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[toad455]

Interesting piece on the Liberty getting evicted from MSG, Dolan selling the team and Dolan(MSG) not paying property taxes.

https://www.villagevoice.com/2018/03/21/liberty-fans-and-pols-fume-as-msg-exiles-team-to-westchester/

[tfan]

Never Forget — Madison Square Garden Hasn’t Paid Property Taxes in Over 30 Years

[Bob Lamm]

[J-Spoon]

Why I believe Chicago might be interested in the trade of Rodgers and #10 for #4 by J-Spoon

1. Rodgers fits in perfectly behind Quigley at the 2 spot as an unselfish 3 and D type of player.

2. Chicago will still have their choices of Wings at #3, having the second pick makes one a little more moveable.

3. Chicago needs a PF, trading down for Billings at #10 fits a bigger need, than drafting 2 of G. Williams, Deshield or Vivians and already having Copper on the roster.

4. With Coates playing in her first season, and two other possible rookies a vet like Rodgers might appeal to a coach who wants to both develop her team, while competing for a playoff spot now.

5. Also Rodgers is better than she was last season, so getting her and another first round player 6 spots lower that #4 seems pretty fair, especially if that lower draft pick fills a bigger need.

OTOH I could totally see Chicago not be interested but I don't think it is an unrealistic trade based on the circumstances of both teams.

And OTOOH I would rather trade Prince but no way does Prince go back to Chicago and she is even older than Rodgers.

[NYL_WNBA_FAN]

At this point, I think only two or three teams make sense as trading partners for Rodgers. DC, Vegas and maybe Minnesota. I thought LA at one point but acquiring Cappie took care of their depth guard need. Minnesota just signed Wright but could certainly use a backup two guard with some offensive punch...who would probably be a good fit on a team with some good passers. DC has a question mark in Hill and Sugar is from the DC area. She'd probably be a good fit offensively on a team with several good 3 point shooters. But the only way I could see a trade between NY and DC would be Rodgers and 10 in exchange for 7. That way DC still would have a first rounder. Meanwhile, those 3 slots would likely ensure either Nurse or Vivians for NY, which unequivocally would fill a need. I know 3 spots don't seem like much, but Sugar's trade value isn't probably a whole lot greater than that.

And honestly, if we're drafting purely on the basis of getting a SF in body type, then the choice is probably Vivians. I've seen Nurse listed at 150. I think she's probably more like 160 with the body type to grow into a SF's build. I like her height, her vertical and her length for SF but she's physically got to do some growing to really be desirable at the 3 spot. That said, I still think she'd be a great addition to the Libs because you could use her as a piece that could move around defensively depending on what you need. You don't want her guarding a really thick SF like Maya Moore, but there's still matchups where you look at it and say man. She'd definitely be a better alternative than Z if we're talking about defending Angel or EDD.

For me personally, I think there's another consideration. The Liberty don't have many "floor game" players...creative ones who can dribble, drive and pass to other for high percentage shots. Part of Sugar's struggles last year were rooted in the fact that the Libs didn't have anybody to drive, draw and dish to her. Nurse, while not a PG or a terrific penetrator, does have the floor vision and ball-handling ability to help the Libs in that area. She also has the outside shot to draw the defense out and open up passing lanes. No Liberty player currently combines all those skills other than Piph to some degree. And her shooting is spotty. Nurse would immediately make that part of the Libs better. And she would do it at 6 feet tall, which is something that's terribly needed on offense, not to mention the other areas of basketball.

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[J-Spoon]

In terms of Vegas Yes I would trade

Rodgers and #10 for Harrison or

Rodgers and #10 for Jefferson

but I think it might be a bad look for Laimbeer to trade with NY, either he is helping his old team, or ripping off his old team, and it all looks a little fishy.

[NYL_WNBA_FAN]

I wouldn't mind Jefferson at all. But two things to consider are...

First in a podcast, I believe Bill said Jefferson would not be ready right at the start of the season. Not having a camp with a new team as a point guard would make the transition difficult.

Second, it would mean having to do something with either Boyd or Hartley. Never mind Lindsay Allen, who I think is going to be a good WNBA player eventually. That would be too many 5'9" and under players to fit on a 12-player roster.

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[J-Spoon]

[Michelle89]

[NYL_WNBA_FAN]

I agree about Harrison's worth. To J-Spoon's point I think Harrison is kind of in between a PF and C in terms of height and size, as well as playing style. I don't see her as a regular 5 spot player alongside Tina, which I'd think would make her value to the Libs pretty limited.

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[NYL_WNBA_FAN]

Here's hoping this offseason is similar to 2015 in regard to the draft. 2015 was different from this season from the standpoint that the Libs did add a new player in free agency (Wright) and re-signed an important leadership player late in the offseason (Cash). OTOH that team transitioned from a 15-win team to a 20+ winning team. So now we have a 20-win team. Hopefully there will be some surprises on draft day that alter the balance of the team similar to the way Boyd and Stokes gave us an upgrade in 2015.

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[Shades]

The Women of Westchester. Sounds like a potentially good reality show. I wonder if Oprah would be interested in picking up on it.

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[toad455]

The cheapest tickets are $12, but they appear to be the extreme side balcony seats. Curious why most of the balcony is blocked off though? You STH didn't take up most of the balcony, did you?

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[toad455]

Tina's front and center there and has been promoting the team in Westchester, but still remains unsigned. Very odd. Maybe she only wants a one year deal in case she doesn't like the Westchester situation?

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[J-Spoon]

I'm still not concerned with Charles having not signed yet, she clearly seems involved with the team still. A couple years ago Moore waited a long time, and before that I remember an LJ signing happening much later than expected. I could see her negotiating a one year deal to control her own destiny if the team folds, but if the team still exists in 19 they could still just core her again, even if they are relocated. My guess she will sign eventually, and we won't get any real explanation why it took so long.

[Happycappie25]

[Randy]

Could be something as simple as her agent or lawyer is busy with other things, or some minor sticking point on appearances, etc.

[Queenie]

[Richyyy]

I absolutely agree that it's probably nothing important with Charles. But, if she had decided that she's had enough of this organisation for the moment and wants to take a year off, it would very Liberty-y to keep that quiet for as long as possible in hopes of selling a few extra tickets before everyone finds out. Charles doesn't seem like someone who'd go along with that though - she'd probably just announce it herself - so it's unlikely. But it happens virtually every year when some big-name player takes an oddly long time to sign - everyone starts wondering why.

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[LibFan25]

Tina Charles is here to stay, this is her home. no worries.

we are about a week an half away from the draft, its a solid draft but im hoping Azura Stevens or Teaira McCowan come out early to give it more drama and suspense to it lol

this is what i want to see April 12 with the Liberty 3 picks:

10: Vivians/Nared/Billings/Nurse/L. Brown

22:Myisha Hines-Allen; i doubt she will make it that far thanks to her good performance run to the Final 4. Alexis Jennings is more realistic, i like what i saw from her against UCONN she got a strong inside game the Libs need more Big bodies to bang

34:Katelynn Flaherty more shooters, more shooters

[NYL_WNBA_FAN]

So a few things:

1) WNBA Fan Page is reporting the re-signing of Tina. Can this be confirmed elsewhere?

2) Teaira McCowan did not declare for the draft, correct? Personally if so I think it's the right call. She could use another year to develop her offense.

3) Who do you guys think is the most likely draftee if the Libs stay at 10?

4) If Piph and Rodgers both stay, how do you all foresee the minutes being split? Perhaps I should add what do you think of their minutes if Boyd is good to go vs. if Boyd isn't good to go. Since I guess Piph/Sugar backcourt combos are still possible in sporadic situations.

I'm thinking it will be Nared is NY stays at 10, as her size at SF makes sense. I don't think Vivians or Nurse will be available at 10 so Nared would also make sense. My dark horse is Lexie Brown in the event she falls to 10. While I would hate having a logjam at a position, especially in the case where Brown isn't a pure point guard, I also just think she's really good. She'd add speed, explosiveness, floor game elements and major shooting range in the backcourt. Since we need all 4 qualities, that would work for me. But you'd better be prepared to be creative with your transactions in that case. Entering the season with 5 guards who either qualify as PGs or combo guards isn't going to happen on a 12 player roster. Nor should it, given the needs that the Libs have.

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