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PostPosted: 03/06/18 6:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I had a feeling January might want to go to Arizona.


Exactly , but does this really fix PHX issues of old age ? Shes stated shes going to retire in 1 or 2 more seasons , does this all of a sudden change that ? (January) or course .



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I had a feeling January might want to go to Arizona.


Exactly , but does this really fix PHX issues of old age ? Shes stated shes going to retire in 1 or 2 more seasons , does this all of a sudden change that ? (January) or course .


Yeah, I have mixed feelings about this. I really like January, but it felt to me like 2017 was the year she went from high quality starter to uh-oh time is running out fast, so this is a really short-term move for Phx. Strategically I don't especially like it, but for now I'm happy to cheer for Bri.

D-Rob to Minny is an interesting one. It turned out that Phoenix didn't really suit her, because our desperation for players who can put a ball into the basket was too high, but I think the Lynx is a better fit. I just don't know that D-Rob is a Reeve type of player. Guess we'll find out soon.



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PostPosted: 03/06/18 8:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I actually think it looks better for PX and Minny as a 3 team trade

PX gets January and #12
Minny gets D-Rob and # 20
Indy gets #8


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I like this trade for Phoenix. We upgrade our guard position and it only costs us 4 picks back in a good draft. I think we can pick up someone useful at the 12th spot.

Plus January just might bring in some Arizona State fans that don't normally invest in the Mercury.

I don't buy into the argument that D-Rob is a difficult teammate. She is really good with the fans. I like that she seems to be happy all the time. And I think she can have a great season for the Lynx.


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PostPosted: 03/07/18 5:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Robinson's a bad fit with the Lynx.Unlike Montgomery,Danielle isn't a long range shooter.Fowles/Moore will see more double teams this upcoming season.


The Lynx have done pretty well so far with Whalen who isnt a 3pointshooter either... DRob will have a lot more options to pass to other then Fowles then she had with the Mercury. The Lynx had to make a move because they couldnt depend on Whalen staying healthy or playing heavy minutes and their bench looked very weak without Montgomery and Perkins.

I think Drob has some gas left in the tank. She just needs to get her confidence back IMO and the Lynx is the perfect team for that

January with the Mercury is a short term solution. They want to win now thats for sure. Their defense improves with January and Bonner back in the line-up but i wonder how much gas January has left in the tank. Maybe a change of scenery will help her



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My first thought was that Minny won, so was surprised at all the negative thoughts. Who wins really depends on several factors. Will DRob be better her second year back from injury? History shows this is often the case. As much as I love January, she has repeatedly mentioned considering retiring. I agree the trade may well extend her career but how long will she continue to be able to play the rough and tumble style she is known for and is good at? I assume for Indy that this is a clearing out for K.Mitchell. We'll see how that works out and how whoever they take at #8 works out. Lots of questions. So all in all, from the outset, I would say it looks fairly even.



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Keeps the Lynx at or near the top again. I see the Lynx in the top 2 again. :(


People said this when the Mercury got her last off season and she lost her starting spot to Mitchell:/ and didn't help them much at all.


That's because Robinson is something of a ball-dominant guard who can't shoot, which is the opposite of a good fit on a team with Diana Taurasi. I don't actually believe, talent-wise, that Leilani Mitchell is as good a basketball player as Danielle Robinson, but she was a better fit for the Mercury.



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Keeps the Lynx at or near the top again. I see the Lynx in the top 2 again. Sad


People said this when the Mercury got her last off season and she lost her starting spot to Mitchell:/ and didn't help them much at all.


That's because Robinson is something of a ball-dominant guard who can't shoot, which is the opposite of a good fit on a team with Diana Taurasi.


Taurasi can shoot, so why is that a bad fit? Get the ball to Taurasi. Get the ball to Griner. Why is she a better fit for Minnesota, because she’ll have lesser competition for a spot? Everybody wants a PG who can shoot the three. That shouldn’t be any different for the Lynx.

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I don't actually believe, talent-wise, that Leilani Mitchell is as good a basketball player as Danielle Robinson, but she was a better fit for the Mercury.


She arguably had the best season of her career. She can shoot the three, set screens with the best of them, great defense for her size. Wasn’t intimidated by the likes of Alyssa Thomas making those basket to basket drives. She just outplayed DRob for her spot and that’s all there’s to it. So if talent isn’t in Mitchell’s favor like you say than I guess you have to cite DRob’s lack of desire... which isn’t exactly a great quality. How’s that saying go? ”Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard".

What it boils down to.... with Bonner coming back back, Taurasi can take on some of the PG duties. They don’t need two high buck PG’s (with Mitchell giving more for the money). Might as well get some fresh blood in a deep draft.



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I always thought Briann January was one of the more overvalued players on this board, has shot under 39% in six out of nine seasons, and of those six she shot under 36% for three of them. Nonetheless, she is more of a "fit" than Robinson is for the Mercury.


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As a Fever, fan I love this move. January has had a really good and under-rated career in Indiana, but she is close to retirement and slowing down. She has flirted with this season being her last one, and Fever won't be any good this season regardless of whether they have her. Moving on and getting what should be a young piece with potential is good for the future. Moving on and opening some backcourt space for Mitchell (presumably) to play a lot of minutes is good for the future.

If the 8 pick turns into someone who has a nice career this is a clear win for Indiana. That's a chance I am certainly happy to take.


Plus 1! Indy needs two good young players and you're absolutely correct about January considering retirement. Like this trade for Indy! Don't think they can gamble on getting a PG at #8, so it looks like Kelsey Mitchell will be an Indiana Fever!


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I always thought Briann January was one of the more overvalued players on this board, has shot under 39% in six out of nine seasons, and of those six she shot under 36% for three of them. Nonetheless, she is more of a "fit" than Robinson is for the Mercury.


Being one of the best defensive guards in the league who will always give 120% no matter what gives her a lot of credit.



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I always thought Briann January was one of the more overvalued players on this board, has shot under 39% in six out of nine seasons, and of those six she shot under 36% for three of them. Nonetheless, she is more of a "fit" than Robinson is for the Mercury.


Being one of the best defensive guards in the league who will always give 120% no matter what gives her a lot of credit.


I don't think she's garbage, she's solid. Just never thought she was a Tier 1 PG due in large part to the inefficiency on offense..


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mavcarter wrote:
I always thought Briann January was one of the more overvalued players on this board, has shot under 39% in six out of nine seasons, and of those six she shot under 36% for three of them. Nonetheless, she is more of a "fit" than Robinson is for the Mercury.


Being one of the best defensive guards in the league who will always give 120% no matter what gives her a lot of credit.


I don't think she's garbage, she's solid. Just never thought she was a Tier 1 PG due in large part to the inefficiency on offense..


Same but more because i dont think averaging 3,6 assists per game makes you a top PG or even close



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Michelle89 wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
I always thought Briann January was one of the more overvalued players on this board, has shot under 39% in six out of nine seasons, and of those six she shot under 36% for three of them. Nonetheless, she is more of a "fit" than Robinson is for the Mercury.


Being one of the best defensive guards in the league who will always give 120% no matter what gives her a lot of credit.


I don't think she's garbage, she's solid. Just never thought she was a Tier 1 PG due in large part to the inefficiency on offense..


Same but more because i dont think averaging 3,6 assists per game makes you a top PG or even close


I wish we had the stat for attempted assists where the PG made the pass and the shot was taken but missed. 3.6 apg comes with a 1.80 ATO which places her solidly in the middle of the current WNBA starting PGs.


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Michelle89 wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
I always thought Briann January was one of the more overvalued players on this board, has shot under 39% in six out of nine seasons, and of those six she shot under 36% for three of them. Nonetheless, she is more of a "fit" than Robinson is for the Mercury.


Being one of the best defensive guards in the league who will always give 120% no matter what gives her a lot of credit.


I don't think she's garbage, she's solid. Just never thought she was a Tier 1 PG due in large part to the inefficiency on offense..


Same but more because i dont think averaging 3,6 assists per game makes you a top PG or even close


I wish we had the stat for attempted assists where the PG made the pass and the shot was taken but missed. 3.6 apg comes with a 1.80 ATO which places her solidly in the middle of the current WNBA starting PGs.


And that is is exactly what i always believed she was.



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Michelle89 wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
I always thought Briann January was one of the more overvalued players on this board, has shot under 39% in six out of nine seasons, and of those six she shot under 36% for three of them. Nonetheless, she is more of a "fit" than Robinson is for the Mercury.


Being one of the best defensive guards in the league who will always give 120% no matter what gives her a lot of credit.


I don't think she's garbage, she's solid. Just never thought she was a Tier 1 PG due in large part to the inefficiency on offense..


Same but more because i dont think averaging 3,6 assists per game makes you a top PG or even close


I wish we had the stat for attempted assists where the PG made the pass and the shot was taken but missed. 3.6 apg comes with a 1.80 ATO which places her solidly in the middle of the current WNBA starting PGs.


And that is is exactly what i always believed she was.

A middle of the road PG who is also a game-changing defender moves her up to high-end status, imo.



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A middle of the road PG who is also a game-changing defender moves her up to high-end status, imo.


I guess it depends on what you want out of your PG. Because Catch handled the ball so much, they didn't need her as much as a floor general on offense. Her defense was very important. But if she was on a team whose offense depended on her getting the ball to the bigs, then she's just a capable starter, not a tier 1 PG.


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A middle of the road PG who is also a game-changing defender moves her up to high-end status, imo.


I guess it depends on what you want out of your PG. Because Catch handled the ball so much, they didn't need her as much as a floor general on offense. Her defense was very important. But if she was on a team whose offense depended on her getting the ball to the bigs, then she's just a capable starter, not a tier 1 PG.

Which would seem to make her an excellent fit for the Merc who are best when the ball is being run through Taurasi.



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A middle of the road PG who is also a game-changing defender moves her up to high-end status, imo.


I guess it depends on what you want out of your PG. Because Catch handled the ball so much, they didn't need her as much as a floor general on offense. Her defense was very important. But if she was on a team whose offense depended on her getting the ball to the bigs, then she's just a capable starter, not a tier 1 PG.

Which would seem to make her an excellent fit for the Merc who are best when the ball is being run through Taurasi.


Oh, yes, absolutely! Especially given Diana's defense. Or is that "iana?"


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Michelle89 wrote:
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Michelle89 wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
I always thought Briann January was one of the more overvalued players on this board, has shot under 39% in six out of nine seasons, and of those six she shot under 36% for three of them. Nonetheless, she is more of a "fit" than Robinson is for the Mercury.


Being one of the best defensive guards in the league who will always give 120% no matter what gives her a lot of credit.


I don't think she's garbage, she's solid. Just never thought she was a Tier 1 PG due in large part to the inefficiency on offense..


Same but more because i dont think averaging 3,6 assists per game makes you a top PG or even close


I wish we had the stat for attempted assists where the PG made the pass and the shot was taken but missed. 3.6 apg comes with a 1.80 ATO which places her solidly in the middle of the current WNBA starting PGs.


And that is is exactly what i always believed she was.

A middle of the road PG who is also a game-changing defender*** moves her up to high-end status, imo.

True, but ***when healthy. Which hasn't been a whole lot in recent seasons (I say that as a big fan).


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Lynx needed a backup guard after losing both Perkins & Renee and they got one but Im interest in seeing how Reeves use her in Minny & if she ends up being a good fit there.

Briana Januaray in Phx I like her but I can't root for her anymore in that dirty purple.


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justintyme wrote:
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A middle of the road PG who is also a game-changing defender moves her up to high-end status, imo.


I guess it depends on what you want out of your PG. Because Catch handled the ball so much, they didn't need her as much as a floor general on offense. Her defense was very important. But if she was on a team whose offense depended on her getting the ball to the bigs, then she's just a capable starter, not a tier 1 PG.

Which would seem to make her an excellent fit for the Merc who are best when the ball is being run through Taurasi.


Oh, yes, absolutely! Especially given Diana's defense. Or is that "iana?"


I don't know why Iana TTaurasi never caught on



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Nerd2 wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
justintyme wrote:

A middle of the road PG who is also a game-changing defender moves her up to high-end status, imo.


I guess it depends on what you want out of your PG. Because Catch handled the ball so much, they didn't need her as much as a floor general on offense. Her defense was very important. But if she was on a team whose offense depended on her getting the ball to the bigs, then she's just a capable starter, not a tier 1 PG.

Which would seem to make her an excellent fit for the Merc who are best when the ball is being run through Taurasi.


Oh, yes, absolutely! Especially given Diana's defense. Or is that "iana?"


I don't know why Iana TTaurasi never caught on


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I think Phoenix is also looking at January as a playoff performer. If you take 2012 and 2014-16 and factor in some outstanding defense, January is a take-charge player in key spots in playoff games. They're clearly going for a championship.

As a for instance, I know Piph (rightfully so) has a rep and history as a poor playoff performer. But in the 2015 deciding game of the ECF January completely shut her down. In this sense, January's value to a team definitely transcends her stats. Put her on a team with two stars and several other impact players, and I think you really have something. With new players and chemistry you never know for sure, but on the surface it makes sense.



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It seems to me each team got what they needed. Indy got a pick to rebuild with and Phoenix got a veteran guard with good D and a pretty good 3 point shot. Lynx needed help in the backcourt but had the least to offer so they had to take a chance. At her best, Robinson was probably better than January at her best and both may be better than pick No. 8. But age and injury take their toll.



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Taurasi can shoot, so why is that a bad fit? Get the ball to Taurasi. Get the ball to Griner. Why is she a better fit for Minnesota, because she’ll have lesser competition for a spot? Everybody wants a PG who can shoot the three. That shouldn’t be any different for the Lynx.

Because you maximize the talents of a player like Taurasi by surrounding her with players who can play off the ball, who can catch and shoot. Mitchell can, Robinson can't.

There's a perfectly valid way to build a team in which Danielle Robinson is going to be a much more valuable point guard than Lelani Mitchell, but that team isn't going to have Diana Taurasi on it, or anyone who plays like her. You maximize a point guard like Robinson by surrounding her with players who are high-energy, high-effort, high-"BBIQ" types, but who can't necessarily create their own shot. Granted, that last part doesn't describe Minnesota, either, but Minnesota's offense appears to rely on the point guard attacking the basket and making something happen much more so than Phoenix's does, and Robinson is better at that than she is spotting up from the three-point line.

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[Mitchell] arguably had the best season of her career. She can shoot the three, set screens with the best of them, great defense for her size. Wasn’t intimidated by the likes of Alyssa Thomas making those basket to basket drives. She just outplayed DRob for her spot and that’s all there’s to it. So if talent isn’t in Mitchell’s favor like you say than I guess you have to cite DRob’s lack of desire... which isn’t exactly a great quality. How’s that saying go? ”Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard".

Not sure why you think that Mitchell having what you would consider to have arguably been a career year, in her ninth season, refutes my argument that she's not as talented as Robinson, but sure. I won't dispute your point about Mitchell working harder/outplaying Robinson, but hard work is a skill, not a talent. I'll stipulate that some of this is semantic nitpickery but, in case I didn't make it clear in the Swoopes/Moore thread, I'm here for that.



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There's a perfectly valid way to build a team in which Danielle Robinson is going to be a much more valuable point guard than Lelani Mitchell, but that team isn't going to have Diana Taurasi on it, or anyone who plays like her. You maximize a point guard like Robinson by surrounding her with players who are high-energy, high-effort, high-"BBIQ" types, but who can't necessarily create their own shot. Granted, that last part doesn't describe Minnesota, either, but Minnesota's offense appears to rely on the point guard attacking the basket and making something happen much more so than Phoenix's does, and Robinson is better at that than she is spotting up from the three-point line.

Although in fairness, Robinson had her most succesful seasons playing alongside Becky Hammon - who liked to create with the ball in her hands and shoot a lot from outside. So it can work. Either Robinson just wasn't that player any more last season, or Brondello has less of a clue how to make it work than Dan Hughes did.



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My two cents on Robinson is that she looked a step slower last season. I wear my heart on my sleeve during Liberty games and her speed and quickness used to be pretty intimidating. She could penetrate and kick out with ease. She could pull up from midrange with her speed backing you up and nail an open 15 footer. I didn't see as much of either of those things last year, and when NY played against her I was a lot less intimidated by her speed.

Perhaps another year removed from injury recovery might help some though.



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There's a perfectly valid way to build a team in which Danielle Robinson is going to be a much more valuable point guard than Lelani Mitchell, but that team isn't going to have Diana Taurasi on it, or anyone who plays like her. You maximize a point guard like Robinson by surrounding her with players who are high-energy, high-effort, high-"BBIQ" types, but who can't necessarily create their own shot. Granted, that last part doesn't describe Minnesota, either, but Minnesota's offense appears to rely on the point guard attacking the basket and making something happen much more so than Phoenix's does, and Robinson is better at that than she is spotting up from the three-point line.

Although in fairness, Robinson had her most succesful seasons playing alongside Becky Hammon - who liked to create with the ball in her hands and shoot a lot from outside. So it can work. Either Robinson just wasn't that player any more last season, or Brondello has less of a clue how to make it work than Dan Hughes did.


Huh. I guess my mileage varies: I never really thought of Hammon as a particularly proficient ball creator.



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January would have be a good replacement for Rennee if Lynx could have got her in a trade with Indy.


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January would have be a good replacement for Rennee if Lynx could have got her in a trade with Indy.


I would have preferred January, but I believe she’s going into her retiring close to home/easy access to her other job phase of her career.



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January would have be a good replacement for Rennee if Lynx could have got her in a trade with Indy.


I would have preferred January, but I believe she’s going into her retiring close to home/easy access to her other job phase of her career.

Not to mention Phoenix parted with the #8 pick, which means the cost would have likely been more than the Lynx were willing to part with.



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