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Who wins the dance?
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PostPosted: 03/31/18 4:42 pm    ::: NC Game: MSSt vs. Notre Dame Reply Reply with quote

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Who wins is the poll question.

But also tell us who you want to win.
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PostPosted: 03/31/18 6:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This the first national championship game that doesn't have a player who was ranked #1 coming out of high school since the 2011 game between ND and Texas A&M.


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PostPosted: 03/31/18 6:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'll be happy for either team, both are talented and deserving. Hoping for another close one!


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PostPosted: 03/31/18 10:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm fine with either one winning. I think Miss. State will probably win though.


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PostPosted: 03/31/18 10:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Muffet's 5th national championship game in the last 8 seasons. (More than UConn, but yes ND is 0-4 in them).

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PostPosted: 03/31/18 11:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm not too familiar with MSST.

Has any team been able to slow down TM's rebounding and how did they do it? Will ND be able to replicate that? Do they have the personnel to do it?

She totally scares me in this game. If she is in there eating up rebounds that's really going to hurt ND.



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PostPosted: 04/01/18 12:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ND has better Guards but Miss State has BIG T. ND will have to outscore Miss. state to win and they are very capable of doing just that. This should be a whale of a Final. Id be happy with either team winning. Muffett could have a shot at back to back, i dont see anyone touching them next season.



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PostPosted: 04/01/18 9:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I'm not too familiar with MSST.

Has any team been able to slow down TM's rebounding and how did they do it? Will ND be able to replicate that? Do they have the personnel to do it?

She totally scares me in this game. If she is in there eating up rebounds that's really going to hurt ND.


Get her into foul trouble....she can not hurt you on the bench. She makes a living grabbing O boards and putting them back in, so Shepard will have a huge job boxing out today.


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PostPosted: 04/01/18 10:16 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

McCowan shouldn’t need to foul. Just play straight up defense like she did against Louisville... no reaching and no leaving the feet. Just the mere presence of McCowan in the paint should be enough to frustrate Shepard, Nelson, Wesbeld, and whoever else. Shepard’s face should be beet red by the third quarter.



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PostPosted: 04/01/18 10:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I guess this game will test the old adage that the tournament is a guards' game.

ND has a pretty significant edge at guard. MissSt has the big center.

Other than a 3" advantage at C for Miss St, ND is actually the bigger team. Miss St is fairly short elsewhere.




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PostPosted: 04/01/18 10:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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McCowan shouldn’t need to foul. Just play straight up defense like she did against Louisville... no reaching and no leaving the feet. Just the mere presence of McCowan in the paint should be enough to frustrate Shepard, Nelson, Wesbeld, and whoever else. Shepard’s face should be beet red by the third quarter.


Right. She creates an inpenatrable force field dome ten feet in diameter around the rim just by standing still. Notre Dame will have to shoot nothing but 3s I guess. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 04/01/18 11:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This was in an article about the ND/UConn game, but I loved this:

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I keep thinking about forward Jessica Shepard turning the area under the rim into a bad neighborhood on its worst night. (Mabrey is the most captivating player on Notre Dame to watch when she has the ball, but Shepard is, without question, the best player to watch when she’s trying to get the ball. She’s just such a fucking deadly tank in the paint. And it’s not that she’s grabbing so many rebounds—she’s actually averaging less than 10 per game this tournament, same as she did during the season—it’s how violently she seems to gather in the ones that she gets. I love it. I love players who, whenever they come in, you see the players on the other team go, “Aw, man. Fuck.”) (If you like stats: I’m almost certain Shepard leads the nation in AMFs.) (That stands for “Aw, Man Fuck,” obviously.)


I'm sure hoping that Jess provides a lot of AMFs tonight!!!!

https://www.theringer.com/college-basketball/2018/3/30/17178558/notre-dame-uconn-ncaa-womens-basketball-final-four-columbus



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PostPosted: 04/01/18 11:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A potential factor is the diversification of scoring. All five ND starters have scored 20 in at least one game in this tournament. Only Vivians and McCowan have scored 20 for Miss St.

Graves chose to leave Westbeld alone to provide help defense on others; Westbeld went 9/12 and burned them for 20. Geno chose Young as the player to leave alone, and she shot 10/15 and scored 32.

In two of the tourney games, all three of Ogunbowale, Shepard and Mabrey scored 20+.

Miss St's 3 guards (presumably defending Ogunbowale, Mabrey and Young) are 5'5", 5'7" and 5'7".


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PostPosted: 04/01/18 11:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Don't particularly 'care' who wins. Just hoping for a good clean game. If pushed to pick, I'd take MsSt because of all their seniors and especially ViVi. I think ND will be just as good, probably better next year. Don't think it will be so easy for MsSt to replace those four seniors even with the big girl in the middle.



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PostPosted: 04/01/18 11:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
A potential factor is the diversification of scoring. All five ND starters have scored 20 in at least one game in this tournament. Only Vivians and McCowan have scored 20 for Miss St.

Graves chose to leave Westbeld alone to provide help defense on others; Westbeld went 9/12 and burned them for 20. Geno chose Young as the player to leave alone, and she shot 10/15 and scored 32.

In two of the tourney games, all three of Ogunbowale, Shepard and Mabrey scored 20+.

Miss St's 3 guards (presumably defending Ogunbowale, Mabrey and Young) are 5'5", 5'7" and 5'7".


I'm assuming that this is Bob Nagle, ND radio guy that's been around the team for probably longer than Muffet has.

He has a nice breakdown/list of NDs scoring in the tourney.

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ND has had a different leading scorer from game to game -- with Arike the only repeater. Arike has finished in the top 3 in all five games, Jess in four, Jackie in three, Marina in two and Kat in one.


https://ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=mcgraw;pid=56399;d=this



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PostPosted: 04/01/18 12:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm rooting for a 30 point MSSt win, although 10 points would do.

However, I voted for ND to win because they obviously have great offense and their defense has been better in the tournament than I expected. It would be hard for Schaefer, who is known for defense, to play worse defense than Oregon and UConn did against the Irish, and I can't believe Young and Ogumbowale will both have A+ games again. Nevertheless, I'm not sure the Bulldogs can score enough themselves to win.
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PostPosted: 04/01/18 12:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't care who wins, as long as it's good play worthy of the national championship game. I did, however, pick ND in the poll primarily because they have Muffet. I also hope the officiating is a lot better than Friday.


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PostPosted: 04/01/18 1:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The only previous time UConn lost in the semis and Stanford wasn't in the F4 was 2001, when Notre Dame hammered the Hussies then went on to edge Purdue for the title.



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PostPosted: 04/01/18 3:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Who do I want to win? Anyone but UConn.

So I'm sure to be happy with the result! Laughing


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PostPosted: 04/01/18 3:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ex-Ref wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
A potential factor is the diversification of scoring. All five ND starters have scored 20 in at least one game in this tournament. Only Vivians and McCowan have scored 20 for Miss St.

Graves chose to leave Westbeld alone to provide help defense on others; Westbeld went 9/12 and burned them for 20. Geno chose Young as the player to leave alone, and she shot 10/15 and scored 32.

In two of the tourney games, all three of Ogunbowale, Shepard and Mabrey scored 20+.

Miss St's 3 guards (presumably defending Ogunbowale, Mabrey and Young) are 5'5", 5'7" and 5'7".


I'm assuming that this is Bob Nagle, ND radio guy that's been around the team for probably longer than Muffet has.

He has a nice breakdown/list of NDs scoring in the tourney.

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ND has had a different leading scorer from game to game -- with Arike the only repeater. Arike has finished in the top 3 in all five games, Jess in four, Jackie in three, Marina in two and Kat in one.


https://ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=mcgraw;pid=56399;d=this


It's actually not anyone associated with ND basketball or the broadcasting industry. He's just a fan on McGraw's Bench who likes to give us periodic stat breakdowns that highlight interesting factoids. I know that because he was questioned earlier this season and that was his response.


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PostPosted: 04/01/18 4:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Ex-Ref wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
A potential factor is the diversification of scoring. All five ND starters have scored 20 in at least one game in this tournament. Only Vivians and McCowan have scored 20 for Miss St.

Graves chose to leave Westbeld alone to provide help defense on others; Westbeld went 9/12 and burned them for 20. Geno chose Young as the player to leave alone, and she shot 10/15 and scored 32.

In two of the tourney games, all three of Ogunbowale, Shepard and Mabrey scored 20+.

Miss St's 3 guards (presumably defending Ogunbowale, Mabrey and Young) are 5'5", 5'7" and 5'7".


I'm assuming that this is Bob Nagle, ND radio guy that's been around the team for probably longer than Muffet has.

He has a nice breakdown/list of NDs scoring in the tourney.

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ND has had a different leading scorer from game to game -- with Arike the only repeater. Arike has finished in the top 3 in all five games, Jess in four, Jackie in three, Marina in two and Kat in one.


https://ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=mcgraw;pid=56399;d=this


It's actually not anyone associated with ND basketball or the broadcasting industry. He's just a fan on McGraw's Bench who likes to give us periodic stat breakdowns that highlight interesting factoids. I know that because he was questioned earlier this season and that was his response.



Thanks for the clarification. I just assumed. Smile



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PostPosted: 04/01/18 4:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I suspect ND will win.

I *hope* the program that does not have a national title in its history gets one tonight.



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PostPosted: 04/01/18 5:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Did MM travel on that drive?



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Did MM travel on that drive?


Indeed she did!! Did they call it, no! but they called a travel at the other end which I didn't see.


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Kat with an o board!!!! Smile



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bballgrl wrote:
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Did MM travel on that drive?


Indeed she did!! Did they call it, no! but they called a travel at the other end which I didn't see.


The travel on TM? I was thinking it was going to be 3 seconds.

I'll need to go back and re-watch these. I'm not going to do it now.



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PostPosted: 04/01/18 5:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

TMac in galumpher mode on offense so far.

Mabrey a defensive star.
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Jackie, what were you thinking?



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PostPosted: 04/01/18 5:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Feels a bit boring so far even with the close score. Both sides look hesitant - maybe just not wanting to foul. Maybe it gets more exciting if it's close in the 4th.



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Sweet KOKO!!!



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If ESPN really thinks wcbb is so exciting, then why the need to split the screen to show some BS human interest feature about the teams/players during live action?

Could you see them doing that in an NFL game in the 1st period of a close game?


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Flop by ND. No way Iti bity knocked her down!


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Flop by ND. No way Iti bity knocked her down!


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This game has shifted to favor MSU. 12-6 has become 14-22.

It's starting to look like it won't be close.


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Flop by ND. No way Iti bity knocked her down!


Replay showed she wasn't set either. But I will say, Nelson is doing a good job on McCowan.


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Much too early to predict anything.
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Sweet move JS!!!!!!!



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Sweet move JS!!!!!!!


Too bad she traveled. She hopped left into position them lifted both feet again.


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Brinx wrote:
bballgrl wrote:
Flop by ND. No way Iti bity knocked her down!


Replay showed she wasn't set either. But I will say, Nelson is doing a good job on McCowan.


You don't have to be "set" to draw the foul. You only have to be in a legal guarding position. She was.


That was dumb AO.



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linkster wrote:
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Sweet move JS!!!!!!!


Too bad she traveled. She hopped left into position them lifted both feet again.


That's not a travel.



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Msu defense is no joke.
Vivians best player on the court.


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Vivians deserves more credit for MS success.


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Well, ND can't play much worse...can they?



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ND just has no answer for Vivians or McCowan.



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Notre Dame scored 3 points in a quarter off a single traditional 3-point play by Shepard. 3 points. It's not just McCowan. They cannot handle the pressure of the MSU wings. The one thing that should improve is that Ogunbawale should start shooting better than .10% . But that is should, because she has to keep doing the "final second" shot : fake drive and then step back, in order to get one off.




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Muffet should have asked Dawn Staley for a game plan to beat Mississippi State.


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Miss St with 4 fewer TO's and 6 more off bds. The Bulldogs aren't shooting that well (40%) but they've had 11 more shots.

Mabrey/Ogunbowale 1-15 1 assist & 8 TO's.

Often a horrible 1st half gets balanced in the second half. Can the Irish get hot or did they celebrate too much Saturday?


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MSU's offense is mediocre (30 points, 39% FG). They're winning because ND's is atrocious. Or you can flip that in terms of defense.

Has anyone heard anything about ND having injuries or TMac being self-conscious about her height as a kid?
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Notre Dame looked tired first half, you can also give Miss St. credit on that but i think that game with UCONN took alot out of them


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