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PostPosted: 04/13/18 9:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I have talked to Whalen, albeit a long time ago, and she was not a good interview.

But your points about the lack of downside are good ones, assuming that there's enough local talent to win some games -- because sooner or later, and mostly sooner, you have to win to recruit talent.

Not being on the road to recruit during the summer is also an issue, especially now that the fall viewing period is gone. Whalen needs to be in about 20 places at once this spring, but she's nothing if not a warrior, so as pointed out, there's a reward that goes with the risk.

Again, though, are there enough Minnesota/regional girls who will come to Minnesota because of Whalen to go .500 in the Big 10?


Have you watched her interviews recently? She’s definitely come into her own don’t you think?

I hope she’s successful at Minnesota 👍🏻


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PostPosted: 04/14/18 3:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Have you watched her interviews recently? She’s definitely come into her own don’t you think?

I hope she’s successful at Minnesota 👍🏻


Her first interview as coach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0VOhbXtwlk


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Whalen is a gamble, but any assistant coach getting their first head coaching job is also a gamble since you have nothing to go on other than how they sound in an interview and any references with regard to assistant coaching, which is a huge dropoff from being able to look at how they did at a previous head coaching job(s). They may deserve a significant amount of credit for what a previous team did while they were an assistant (and that success is always mentioned on their roster page) but it would take inside knowledge (biased to some degree) from players and other coaches to really know.

Recruiting is a large part of how successful a college coach will be, and I would think that former pro players would have an advantage, with former pro stars having an even bigger advantage. But I don't know if it worked/works that way for ex-pros like Cynthia Cooper, Jennifer Azzi, and Jennifer Rizzotti (and others), or whether the degree to which you were a star matters. Staley has gotten good recruits and transfers at South Carolina. Not sure how she did at Temple. Whalen doesn't have any charisma in interviews, but her teammates have made favorable comments about her locker room personality, so maybe she can use "jock charm" to get young high school jocks to want to play for her, and then keep them happy once enrolled.


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PostPosted: 04/15/18 9:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

[/quote]

Her first interview as coach

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0VOhbXtwlk[/url][/quote]

Uh, that was, ah, very, uh, unimpressive and, uh, not very, ah, motivating.


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PostPosted: 04/15/18 10:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Uh, that was, ah, very, uh, unimpressive and, uh, not very, ah, motivating.

I think people are confusing being a good orator and being good in interviews with having a magnetic personality. Put her in a room with people and she will have the entire place laughing in no time. She is very charismatic. She's never going to "win the press conference", but neither does Nick Saban or Bill Belichick (or countless other coaches).



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I’m going against both Clay and Justin by saying she IS charming but NOT charismatic... certainly not to the level of most elite coaches. It’s just never been her nature to be charismatic. I do think she’s intelligent, witty, and remarkably poised. I’m not sure who would be her personality equivalent among top coaches.... maybe Gary Blair? Always kind of laid back. Maybe I just have a different definition of charisma than Justin uses.



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Maybe I just have a different definition of charisma than Justin uses.

I think that's the case, as I think we are describing the same thing, just using different terms for it. She's not charismatic in the overly outgoing, center of attention kind of way. It's just more of the feeling of genuinely wanting to be around her. Witty was a great adjective for her, and she definitely knows how to put people at ease.



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PostPosted: 04/15/18 12:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Maybe I just have a different definition of charisma than Justin uses.

I think that's the case, as I think we are describing the same thing, just using different terms for it. She's not charismatic in the overly outgoing, center of attention kind of way. It's just more of the feeling of genuinely wanting to be around her. Witty was a great adjective for her, and she definitely knows how to put people at ease.


All of this is encouraging, and I certainly hope she does well.

I still want to know, though, if there are enough players in Minnesota to go .500 in the Big 10 ...



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justintyme wrote:
Shades wrote:
Maybe I just have a different definition of charisma than Justin uses.

I think that's the case, as I think we are describing the same thing, just using different terms for it. She's not charismatic in the overly outgoing, center of attention kind of way. It's just more of the feeling of genuinely wanting to be around her. Witty was a great adjective for her, and she definitely knows how to put people at ease.


All of this is encouraging, and I certainly hope she does well.

I still want to know, though, if there are enough players in Minnesota to go .500 in the Big 10 ...

I already answered that earlier. If a coach kept all the regional players home, then yes there is enough to at least be competitive in the Big 10. Historically Minnesota has watched many of their top players (Tayler Hill, Nia Coffey, Nia Hollie, Madison Guebert, etc) leave the state.



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PostPosted: 04/15/18 1:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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ClayK wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Shades wrote:
Maybe I just have a different definition of charisma than Justin uses.

I think that's the case, as I think we are describing the same thing, just using different terms for it. She's not charismatic in the overly outgoing, center of attention kind of way. It's just more of the feeling of genuinely wanting to be around her. Witty was a great adjective for her, and she definitely knows how to put people at ease.


All of this is encouraging, and I certainly hope she does well.

I still want to know, though, if there are enough players in Minnesota to go .500 in the Big 10 ...

I already answered that earlier. If a coach kept all the regional players home, then yes there is enough to at least be competitive in the Big 10. Historically Minnesota has watched many of their top players (Tayler Hill, Nia Coffey, Nia Hollie, Madison Guebert, etc) leave the state.


I would also add Jessica January, Rebekah Dahlman To that list.


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PostPosted: 04/15/18 3:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Just in 2016, Minnesota missed out on Nia Hollie (MSU), Taylor Koenen(UNC), Abi Scheid (Northwestern), Jamie Ruden(ASU), Courtney Frederickson(Wisconsin), Kiara Russell(ASU), and Maddie McKeever (S Dakota). Plus many other very talented players that went to lower level D1 schools. And we have this much talent nearly every year.


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PostPosted: 04/15/18 3:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Shades wrote:
Maybe I just have a different definition of charisma than Justin uses.

I think that's the case, as I think we are describing the same thing, just using different terms for it. She's not charismatic in the overly outgoing, center of attention kind of way. It's just more of the feeling of genuinely wanting to be around her. Witty was a great adjective for her, and she definitely knows how to put people at ease.


All of this is encouraging, and I certainly hope she does well.

I still want to know, though, if there are enough players in Minnesota to go .500 in the Big 10 ...


They were 11-5 this year. Carlie Wagner and Kenisha Bell were the key players on the team. Not seeing the point of this line of questioning. Are you implying there’s not much talent in Minnesota? Does this constitute trolling of the Minnesota fans, or genuine lack of knowledge? It’s pretty subtle but I think it does. If Minnesota can land Paige Bueckers, we’ll do quite well (if Whalen can coach).



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Shades wrote:
ClayK wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Shades wrote:
Maybe I just have a different definition of charisma than Justin uses.

I think that's the case, as I think we are describing the same thing, just using different terms for it. She's not charismatic in the overly outgoing, center of attention kind of way. It's just more of the feeling of genuinely wanting to be around her. Witty was a great adjective for her, and she definitely knows how to put people at ease.


All of this is encouraging, and I certainly hope she does well.

I still want to know, though, if there are enough players in Minnesota to go .500 in the Big 10 ...


They were 11-5 this year. Carlie Wagner and Kenisha Bell were the key players on the team. Not seeing the point of this line of questioning. Are you implying there’s not much talent in Minnesota? Does this constitute trolling of the Minnesota fans, or genuine lack of knowledge? It’s pretty subtle but I think it does. If Minnesota can land Paige Bueckers, we’ll do quite well (if Whalen can coach).


God forbid we'd troll any fans on here.

The validity of this question with regards to homespun talent is based on the assumption that hiring the "local hero" is going to keep the local talent at home. So it's reasonable to assess the local talent.

I feel Minnesota has a strong enough regional base that if Whalen can keep some of the local talent home each year the Gophs can go at least .500 in the league (this assumes Whalen can X and O effectively). B1G schools in general, recruit regionally and most of them are terrible and securing their regional footprints against those schools who recruit nationally. So I think if Whalen can keep some of the talent home that is drawn off each year and that she can coach, a middling finish in the BIG is doable.

What makes programs like Michigan, Maryland strong are that they secure talent outside their region. Purdue does this as well but not as successfulLy.

Of course if you get a Bueckers to stay in state that takes you to another level.



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Kamie Ethreridge, who has coached at Northern Colorado the last 4 years, is the new coach at Washington State.



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ClayK wrote:

I still want to know, though, if there are enough players in Minnesota to go .500 in the Big 10 ...


According to ESPNW HoopGurlz, the number of players from Minnesota in their rankings:

2015 - 1 in the top 100 (Madison Guebert 83)
2016 - 4 in the top 100 (Jamie Ruden 39, Taylor Koenen 44, Abi Scheid 66, Nia Hollie 71)
2017 - 1 in the top 100 (Rachel Ranke 59)
2018 - 0 in the top 100
2019 - 0 in the top 60
2020 - 1 in the top 25 (Paige Bueckers 6)
2021 - 0 in the top 27

Based on these data, I'd say no UMN coach could be .500 in the Big 10 if they only recruited MN players. I'd also say that no UMN coach would get all the MN players.

The surrounding states are Wisconsin, Iowa, North Dakota and South Dakota. I'm not going to research how many ranked players come are from those states, but I imagine any UMN coach would have to get a lot of the top ones from that five state region to be .500, and would probably have to have recruiting credibility beyond that.

Again, I don't see this recruiting issue being specific to Whalen, except to the extent she has no recruiting history whereas an established head coach or even assistants would have current recruiting records.


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Based on these data, I'd say no UMN coach could be .500 in the Big 10 if they only recruited MN players.


That's funny, I read that same data as demonstrating that by adding those players a team could easily be in the top half of the Big 10.

To be on this list we are talking 4 star recruits. Adding multiple 4 star recruits to a team (assuming just average recruiting nationally) would be more than enough for the lowis h bar we are talking about. And if you add a 5 star talent like Bueckers, competing nationally would even be on the table.



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For 2018, we had Chrissy Carr, but they left because of the scandal with her dad. Even so, Carmen Backes ( heading to Wisconsin ) is better than Chrissy, but only was not ranked as high because she had an ACL her junior year and did not play.


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Plus, the AAU scene her is top-notch. Why else would pmayers such as Arike Ogunbowake, Hannah Stewart, and Dru Gylten travel 7-10 hours each way every weekend to play for North Tartan?


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The data average out to one ranked player from MN per year. If a coach only got MN players, that would be enough to be .500 in the Big 10? I doubt that. UConn would be last in the AAC if all it got were players from Connecticut. Both Minnesota's and Connecticut's populations are too small. On the other hand, coaches in Texas, California and a few other states could have powerhouses if they got all the good players from their states.

In fact, UMN got none of the ranked players on the list. Yet, they did beat .500 this past year.
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In fact, UMN got none of the ranked players on the list. Yet, they did beat .500 this past year.

That's the point...

Minnesota is not far off from the standard Clay asked about. And they do it while watching their top talent flee the state. You bring in the same team and add the best two or three players from Minnesota each year, where do you think they will be?

As for UCONN (or any school for that matter), why would they only get players from one state. No team it going to attempt to don't that. The question here is about whether Minnesota has enough high-end talent so that keeping them home will elevate a team, not if a team could be made solely of Minnesota born players. I mean, this isn't hockey.

The idea was that Whalen's name, and the unique nature of Minnesota's #OneOfUs focus, will give her a huge advantage recruiting in state, and a moderate advantage recruiting regionally. It is still assumed that she can recruit out of state at a reasonable level, but just that her name won't give her some major advantage.



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For 2018, we had Chrissy Carr, but they left because of the scandal with her dad. Even so, Carmen Backes ( heading to Wisconsin ) is better than Chrissy, but only was not ranked as high because she had an ACL her junior year and did not play.


Explain, please? We are not all frm Minnesota.



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For 2018, we had Chrissy Carr, but they left because of the scandal with her dad. Even so, Carmen Backes ( heading to Wisconsin ) is better than Chrissy, but only was not ranked as high because she had an ACL her junior year and did not play.


Explain, please? We are not all frm Minnesota.

Chrissy's father, Chris, was head coach of boy's basketball at Minnetonka.

Some teen boy hits her.

Dad uses his position as coach to gain access to school grounds, where he then confronts the boy, grabbing him by the jacket.

Kid claims coach choked him, and kid's mother demands criminal charges be brought.

Coach was put on leave while it was investigated, and the school ultimately concluded that there was no choking (multiple witnesses backed up the coach's story and said it was actually the kid who tried to choke the father). No criminal charges are brought, but the father is still fired since he used his position to gain access to the school and they felt he should have notified others rather than confront the kid himself.

Chris Carr ultimately finds a new job in Kansas, and his daughter follows him.

If he had remained coach at Minnetonka, presumably Chrissy would have played there as well, and would have been considered "from Minnesota" for the purposes of the data Glenn shared.



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Chrissy played for Minnetonka High School and her dad Chris was the boys varsity coach. He also ran the 43 Hoops AAUClub here. Mid-season, 2 years ago, he was suddenly fired, and took off for Kansas. Chrissy was briefly on my daughters’ AAU team, so we heard a few things - Rumors of police reports and Chris hitting a kid who had some sort of interaction with Chrissy. Many differing versions of what happened, from players at that school...

http://m.startribune.com/minnetonka-boys-basketball-coach-carr-put-on-administrative-leave/362998551/

http://www.citypages.com/news/minnetonka-schools-remain-oddly-silent-after-teen-assaults-chris-carrs-daughter-8036353


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All of that is great, but can she recruit? That's job one, two, three and four in college basketball.

She's Lindsay Whalen...

I don't know if it's possible to overstate what that means in Minnesota, and in recruiting Minnesota (and other regional) girls.

Regionally that is all that matters, her legend sells itself. Nationally, we will see. But being able to get the top local girls will put the Gophers ahead of the game for once.


She probably has much less influence with high school girl basketball players than she does with Lynx fans. ClayK (maybe the only person who coaches high school basketball here) says that high school players don't follow the WNBA. If they follow the colleges they are considering for playing at, Whalen would have pre-dated their interest.




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I was responding to Clay's question, which I interpreted to be a hypothetical one relating to a team made up only of Minnesota high school players. I realize that that's not the situation with UMN or any team, but it is a way to focus on how much talent is in Minnesota alone, because the claim was that Whalen could appeal to that talent more than some other coach.

The fact is that UMN has only a small minority of in-state players, and I agree that if it kept up it's out-of-state and international recruiting and added to that more talented Minnesota players, the team should improve. However, there's simply not that much ranked talent in a small population, demographically low black, northern state such as Minnesota.

I've never been questioning the choice of Whalen. I think it's as good a move as UMN could have made. However, like others, I have reasonable doubts about how good a recruiter she will be, partially because I too perceive her as a rather reserved personality but mostly because she has absolutely no experience or record as a recruiter. Other than Dawn Staley, what WNBA stars have become successful college head coaches, especially as their first coaching job?
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Other than Dawn Staley, what WNBA stars have become successful college head coaches, especially as their first coaching job?


Cynthia Cooper had success at her first school - Prairie View A&M. Conference standing - [T-8th, T-1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd]. Her next two stops were only two years and one year, but her conference records were good - [T-2nd, T-4th, 1st]. At USC she won the PAC-12 tournament with her predecessors recruits her first year, but her conference standing was worse each year for four years. I assume reflecting poor recruiting, in addition to injuries her final year.


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tfan wrote:
justintyme wrote:
ClayK wrote:
All of that is great, but can she recruit? That's job one, two, three and four in college basketball.

She's Lindsay Whalen...

I don't know if it's possible to overstate what that means in Minnesota, and in recruiting Minnesota (and other regional) girls.

Regionally that is all that matters, her legend sells itself. Nationally, we will see. But being able to get the top local girls will put the Gophers ahead of the game for once.


She probably has much less influence with high school girl basketball players than she does with Lynx fans. ClayK (maybe the only person who coaches high school basketball here) says that high school players don't follow the WNBA. If they follow the colleges they are considering for playing at, Whalen would have pre-dated their interest.


http://www.startribune.com/gophers-athletic-director-expects-lindsay-whalen-to-do-well-in-recruiting/479785303/
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The top prep prospect in the state, regardless of class, is Hopkins sophomore guard Paige Bueckers, who ranks as ESPN’s No. 6 overall player in 2020.

Bueckers, who has a scholarship offer from UConn, is too young for Whalen to contact right now, but the Gophers likely have a better shot at landing her having a local legend as their coach.

“It’s a great hire,” said Bueckers’ high school coach, Brian Cosgriff, rattling off Whalen’s high school, college, WNBA and Olympic accolades. “How much better are you going to do? I’m glad they did it quickly because it’s a big recruiting season, and it’s coming soon.”

Cosgriff didn’t want to speculate how much Whalen’s presence means to Bueckers’ college decision.

“It’s not going to hurt, I can tell you that,” he said. “I think she kind of changed the face of Minnesota basketball, I really do. There’s really not much more she can do [as a player]. I think it’s a great hire.”


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"Recruiting is going to be the biggest thing with her,” said Rachel Banham, the Gophers’ all-time leading scorer. “Being a Minnesota kid and playing for the Lynx, every single person is going to know her and what she did. That already gives her one up on anybody who is going to recruit Minnesota kids. I think kids are going to get excited. How cool is that to play for Lindsay Whalen? Just saying that is awesome. I think if I was in high school and she offered me I would immediately say, ‘Yes.’ ”



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justintyme wrote:
tfan wrote:
justintyme wrote:
ClayK wrote:
All of that is great, but can she recruit? That's job one, two, three and four in college basketball.

She's Lindsay Whalen...

I don't know if it's possible to overstate what that means in Minnesota, and in recruiting Minnesota (and other regional) girls.

Regionally that is all that matters, her legend sells itself. Nationally, we will see. But being able to get the top local girls will put the Gophers ahead of the game for once.


She probably has much less influence with high school girl basketball players than she does with Lynx fans. ClayK (maybe the only person who coaches high school basketball here) says that high school players don't follow the WNBA. If they follow the colleges they are considering for playing at, Whalen would have pre-dated their interest.


http://www.startribune.com/gophers-athletic-director-expects-lindsay-whalen-to-do-well-in-recruiting/479785303/
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The top prep prospect in the state, regardless of class, is Hopkins sophomore guard Paige Bueckers, who ranks as ESPN’s No. 6 overall player in 2020.

Bueckers, who has a scholarship offer from UConn, is too young for Whalen to contact right now, but the Gophers likely have a better shot at landing her having a local legend as their coach.

“It’s a great hire,” said Bueckers’ high school coach, Brian Cosgriff, rattling off Whalen’s high school, college, WNBA and Olympic accolades. “How much better are you going to do? I’m glad they did it quickly because it’s a big recruiting season, and it’s coming soon.”

Cosgriff didn’t want to speculate how much Whalen’s presence means to Bueckers’ college decision.

“It’s not going to hurt, I can tell you that,” he said. “I think she kind of changed the face of Minnesota basketball, I really do. There’s really not much more she can do [as a player]. I think it’s a great hire.”


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"Recruiting is going to be the biggest thing with her,” said Rachel Banham, the Gophers’ all-time leading scorer. “Being a Minnesota kid and playing for the Lynx, every single person is going to know her and what she did. That already gives her one up on anybody who is going to recruit Minnesota kids. I think kids are going to get excited. How cool is that to play for Lindsay Whalen? Just saying that is awesome. I think if I was in high school and she offered me I would immediately say, ‘Yes.’ ”


The male coach may be more excited than any of his players, but if Banham says high school girls will all know her and want to play for her - and that is true on both counts - then my assumption is wrong and that bodes well for Whalen and Minnesota. Although I think a top player of the USA Basketball team member and "people are talking about on college boards" ilk, will still have "where can I win a championship and they want me and I can also get playing time" as their top criteria.

One other factor with regard to "keeping in-state talent" is that, while you see players like Skylar Diggins wanting to stay very close to home, you will hear players say that they wanted to go to a college that was outside their home area (sometimes said as "close, but not too close to home"). 64% of the Minnesota population lives in the metro area of the University of Minnesota. But I don't know how common "wanting to get away from home" is for college students.


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Shades, no attempt to troll anyone ... I don't know much about Minnesota's talent pool except that North Tartan is a strong AAU program and the high schools can't travel much.

From Banham's quote, it would seem that the elite players in Minnesota will be well aware of Whalen, and it will be a significant recruiting advantage. Whether that in-state advantage will offset her lack of experience and limited recruiting time in the summer, from what I'm reading in this thread, is hard to say.

But Whalen is a winner, no question, and has gotten pretty much all she could out of her talent, so it's fair to speculate that she will do the same as a coach.

Getting Paige Bueckers would seem to be important, as she is a national level player. Few states/regions produce that kind of talent on a consistent basis, and getting the ones that do emerge to stay home is crucial. For example, if Cal had kept Ionescu instead of losing her to Oregon, how different are those two programs right now? The same can be said elsewhere, I'm sure, but that one jumps into my mind pretty quickly.

It would be great for Minnesota and the sport if Whalen succeeds -- and as pointed out, there's no good reason not to roll the dice.



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PostPosted: 04/16/18 12:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jackson State hires Tomekia Reed (Hinds CC HC)

https://twitter.com/JacksonStateU/status/985915812396650496


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I think Whalen should get Shannon (Bolden) Nelson to join her staff. She's a great recruiter in northern MN and she knows how to play defense. She won a D3 NJCAA title a few years back.



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adamj95 wrote:
I think Whalen should get Shannon (Bolden) Nelson to join her staff. She's a great recruiter in northern MN and she knows how to play defense. She won a D3 NJCAA title a few years back.


No, she’s getting a D1 head coach as a lead assistant to help make sure things get off in the right foot in this awkward situation.



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Shades wrote:
adamj95 wrote:
I think Whalen should get Shannon (Bolden) Nelson to join her staff. She's a great recruiter in northern MN and she knows how to play defense. She won a D3 NJCAA title a few years back.


No, she’s getting a D1 head coach as a lead assistant to help make sure things get off in the right foot in this awkward situation.


There's room for more than 1 assistant.



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Tina Thompson is the new coach at UVA.

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/041618aaa.html


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~UK~ wrote:
Tina Thompson is the new coach at UVA.

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/041618aaa.html


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PostPosted: 04/16/18 5:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Very interesting hire. And thank you for getting the thread back on track. The whole argument about Whalen would have been better given its own thread.


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WNBA 09 wrote:
~UK~ wrote:
Tina Thompson is the new coach at UVA.

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/041618aaa.html


Woah Shocked


Terrible hire, IMO! Tina has 0 HC experience, minimal AC experience(and the team she was an AC for never resembled the talent they had on their roster), and she has 0 ties to the East Coast. Good luck to her and I hope she returns UVa to their past status as a WCBB power, but I see this one as a major reach.


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Wazzu makes a good hire with Kamie Ethridge of Northern Colorado. I’m interested to see how she does.


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WNBA 09 wrote:
~UK~ wrote:
Tina Thompson is the new coach at UVA.

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/041618aaa.html


Woah Shocked


That is exactly what I said when I read this. Shocked



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Let T.T. earn that head coaching money. Give her the opportunity to sink or swim. She can become the next Pat Summit or Geno. The only way a person will learn how to drive a car is to get behind the steering wheel and drive.



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ucbart wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
~UK~ wrote:
Tina Thompson is the new coach at UVA.

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/041618aaa.html


Woah Shocked


Terrible hire, IMO! Tina has 0 HC experience, minimal AC experience(and the team she was an AC for never resembled the talent they had on their roster), and she has 0 ties to the East Coast. Good luck to her and I hope she returns UVa to their past status as a WCBB power, but I see this one as a major reach.


Who would you have picked instead?

I thought it was all but Tonya Cardoza’s job - but Carla Williams is the new AD and committed to women’s basketball.

Intriguing hire and I like it the more I think about it. Curious if she keeps LaKeshia Frett on the staff - she’s got a good core coming back from a top
30 NCAA team, too, not to mention a 6’9 player who is improving drastically in her game.


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[quote="PRballer"]
ucbart wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
~UK~ wrote:
Tina Thompson is the new coach at UVA.

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/041618aaa.html


Woah Shocked


Terrible hire, IMO! Tina has 0 HC experience, minimal AC experience(and the team she was an AC for never resembled the talent they had on their roster), and she has 0 ties to the East Coast. Good luck to her and I hope she returns UVa to their past status as a WCBB power, but I see this one as a major reach.


Who would you have picked instead?

I would’ve done everything I could to get Gail Goestenkors.


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Rock Hard wrote:
The only way a person will learn how to drive a car is to get behind the steering wheel and drive.


Yeah, but a person's first car is usually a 15 year old Chevy Impala with 125,000 miles on it rather than a 1 year old Mercedes with 5,000 miles.


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And most people usually have some instruction from a driver's ed class before they're licensed to take out that Mercedes.


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FrozenLVFan wrote:
And most people usually have some instruction from a driver's ed class before they're licensed to take out that Mercedes.


Or at least from a parent or something. Very few people get behind the wheel cold.



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PostPosted: 04/17/18 10:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I have been watching the board about the last 3 hires.So many people up in arms about Tina Thompson getting the UVA job.She does not have any HC experience but she been a assistant for the last three years.Also before that she Coaching on AAU circuit with AD elite in Texas.So she has been working toward her goal for the last 5 years.
Now everybody think Whalen is a great hire.I have a questions what has done to prepare for the job.No outrage about Whalen hire.Ethridge should got the Tech job.


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I agree with Allen ... there's a huge difference between spending three years as an assistant at a P5 program, paying your dues, and traveling the summer circuit as a coach, and never having coached at all at any level.

Of course, Whalen could succeed spectacularly and Thompson could fail, but insofar as experience matters, Thompson has a major advantage.



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Marisa Moseley to Boston U

http://goterriers.com/news/2018/4/17/marisa-moseley-04-named-head-coach-of-bu-womens-basketball.aspx?path=wbball

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Marisa Moseley '04, a standout on Boston University's 2003 NCAA Tournament team and a nine-year assistant coach at UConn, has returned to Commonwealth Avenue to become the Terriers' head coach of women's basketball



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https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/986315290035277825?s=20

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One of many names to come up for Lindsay Whalen's #Gophers staff, I hear: Mississippi St. ass't Carly Thibault-DuDonis.



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This is a free country and any individual, company, or organization can hire or spend their money on what pleases them. MAKE THAT MONEY T.T. !



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