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Posted: 03/05/18 8:50 pm ::: |
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jmvcity wrote: |
Were a bunch requesting refunds at the event? |
I have no idea
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Nerd2
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Posted: 03/05/18 9:20 pm ::: |
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As a person who has has an NFL and NBA team moved away and almost lost my WNBA team, I think the Liberty fans have a real opportunity here. Unlike San Antonio, you still have a team. You also know that the ownership is going to change. Whoever buys the team is going to want it and not treat it as a liability. The question becomes whether whoever buys it thinks it has a future in NYC or not. Hopefully at least some games will get 2000+ so the new owner might feel it's worth the risk to find a location that will allow the team to stay in the area.
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Bob Lamm
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Posted: 03/06/18 10:09 am ::: |
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Nerd2 wrote: |
As a person who has has an NFL and NBA team moved away and almost lost my WNBA team, I think the Liberty fans have a real opportunity here. Unlike San Antonio, you still have a team. You also know that the ownership is going to change. Whoever buys the team is going to want it and not treat it as a liability. The question becomes whether whoever buys it thinks it has a future in NYC or not. Hopefully at least some games will get 2000+ so the new owner might feel it's worth the risk to find a location that will allow the team to stay in the area. |
I don't agree. Consider, for example, the Liberty's average home attendance for 2017. Compare that with the pathetic average home attendance for 2018 for the many games in White Plains, even if they all sell out. Would that mean that so many thousands of Liberty fans have lost interest in the team? No, it'll simply mean that White Plains is a lousy arena and location. Anyone with the $$$ to buy the franchise from Hideous Lord Jimmy will understand this.
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toad455
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 22477 Location: NJ
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Posted: 03/06/18 10:15 am ::: |
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our best case scenario for 2019 would be for someone to buy the team and move them to Brooklyn.
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pilight
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Posted: 03/06/18 10:24 am ::: |
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It's still astounding to me that the W doesn't have by-laws specifying capacity for arenas
The NBA constitution gives the commissioner authority "to establish minimum standards for the design, construction, and operation of NBA-quality arenas in areas related to the production and marketing of NBA basketball games and events; to establish minimum standards for the conditions under which NBA basketball games and events are conducted, and to regulate the in-arena presentation of those games and events"
http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/files/221035054-nba-constitution-and-by-laws.pdf
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Bob Lamm
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Posted: 03/06/18 10:25 am ::: |
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toad455 wrote: |
our best case scenario for 2019 would be for someone to buy the team and move them to Brooklyn. |
I fully agree. And whether the Liberty sell out in White Plains or don't won't in any meaningful way suggest how the team will draw in Brooklyn.
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toad455
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Posted: 03/06/18 10:44 am ::: |
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Bob Lamm wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
our best case scenario for 2019 would be for someone to buy the team and move them to Brooklyn. |
I fully agree. And whether the Liberty sell out in White Plains or don't won't in any meaningful way suggest how the team will draw in Brooklyn. |
getting 2k in Westchester vs. getting even 7k(low balling) in Brooklyn is better.
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Lib Fan
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Posted: 03/07/18 7:55 pm ::: |
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so am I the only REAL STH that posts on Rebkell ?
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Queenie
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Posted: 03/08/18 9:37 am ::: |
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so am I the only REAL STH that posts on Rebkell ? |
Once that refund I asked for on Sunday finally comes through, I guess you will be, since I have to drop down to a partial plan and bootleg it to boot.
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Ay Mate
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Posted: 03/08/18 11:28 am ::: |
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Hopefully after 2018, the Golden State Warriors Buy the team and move them to California.
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ClayK
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Posted: 03/08/18 11:35 am ::: |
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It's sad that it's come to this in NYC ...
As for the Warriors, Joe Lacob reiterated today that he wants a WNBA team in the Bay Area. But he also said that they've been working on building the new arena for eight years, and it's been one of the complex tasks he's ever encountered in his business career.
Presumably, now that construction has started, it should be a smoother process, but San Francisco politics are notoriously convoluted, and you just never know ...
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Posted: 03/08/18 12:28 pm ::: |
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Ay Mate wrote: |
Hopefully after 2018, the Golden State Warriors Buy the team and move them to California. |
Not what any Liberty Fan would ever hope for !
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Posted: 03/08/18 6:33 pm ::: |
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Can anyone indicate how the sightlines seemed for the $29 seats?
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Lib Fan
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Posted: 03/08/18 7:39 pm ::: |
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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote: |
Can anyone indicate how the sightlines seemed for the $29 seats? |
I would say the sight lines from the $29 seats are not good...also there is an overhang problem from the baloney
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Posted: 03/08/18 8:14 pm ::: |
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Lib Fan wrote: |
NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote: |
Can anyone indicate how the sightlines seemed for the $29 seats? |
I would say the sight lines from the $29 seats are not good...also there is an overhang problem from the baloney |
Thanks for the info. That sounds pretty terrible. Maybe I’ll just wait for single seats to come out and get them in the balcony for each game.
It’s really sad. I know it’s about economics but the Liberty have represented NY and MSG so well on and off the court. They (and the fans) deserve better.
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Nerd2
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Luuuc #NATC
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Posted: 03/08/18 8:17 pm ::: |
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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote: |
Can anyone indicate how the sightlines seemed for the $29 seats? |
I would say the sight lines from the $29 seats are not good...also there is an overhang problem from the baloney |
That sounds uncomfortable
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Lib Fan
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Posted: 03/08/18 8:23 pm ::: |
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Luuuc wrote: |
Lib Fan wrote: |
NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote: |
Can anyone indicate how the sightlines seemed for the $29 seats? |
I would say the sight lines from the $29 seats are not good...also there is an overhang problem from the baloney |
That sounds uncomfortable |
It is so had to move to the best of the $39.00 seats...
Its not MSG and no more that a college arena ...but at least we have a team
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tfan
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Posted: 03/08/18 10:00 pm ::: |
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Crazy that in previous discussions about where to play, St John's 5,602 seat arena was dismissed as too small, and then the Liberty end up in a place much smaller - outside the city.
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Nerd2
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Posted: 03/08/18 10:25 pm ::: |
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tfan wrote: |
Crazy that in previous discussions about where to play, St John's 5,602 seat arena was dismissed as too small, and then the Liberty end up in a place much smaller - outside the city. |
Isn't St. John's also bleacher seating though?
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Queenie
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Posted: 03/08/18 10:51 pm ::: |
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Nerd2 wrote: |
tfan wrote: |
Crazy that in previous discussions about where to play, St John's 5,602 seat arena was dismissed as too small, and then the Liberty end up in a place much smaller - outside the city. |
Isn't St. John's also bleacher seating though? |
Mostly. The lower deck behind the benches has chairback seating, and there's a row of chairs in the last row of the lower deck opposite the benches, but the rest of the place- lower deck opposite the benches and sidelines, and upper two decks- has bleachers. The ones in the lower deck are traditional bleachers, while the upper decks have sort of cup-shaped seats with no backs.
I'd say the Liberty and St. John's could come to an arrangement to convert the arena to all chairback seating, but then my STJ season tickets would probably go through the roof, so *shrug emoji*.
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root_thing
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Posted: 03/08/18 11:47 pm ::: |
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Alright, I've tried my best to put lipstick on this pig, but I give up. Let's summarize what has happened so far:
1) The team moves to an area that will add an hour or more to most fans' travel time. Double that for a roundtrip.
2) Even if every one of the roughly 8,000 real fans per game (not the official 9,800) wanted to follow the Liberty to WCC, there are only 2,300 seats. In addition, it sounds like half of those seats have poor sightlines so functionally it's more like 1,000+. Essentially, management is telling 7,000 fans to stay home.
3) So far, it appears that management has made little effort to improve the team on the court.
4) For the privilege of a diminished experience, longer travel, and seeming indifference to adding talent, the franchise is increasing ticket prices.
Seriously, can management try harder to alienate the fanbase? Maybe they should add protruding nails to each seat and bring in elephants to shit on the floor before each game. If they don't want live fans, then just do away with WCC and play at the practice facility. You are no longer a franchise where live fans matter. Just admit that you're a made for TV event. Do away with the arena, fire your sales staff, cut your operations crew to the bone, and you should do fine living off the TV money. Just don't waste everybody's time pretending that you're a real sports franchise.
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Bob Lamm
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Posted: 03/09/18 12:54 am ::: |
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root_thing wrote: |
Alright, I've tried my best to put lipstick on this pig, but I give up. Let's summarize what has happened so far:
1) The team moves to an area that will add an hour or more to most fans' travel time. Double that for a roundtrip.
2) Even if every one of the roughly 8,000 real fans per game (not the official 9,800) wanted to follow the Liberty to WCC, there are only 2,300 seats. In addition, it sounds like half of those seats have poor sightlines so functionally it's more like 1,000+. Essentially, management is telling 7,000 fans to stay home.
3) So far, it appears that management has made little effort to improve the team on the court.
4) For the privilege of a diminished experience, longer travel, and seeming indifference to adding talent, the franchise is increasing ticket prices.
Seriously, can management try harder to alienate the fanbase? Maybe they should add protruding nails to each seat and bring in elephants to shit on the floor before each game. If they don't want live fans, then just do away with WCC and play at the practice facility. You are no longer a franchise where live fans matter. Just admit that you're a made for TV event. Do away with the arena, fire your sales staff, cut your operations crew to the bone, and you should do fine living off the TV money. Just don't waste everybody's time pretending that you're a real sports franchise. |
Well said, all of it.
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