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pilight
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purduefanatic
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Rock Hard
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Posted: 04/04/18 9:00 am ::: |
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Give the women the opportunity to sink or swim. They cannot find out what they can do if you don't give them the opportunity.
_________________ You can win, as long as you keep your head to the SKY! Be OPTIMISTIC!
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petrel
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purduefanatic
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Posted: 04/04/18 9:27 am ::: |
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Rock Hard wrote: |
Give the women the opportunity to sink or swim. They cannot find out what they can do if you don't give them the opportunity. |
Absolutely. Carol Owens didn't do so well as a HC at her alma mater, Northern Illinois, where she was enshrined in their Hall of Fame. Beth Cunningham had a decent run at VCU, but was ultimately let go after 11 years. Niele Ivey has not been a HC yet as far as I know.
Chris Dailey is not leaving UConn. Shea Ralph and Marisa Moseley have not been HC's yet.
Do you really think if the AD at a school like Texas Tech got a call from Geno or Muffet saying one of their assistant coaches would be interested in the head coaching job that they wouldn't listen?
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summertime blues
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Rock Hard
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Posted: 04/04/18 7:38 pm ::: |
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I'm from the old school where money talks and bullsh** walks. Schaefer did not leave Texas A&M for a rock bottom salary.
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petrel
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Posted: 04/05/18 11:52 am ::: |
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Being posted at Suzie McConnell-Serio got the hook after five years at Pittsburgh. 67-87 record in five years, 22-58 in ACC, only one post-season appearance (NCAA 2015).
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 04/05/18 12:12 pm ::: |
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purduefanatic wrote: |
Niele Ivey has not been a HC yet as far as I know. |
Niele Ivey was a finalist for the Vanderbilt job (along with Princeton HC Courtney Banghart) back in 2016. Vanderbilt ended up hiring Stephanie White.
Ivey may not yet have been a head coach, but is it possible she is the "coach in waiting" at Notre Dame? Muffet McGraw will be 63 years old in December. If Muffet decides that she only wants to coach for 5 more years, would Notre Dame immediately elevate Ivey from Associate Head Coach to Head Coach, given her status as a former player, a stellar recruiter, and a longtime Associate Head Coach?
On the other hand, there were a number of people at Duke who would love Ivey to take over for Joanne P. McCallie, should Coach P not have her contract renewed (which was recently extended through 2020-21). And I think Ivey could be the coach who can recruit at an academic institution like Duke (she is already doing it at Notre Dame) and return Duke to the heyday of the Goestenkors era.
But why would Ivey want to take a head job at a conference rival (I use the term "rival" to mean another team in the ACC, as Notre Dame's dominance of Duke does not lend itself much to a rivalry), when she might become the head coach at her alma mater? And why would Ivey want the Duke job, unless Muffet McGraw plans to coach for another decade and Ivey wants to prove her head coaching chops at another school (maybe before coming back and taking over for Muffet)?
In any event, given Ivey's reputation as a stellar recruiter, her relationships that she builds with the Notre Dame players, her ability to recruit at a high-level academic institution, her Xs and Os abilities (and knowledge of the game as a playmaker) and her age (she just turned 40), she is going to be in high demand for any school that is a looking for the "next big thing" in WCBB coaches.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 04/05/18 12:35 pm ::: |
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petrel wrote: |
Being posted at Suzie McConnell-Serio got the hook after five years at Pittsburgh. 67-87 record in five years, 22-58 in ACC, only one post-season appearance (NCAA 2015). |
She is a good coach and needs to get out of the ACC. Right now Pitt is a sink and I'm not sure who they need or what needs to be done. Suzie might need a breather at a good mid, or some other conference entirely.
Someone mentioned on Twitter last night that BU was interested in Felisha Leggette-Jack. IMNSHO they can be interested all they want, but why in the everlasting hell she would want to go there would be beyond me.
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pilight
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Posted: 04/05/18 12:41 pm ::: |
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I can't imagine Ivey wants to wait five more years to be a head coach. She's already eight years older than McGraw was when she took the Notre Dame job.
Duke is a long way from her midwestern recruiting connections. She might be better off going to Pitt, especially if she's just getting her feet wet before returning to ND.
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 04/05/18 1:05 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
I can't imagine Ivey wants to wait five more years to be a head coach. She's already eight years older than McGraw was when she took the Notre Dame job. |
It was also a different era. Muffet took over as a high school coach immediately after graduating from college. Ivey played in the WNBA for five seasons before being an administrative assistant at Xavier under (former McGraw assistant) Kevin McGuff.
Again, this is also assuming she wants to be a head coach at some place other than Notre Dame, should Muffet McGraw continue to coach for several years.
Also, Ivey's son is 15 years old. Perhaps she does not want to uproot him from his high school. When she was a finalist at Vanderbilt, her son was in 7th grade. If she does want to be a head coach, perhaps she waits until after he graduates.
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Duke is a long way from her midwestern recruiting connections. She might be better off going to Pitt, especially if she's just getting her feet wet before returning to ND. |
Except if Ivey is used to recruiting at an elite academic institution and using that as a integral component of her recruiting pitch, Pitt is not of the same caliber as Notre Dame.
I had a similar discussion with one of fellow Duke MBB insiders about Jeff Capel taking the Pitt men's job (and, in my opinion, why Xavier was a better job). Gail Goestenors struggled at Texas with recruiting, by not having the elite Duke academics and small student/faculty ratio as part of the sales pitch (to say nothing of how Chris Plonsky all but sabotaged in-state recruiting with her statements about Clarissa Davis-Wrightstil, who, in turn, made sure that Texas paid for those comments and that in-state recruiting would suffer under Conradt's replacement...but that is another story).
Also, why is Pitt an attractive job to Ivey (other than geography) when it is a program that has only made 4 NCAA Tournament appearances in the 38-year history of the NCAAT? And would Ivey really want to compete at a conference "rival" with Notre Dame?
Frankly, if you want Midwest recruiting roots, a good academic reputation (engineering and pharmacy are top ten programs), and a much stro0nger tradition of women's basketball, Purdue is a much better job than Pitt (though not sure if Ivey would take over an in-state rival).
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LitePal
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Posted: 04/05/18 1:53 pm ::: |
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Mickie DeMoss leaves asst. coaching spot at LSU. I thought she was associate head coach, but whatever. I think this will definitely hurt the program.
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WNBA 09
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CBiebel
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Posted: 04/05/18 3:25 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
I can't imagine Ivey wants to wait five more years to be a head coach. She's already eight years older than McGraw was when she took the Notre Dame job.
Duke is a long way from her midwestern recruiting connections. She might be better off going to Pitt, especially if she's just getting her feet wet before returning to ND. |
Unless she gets a really good offer for a very good program, she might want to wait 2 more years, though. Her son is still in high school. Once he gets to college, she won't have to worry about the stress of a new school for him, etc.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 04/05/18 3:36 pm ::: |
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CamrnCrz1974 wrote: |
Frankly, if you want Midwest recruiting roots, a good academic reputation (engineering and pharmacy are top ten programs), and a much stro0nger tradition of women's basketball, Purdue is a much better job than Pitt (though not sure if Ivey would take over an in-state rival). |
"Rival" only that they are both in the same state. Versyp took Notre Dame of the schedule and has refused to play them for the last several years.
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CBiebel
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Posted: 04/05/18 3:38 pm ::: |
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Seems like a pretty good hire. I noticed in the article that the NCAA D-II player of the year was only a sophomore at her previous school. I wonder if we will hear of a new transfer in a couple of weeks. |
The MAC could be very interesting to watch in the coming years. Between the 3 who did well this year in the NCAAs to Duffy at Miami to the new coach at BG, it looks like the conference is on the upswing.
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