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[J-Spoon]

So lets say we did trade Rodgers and #10 for #4 and got either G. Williams or Deshields, and let even start them

Harltey/Boyd/L. Allen
Zelous/Prince
Deshields or G. Williams/B. Allen
Charles/Zahui B
Stokes/Vaughn

12 spot pick a post Ibekwe, Alleyne or someone off the waiver wire like Hamson, Bulgak or L. Montgomery.

(In this configuration I kept the back-court combo of Hartley and Zelous together and made Prince instant offense/featured scorer on the second unit but that isn't really what this post is about.)

Is this a more balanced line up, or even a better line up? than say keeping Rodgers and getting whoever we get at #10, let say we luck into a post like Billings for comparison.

Hartley/Boyd/L. Allen
Prince/Rodgers
Zelous/B. Allen
Charles/Zahui B/Billings
Stokes/Vaughn

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[WNBA 09]

[Bob Lamm]

[Richyyy]

A recent history of #10 picks: Kaela Davis, Imani Boyette, Sam Logic, Markeisha Gatling, A'dia Mathies, LaSondra Barrett, Victoria Dunlap, Alison Lacey, Chante Black...

All of which is to say, if there's someone left who you think can be a contributing WNBA player, whatever position, this season or in future, just take them. Because most of the options left are going to be lucky to have basketball-playing careers in the Ukraine, never mind the WNBA.

If you just want a replacement-level backup who can fill a few minutes, there's a Burdick/Kiesel/Gatling sitting around on their couch waiting for a phone call every year. So 'drafting for need' when there are only a couple of people left who'll have WNBA careers seems silly. Gotta take the player left you feel has the most talent.

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[Lib Fan]

"figure it out later" hardly ever works

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[toad455]

Boyd will be starting unless she's not 100%. Hartley will now be the 4th guard off the bench. We draft our biggest need at #10 and that's either a SF(Vivians) or PF(Billings). if both are gone by #10, maybe Mavunga?

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[TotalCardinalMove]

[myrtle]

Gabby won't be there at 10 so you don't have to worry about that. What about Hines-Allen? I really haven't seen enough of her to have an opinion but I would think she will fall into that range. And from what little I've seen, I would take her long before Thomas. Billings or Mavunga are likely to be there at 10 but they are IMO about the same as Reshanda Gray who you already have.

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[root_thing]

[root_thing]

[WNBA 09]

[WNBA 09]

[J-Spoon]

OK so here's the thing my current preference is still to try and trade up for Deshields, I think Rodgers and #10 for #4 might be able to accomplish that with Chicago. Now lets say Chicago decides it wants Deshields but is still willing to make the trade for #4 and we are left with G. Williams as the option. When I say figure it out in terms of Gabby I start with the thesis that she will be a better two way player than any option we will have at #10 so I probably still make the move, but her lack of a long range shooting and SF size does IMO lead to her having some limitations to who she is best to be on the floor with. If both the PG and SG have a 3 ball as well as the PF which Tina has developed, then I think she is a good fit, if were playing our PGs who also lack range then it is harder to have Williams on the floor as well, that is what I mean by "figure it out" but IM she is still far enough ahead of the players who are likely to be at #10 that I would take that risk.

[J-Spoon]

In reference to the comment about Hartley being the 4th guard, I don't see it. At the end of last season Hartley was the #2 option on the team, she just signed (my guess) a max contract, and can play both the 1 or the 2, even if she doesn't start (which I think she will) I think Hartley will log the most minutes of our current guard options, and she will have the best season of her career. Her emergence just makes moving one of Prince/Rodgers a little easier for the team going forward.

[myrtle]

Vivians is the best fit. If you are trading up, I would be trying to get her.

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[J-Spoon]

And finally if we do not pick a post at #10, and no trades happen it pretty much means either L. Allen or R. Allen are out. Right now we have four posts, I think we'll need a fifth, or at least a 4th and a half i.e. a tweener who can play some 3 as well as 4. Because of that I feel like Billings or Mavunga (both of whom I like more than others do and I think will be decent 5th post options in the league for a couple of seasons at least) might be the best bet. I really want to keep L. Allen because I'm not 100% convinced that Hartley can do it full-time, and Boyd is coming back off a major injury so having that steady hand as 3rd option at the point is still important for our team. And broken record from the last two season but this is the year B. Allen breaks out (as well as Zahui B) so I don't want to give her away for nothing.

But if we draft an Atkins, Vivians, Nared, or Nurse (I still don't think Nurse or Vivians won't lasts until #10 which makes the decision even easier to go post) someone on the perimeter has to go, and we still need that 5th post.

Now of course if Canada (or to a lesser degree L. Brown fall to #10) it basically sends L. Allen packing, and doesn't really solve our bigger needs at SF or in the post, but I think we have to do it.

So ATM my bet is trade up,
or Billings at #10, with Mavunga as runner up post (I don't hate the idea of Hines-Allen either 10 seems high but she'll be gone by 22).
followed by grabbing a more talented player who falls on the perimeter such as Canada, Vivians or Nurse.
Or which I'm not that hyped about but works for our roster the falling of M Russell to #10, but I kind of want her picked before us so I don't have to worry about not wanting what is probably by far the best move the team could make without a trade.
If we do go perimeter in rd 1 I would try and go post in round 2 (even though it will be really hard for a 2nd round pick to make it) Hines-Allen, Muldrow, or bigger with Butler or Jensen.
If we go guard in rd 2 could Goodwin, Flaherty, McPhee or Buss break through what we already have? doubt it, maybe Goodwin.

[J-Spoon]

[root_thing]

Unless a couple of people come out early, I think the choices at #10 will be Atkins, Billings, Russell or Nared. IMHO Mavunga and Hines-Allen won't give you more than Alleyne or Reshanda Gray, so they're out. Atkins is that pure SG who will get crowded out and languish on the bench. I'm not a huge fan to begin with anyway. So it comes down to the Tennessee Disappointments or Billings... unless you want to go foreign, which is a whole other discussion. I secretly want to draft Olbis Futo Andre’ so that we can add her to the cool names list.

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[Randy]

A lot of useful (or better) players have been available at 10 (Hayes, Stokes, Bentley, R. Williams, Holmes, Messeman, Dantas, Lucas, Sugar come to mind quickly). The problem is just in picking the right one out of the many that don't end up doing much (far longer list.)

[ClayK]

[Bob Lamm]

[toad455]

With that trade, New York takes DeShields @ #4? Chicago takes Williams at #3 and possibly Billings or Mavunga at #10?

SKY
PG: Vandersloot/Faulkner
SG: Quigley/Rodgers
SF: Copper/Williams/Montgomery
PF: Parker/Bulgak/Billings or Mavunga
C: Dolson/Coates
LAST CUT: Hooper/N'dour

LIBERTY
PG: Boyd/LAllen
SG: Prince/Hartley
SF: Zellous/DeShields/RAllen
PF: Charles/Zahui B/Gray
C: Vaughn/Stokes
LAST CUT: Ibekwe/#22 pick

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[Shades]

Toad, now you’re actually keeping Zahui over a training camp player? I’m a little in shock.

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[root_thing]

I still think worrying about age for a player under 30 is outsmarting yourself. The more germane question is why does Chicago or any team in this league need Sugar Rodgers? I don't see any team in the league that has a gaping hole at SG. Maybe Washington needs a 2 if Hill isn't ready. However, they signed Currie who could maybe play SG or she could play SF and TRP moves to SG. I also think SWK has all the tools needed to be good, so she'd actually be my first option. I just don't see why anyone would trade for Rodgers to be their starting SG. Sugar wouldn't be a significant upgrade for any team. And despite the 6th Woman award, Sugar wasn't really effective off the bench -- at least not offensively. On top of that, who wants a bench player who makes max salary and only plays one position?

The only person who might want to trade for Rodgers is Laimbeer. He loves Sugar's defense, and she could help him implement his philosophy on the court. Having a veteran lead by example usually expedites the learning process for young players. So, you wouldn't only be trading for an individual player, you could be helping the whole team. LVA probably won't have salary cap concerns for awhile because they're young. That makes Sugar's big contract more palatable. So, if people want to create fantasy trades involving Rodgers, Las Vegas is where they should look.

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[Shades]

In other words, although Rodgers isn’t exactly table scraps, she’s not conducive enough to make teams want to trade down for her. Stokes, on the other hand, could be a different story.