buyer for the Liberty? Any Liberty fans like that idea?
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| Philadelphia area what would be the incentive to own a team in a city he is not passionate about representing. |
How can he not be passionate about investing in his hometown? Philly would be a great site for a new team. Maybe relocate the Liberty team?
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| As CamrnCrz174 mentioned there is already a team in LA. Based on the type of person he appears to be I think it would have to be something he is very passionate about, like when he was with the Lakers he always talked about representing Los Angeles, that was very important to him. |
Well he is constantly evolving if people haven’t noticed. Kobe, Inc can reach beyond Los Angeles and he doesn’t necessarily have to be a doting hands-on owner.
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| I think Kobe Bryant if he wanted to would be a great and very passionate owner of a WNBA team |
Thank you! I agree.
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| but seeing as he lives in LA, his family doesn't know anything but LA and he doesn't really have any connections as far as I know to another city in the USA |
He has an investment fund, so he has some connection to NYC. Maybe he could be a buyer for the Liberty? Any Liberty fans like that idea?
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| Philadelphia area what would be the incentive to own a team in a city he is not passionate about representing. |
How can he not be passionate about investing in his hometown? Philly would be a great site for a new team. Maybe relocate the Liberty team?
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| As CamrnCrz174 mentioned there is already a team in LA. Based on the type of person he appears to be I think it would have to be something he is very passionate about, like when he was with the Lakers he always talked about representing Los Angeles, that was very important to him. |
Well he is constantly evolving if people haven’t noticed. Kobe, Inc can reach beyond Los Angeles and he doesn’t necessarily have to be a doting hands-on owner. |
The thing that would make him a great owner is his want to be hands on and his knowledge of the game and people to put them in the right situation to succeed, just being there for the money and being hands off doesn't seem like his style, nor would that be something that would make him a great owner in my opinion. Now sure he could do that and if he wanted to that wouldn't be a bad thing, but to me that isn't why I think he would be a great owner. To me his passion for the sport, knowledge of the sport and his desire to succeed would make him a great owner and I think he would very much need to be hands on for those to fully.
As for the part about he can reach beyond Los Angeles. The only reason I brought up he passion for representing Los Angeles is because that is where he lives and he has said he is passionate about representing Los Angeles. I'm sure if he wanted to he could own a team anywhere, he could even own a team in another country if he wanted to, but based on who he has shown to be, it doesn't seem like he would want to do that, not because he can't reach out of Los Angeles, or has not pull to get things done outside of Los Angeles, but because when you own a team you are representing that city/state/country, and I believe that part means a lot to him so it would play a big role in him owning a team. And that's not saying he dislikes any city/state/country, but if he has no connection to them I don't see it as being something he would do.
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