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Posted: 03/20/18 11:17 am ::: |
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That's about a seed and a half per team. Not a huge difference, IMO.
Also, it's gone the other way by this kind of margin. In 2007 it was
MBB: 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 5 5 5 6 7
WBB: 1 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 3 4 4 5 7 7 10 13
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Posted: 03/21/18 4:51 pm ::: |
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It would be nice to see the close game/blowout numbers track closer to the men. (And since they don't, what the ppg number means is that the winners are scoring more and the losers are scoring less on the women's side.)
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Posted: 03/21/18 7:25 pm ::: |
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beknighted wrote: |
It would be nice to see the close game/blowout numbers track closer to the men. (And since they don't, what the ppg number means is that the winners are scoring more and the losers are scoring less on the women's side.) |
It's more on the winners side. Winning women's teams are scoring 82.9 ppg compared to 76.9 for the men. Losing women's teams are scoring 61.5 compared to 65.3 for the men. That's 6 ppg better for the winners and only 3.8 ppg worse for the losers. We haven't had a women's team win scoring under 60 points. The men have had three such games.
We're on pace to match last year's record blowout number. This is three straight tournaments with over 20 blowouts. The only other time there were consecutive years over 20 was 1995 and 1996, when there were 21 each year.
The close game number is alarmingly low. The fewest ever in a 64 team tournament is 17 (which happened in 2002). It seems likely we will break the current string of five straight tournaments with 20+ close games. There are 15 games left in the tournament, we need 13 of them to be close to keep the streak alive.
The women's tournament is almost always higher scoring than the men's. The longer shot clock used to be the excuse. Not sure what the men's apologists will come up with now. That 50-43 game we saw the other day wasn't a women's game...
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Posted: 03/24/18 9:20 pm ::: |
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These numbers are very illustrative of the differences between the men and the women. Through 3 rounds essentially half (27/56) games have been close in the men vs only 18% (10/56) in the women. The blowouts are similarly one-sided. As for the upsets, it is nice to see a similar number of upsets in the first round for both tournaments, which shows more balance in the women's game, at least below the elite. The upsets after the first round (men 10, women 6) and big upsets (men 6 women 2) also show a major difference.
While I realize you have been performing this comparison for many years, I would suggest 2 slight changes which could further clarify a prime difference. On the definition of major upsets you use 5 or more seeding lines. I believe a 2 seed losing to a 6 seed is a bigger upset than a 6 seed losing to an 11. I would suggest expanding the definition of major upsets to include a 1 seed losing to a 4 or 5 seed or a 2 seed losing to a 6 seed. The difference in quality of teams at the top of the bracket is significantly greater than lower down and this would account for it. The second change would just be an addition. While I'm not sure it would be particularly meaningful after the first round, starting with the sweet sixteen add the total of the seeds for the teams remaining. This year for round of sixteen numbers were 85 for the men and 61 for the women, and the round of 8 were 39 for the men and 17 for the women. While I don't know, I suspect that 61 was probably among the highest numbers for a women's tournament round of 16. This would not just show upsets, but the ability of lower seeded teams (such as Buffalo and CMU) to advance further.
As always, these tables are very enlightening.
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Posted: 03/25/18 12:40 pm ::: |
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As for the S16 seed totals, I count 60 for this season. The minimum is 40. Theoretically the maximum is 232, but I doubt we'll ever see anything much over 90. The record high for the women is 68, set in 2007. 60 is in line with what we've seen over the last decade:
1982 40
1983 45
1984 47
1985 44
1986 47
1987 42
1988 40
1989 43
1990 51
1991 64
1992 48
1993 51
1994 52
1995 45
1996 59
1997 47
1998 58
1999 40
2000 50
2001 53
2002 58
2003 60
2004 58
2005 53
2006 48
2007 68
2008 48
2009 59
2010 59
2011 62
2012 58
2013 61
2014 59
2015 54
2016 55
2017 57
2018 60
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Posted: 03/26/18 3:44 pm ::: |
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Elite Eight seeding comparison:
MBB: 1 1 2 3 3 9 9 11
WBB: 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 6
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Posted: 04/04/18 4:36 pm ::: |
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Point difference in NCAA tourney Rnds 1-4: MBB 665pts, WBB 1,211pts.
1st round: MBB 383, WBB 737.
2nd round: MB 177, WB 282.
Swt16 MB 69, WB 104.
Elite8 MB 36, WB 88.
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