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Nerd2
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Posted: 02/14/18 5:20 pm ::: |
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Does anyone know something about Loyd health? She didnt participate in all the exercises i think |
She did participate partially. She had a stress fracture of the foot which perhaps limited her.
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awhom111
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Shades
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Posted: 03/26/18 10:17 am ::: |
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Although it looks like it’s not going to happen with this current team, I wish they’d fast track Ionescu as a future face of Team USA women’s basketball.
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toad455
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Posted: 03/26/18 10:29 am ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
Although it looks like it’s not going to happen with this current team, I wish they’d fast track Ionescu as a future face of Team USA women’s basketball. |
Doesn't seem like it's going to happen for 2018. But I sure hope she's in the pool for 2020.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 03/26/18 10:44 am ::: |
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toad455 wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
Although it looks like it’s not going to happen with this current team, I wish they’d fast track Ionescu as a future face of Team USA women’s basketball. |
Doesn't seem like it's going to happen for 2018. But I sure hope she's in the pool for 2020. |
I hope she is on the 2020 team.
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Queenie
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Posted: 03/27/18 8:16 am ::: |
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Has Ionescu appeared as part of any USA team? They'd better cap her soon. There's a great article from the Oregonian that shows just how seriously she takes her Romanian heritage (http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2018/03/for_oregons_sabrina_ionescu_fa.html , you'll have to turn off your ad blocker but it's worth it) and I can see her deciding to single-handedly build a national team for them if she's eligible.
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pilight
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ClayK
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Posted: 03/27/18 9:05 am ::: |
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Sabrina Ionescu, in fact, broke out at the USA U16 trials. She was one of the uninvited who came to tryouts, and wound up making the team. (Those who think USA Basketball is all political should take note, as no one knew who she was when she got there ...)
Also, even though her parents are Romanian, my understanding is that her USA Basketball experience means she will always count as an American in overseas leagues.
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Shades
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Posted: 03/27/18 11:12 am ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
Also, even though her parents are Romanian, my understanding is that her USA Basketball experience means she will always count as an American in overseas leagues. |
Didn’t Vandersloot have USA Basketball experience? Pretty sure she did.
Seems like it doesn’t tie you down unless you actually play at the senior level.
https://www.usab.com/basketball/players/womens/v/vandersloot-courtney.aspx
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Named as a finalist for the 2016 U.S. Olympic Women's Basketball Team on Jan. 25, 2016. |
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Posted: 03/27/18 11:34 am ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
Also, even though her parents are Romanian, my understanding is that her USA Basketball experience means she will always count as an American in overseas leagues. |
Didn’t Vandersloot have USA Basketball experience? Pretty sure she did.
Seems like it doesn’t tie you down unless you actually play at the senior level.
https://www.usab.com/basketball/players/womens/v/vandersloot-courtney.aspx
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Named as a finalist for the 2016 U.S. Olympic Women's Basketball Team on Jan. 25, 2016. |
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dtsnms
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Posted: 03/27/18 11:46 am ::: |
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WNBA 09 wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
Also, even though her parents are Romanian, my understanding is that her USA Basketball experience means she will always count as an American in overseas leagues. |
Didn’t Vandersloot have USA Basketball experience? Pretty sure she did.
Seems like it doesn’t tie you down unless you actually play at the senior level.
https://www.usab.com/basketball/players/womens/v/vandersloot-courtney.aspx
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Named as a finalist for the 2016 U.S. Olympic Women's Basketball Team on Jan. 25, 2016. |
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I don't believe she's ever played in an actual competition for USA basketball, just camps.
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 03/27/18 12:52 pm ::: |
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She was near the bottom of the cumulative box score on the U16 and U17 teams. On the U23 team she averaged 10.3 PPG (behind Durr and Mitchell), 2.7 RPG and 2.0 APG. |
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bballjunkie
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Posted: 03/29/18 10:05 am ::: |
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[quote="ClayK"]Sabrina Ionescu, in fact, broke out at the USA U16 trials. She was one of the uninvited who came to tryouts, and wound up making the team. (Those who think USA Basketball is all political should take note, as no one knew who she was when she got there ...)
Also, even though her parents are Romanian, my understanding is that her USA Basketball experience means she will always count as an American in overseas leagues.[/quote]
From what I understand under 19 doesn’t count so she can play for Romania which would be a good bet for her as she likes to run the show.
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pilight
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Posted: 03/29/18 10:20 am ::: |
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From what I understand under 19 doesn’t count so she can play for Romania which would be a good bet for her as she likes to run the show. |
Does her appearance on the U24 team at the Four Nations tournament count?
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awhom111
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Posted: 03/29/18 8:21 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
bballjunkie wrote: |
From what I understand under 19 doesn’t count so she can play for Romania which would be a good bet for her as she likes to run the show. |
Does her appearance on the U24 team at the Four Nations tournament count? |
The Four Nations Tournament was not a FIBA event so it does not count.
Playing for youth national teams does not mean that you cannot switch, but it does require paperwork and other administrative steps.
I would assume any future move to Romania would be a financial consideration for club play, which is the usual reason for Americans to want to be considered European, and not for national team reasons. |
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Nerd2
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Posted: 03/30/18 2:03 am ::: |
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bballjunkie wrote: |
From what I understand under 19 doesn’t count so she can play for Romania which would be a good bet for her as she likes to run the show. |
A good bet for her? Really?
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Richyyy
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Posted: 03/30/18 2:34 am ::: |
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Plenty of players who 'like to run the show' have managed to settle in just fine with Team USA when it meant winning boatloads of medals. You either fit in with the team ethos a bit, or you get so damn good that you're pretty much running the show for the US as well. Neither of those would particularly surprise me with Ionescu.
And players that heavily entrenched within the USA Basketball system rarely switch countries, certainly not until years later when it's become clear that making the final 12 for tournaments is unlikely. With a name like Ionescu I'd imagine the Romanian hierarchy have already contacted her and offered her a place on their team, and she's chosen to go with the US instead. I'd imagine she'll be American for the forseeable future. |
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ClayK
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Posted: 03/30/18 9:20 am ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
Plenty of players who 'like to run the show' have managed to settle in just fine with Team USA when it meant winning boatloads of medals. You either fit in with the team ethos a bit, or you get so damn good that you're pretty much running the show for the US as well. Neither of those would particularly surprise me with Ionescu.
And players that heavily entrenched within the USA Basketball system rarely switch countries, certainly not until years later when it's become clear that making the final 12 for tournaments is unlikely. With a name like Ionescu I'd imagine the Romanian hierarchy have already contacted her and offered her a place on their team, and she's chosen to go with the US instead. I'd imagine she'll be American for the forseeable future. |
One would think ... but when I talked to Sabrina's dad, he really had no idea about any of this, hadn't been approached by the Romanians and didn't really know about the advantages of being considered European. And he has been hugely into her career since fourth grade.
This was prior to this season, though, so maybe Romania woke up. But maybe they don't care very much, as one would have thought they would have approached her after she was MVP of the McDonald's game.
(I will check with USA Basketball on eligibility. Someone told me Sabrina could never be considered European because she played for USA Basketball in FIBA-sanctioned events.)
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fanaticka
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Posted: 03/30/18 1:12 pm ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
Richyyy wrote: |
Plenty of players who 'like to run the show' have managed to settle in just fine with Team USA when it meant winning boatloads of medals. You either fit in with the team ethos a bit, or you get so damn good that you're pretty much running the show for the US as well. Neither of those would particularly surprise me with Ionescu.
And players that heavily entrenched within the USA Basketball system rarely switch countries, certainly not until years later when it's become clear that making the final 12 for tournaments is unlikely. With a name like Ionescu I'd imagine the Romanian hierarchy have already contacted her and offered her a place on their team, and she's chosen to go with the US instead. I'd imagine she'll be American for the forseeable future. |
One would think ... but when I talked to Sabrina's dad, he really had no idea about any of this, hadn't been approached by the Romanians and didn't really know about the advantages of being considered European. And he has been hugely into her career since fourth grade.
This was prior to this season, though, so maybe Romania woke up. But maybe they don't care very much, as one would have thought they would have approached her after she was MVP of the McDonald's game.
(I will check with USA Basketball on eligibility. Someone told me Sabrina could never be considered European because she played for USA Basketball in FIBA-sanctioned events.) |
I think there are two different questions which can be important for Ionescu.
1) What national team can she play for.
2) What nationality can she have.
I believe she can have two passports (idk if she does), American and Romanian at once. Which would make her a citizen of the EU and therefore she can be counted as a European on any roster in Europe. Even if she was a US national team member. That would be an advantage for her when getting a contract in Europe.
If she has played for US national team after she turned 18, she cannot play for Romania anymore. Has she?
more on this: http://www.fiba.basketball/downloads/v3_expe/agen/docs/3-ELIGIBILITY-NATIONAL-STATUS-of-%20PLAYERS.pdf
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Richyyy
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Posted: 03/30/18 2:13 pm ::: |
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fanaticka wrote: |
I believe she can have two passports (idk if she does), American and Romanian at once. Which would make her a citizen of the EU and therefore she can be counted as a European on any roster in Europe. Even if she was a US national team member. That would be an advantage for her when getting a contract in Europe. |
Nah, they closed that hole several years ago. Nowadays, if you actually play for a country at senior level in FIBA competition, that's locked as your nationality for club basketball. So even if, say, Diana Taurasi has strong enough Italian roots to claim a passport, she'd still count as American for her club. |
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ClayK
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Posted: 03/30/18 3:02 pm ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
fanaticka wrote: |
I believe she can have two passports (idk if she does), American and Romanian at once. Which would make her a citizen of the EU and therefore she can be counted as a European on any roster in Europe. Even if she was a US national team member. That would be an advantage for her when getting a contract in Europe. |
Nah, they closed that hole several years ago. Nowadays, if you actually play for a country at senior level in FIBA competition, that's locked as your nationality for club basketball. So even if, say, Diana Taurasi has strong enough Italian roots to claim a passport, she'd still count as American for her club. |
So is it only the senior level? In other words, if Sabrina never made the
WNT, she could be a European in terms of club ball?
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