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Shades
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Posted: 02/13/18 2:29 pm ::: |
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Why isn’t last years SEC DPOY Raigyne
Louis not on the mock boards??? |
I think she just made Megdal’s last mock draft, now that LSU is starting to get more noticed. Where would put her? If you say “first round”, this may get written off as another homer opinion.
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icey23
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Posted: 02/13/18 4:52 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
icey23 wrote: |
Why isn’t last years SEC DPOY Raigyne
Louis not on the mock boards??? |
I think she just made Megdal’s last mock draft, now that LSU is starting to get more noticed. Where would put her? If you say “first round”, this may get written off as another homer opinion. |
I wouldn’t say first round, but she has potential to be a star in the WNBA!
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Queenie
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Posted: 02/13/18 5:07 pm ::: |
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icey23 wrote: |
Why isn’t last years SEC DPOY Raigyne
Louis not on the mock boards??? |
I think a lot of people forgot she still had eligibility, TBH. Seems like she's been at LSU forever.
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Posted: 02/13/18 8:25 pm ::: |
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zune69 wrote: |
Plum will be one of my favorites for MOP along with B.Sykes and N.Howard. |
Did you mean MIP? |
Nope. MOP. Seems more likely to me than MIP.
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bcdawg04
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Posted: 02/13/18 10:11 pm ::: |
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Let's keep this discussion on track. J-Spoon asked why is K. Mitchell a better pro prospect than Plum? We can only compare at the college level, and there it's pretty obvious the two are similar type players: ball-dominant scoring guards even when filling the PG slot. One player holds the all-time scoring record, the other is trying to catch her. Both are OK but not great at dishing the ball, neither is a defensive stalwart. So, what's the difference in potential? I think Mitchell is a better athlete and a little bigger. You can try to make arguments about decision-making or attitude, but I don't think there's a lot of tangible evidence in that regard -- just a lot of rumors and personal opinions. So, keeping it simple, IMHO Mitchell is a better prospect because she has physical advantages. |
A year ago, Swish Appeal did a statistical analysis to compare the two as college players: Who's the better Kelsey: Plum or Mitchell?
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Kelsey Plum and Kelsey Mitchell are two great college players, and play similar roles for their teams. It’s hard to say which one will be a better pro player. |
Interesting article.
Plum surely isn't amongst the more athletic players in the league. Heck, she was never even considered one of the more athletic college players. She's not fast, but before the ankle injury she was quicker than defenders thought. She was able to increase her scoring average by nearly 6 points from junior year to senior year without attempting more shots, and ESPN Sport Science explained how: The science behind Plum's shot is comparable to Curry's
She gets her shot off faster than Klay Thompson does, and she's also quick enough with her footwork and a hip rotation to keep her mechanics consistent.
After watching her for four years, I said that I didn't know what kind of pro she would be or how successful she would be at the next level. We still don't know. I haven't watched Mitchell much (none this year), but when I saw her last year, I remember being impressed. I wish her all the best. When it comes to the WNBA, though, every year there is less and less space for the undersized shoot-first guards who are sub-par defenders (although, according to Swish Appeal, one of the Kelseys is not as bad a defender as everyone thinks).
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 02/14/18 8:42 am ::: |
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Luuuc wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
zune69 wrote: |
Plum will be one of my favorites for MOP along with B.Sykes and N.Howard. |
Did you mean MIP? |
Nope. MOP. Seems more likely to me than MIP.
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For MOP, I thought right away of this one:
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Randy
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Posted: 02/14/18 8:47 am ::: |
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MOP = Most Offensive Player. Currently held by Candice Wiggins, who took it over from Sophia Young.
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Nixtreefan
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Posted: 02/14/18 12:45 pm ::: |
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bcdawg04 wrote: |
root_thing wrote: |
Let's keep this discussion on track. J-Spoon asked why is K. Mitchell a better pro prospect than Plum? We can only compare at the college level, and there it's pretty obvious the two are similar type players: ball-dominant scoring guards even when filling the PG slot. One player holds the all-time scoring record, the other is trying to catch her. Both are OK but not great at dishing the ball, neither is a defensive stalwart. So, what's the difference in potential? I think Mitchell is a better athlete and a little bigger. You can try to make arguments about decision-making or attitude, but I don't think there's a lot of tangible evidence in that regard -- just a lot of rumors and personal opinions. So, keeping it simple, IMHO Mitchell is a better prospect because she has physical advantages. |
A year ago, Swish Appeal did a statistical analysis to compare the two as college players: Who's the better Kelsey: Plum or Mitchell?
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Kelsey Plum and Kelsey Mitchell are two great college players, and play similar roles for their teams. It’s hard to say which one will be a better pro player. |
Interesting article.
Plum surely isn't amongst the more athletic players in the league. Heck, she was never even considered one of the more athletic college players. She's not fast, but before the ankle injury she was quicker than defenders thought. She was able to increase her scoring average by nearly 6 points from junior year to senior year without attempting more shots, and ESPN Sport Science explained how: The science behind Plum's shot is comparable to Curry's
She gets her shot off faster than Klay Thompson does, and she's also quick enough with her footwork and a hip rotation to keep her mechanics consistent.
After watching her for four years, I said that I didn't know what kind of pro she would be or how successful she would be at the next level. We still don't know. I haven't watched Mitchell much (none this year), but when I saw her last year, I remember being impressed. I wish her all the best. When it comes to the WNBA, though, every year there is less and less space for the undersized shoot-first guards who are sub-par defenders (although, according to Swish Appeal, one of the Kelseys is not as bad a defender as everyone thinks). |
I believe that scoring increase was due to more calls by silly refs when she jumped into defenders
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adamj95
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Posted: 02/14/18 1:46 pm ::: |
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With LA signing Pondexter, if Nurse somehow falls, the Lynx should be able to get her.
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Posted: 02/14/18 1:47 pm ::: |
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With LA signing Pondexter, if Nurse somehow falls, the Lynx should be able to get her. |
Not sure I get the connection. If she falls to 12 the Lynx got her (if they want).
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adamj95
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Posted: 02/14/18 1:48 pm ::: |
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Randy wrote: |
adamj95 wrote: |
With LA signing Pondexter, if Nurse somehow falls, the Lynx should be able to get her. |
Not sure I get the connection. If she falls to 12 the Lynx got her (if they want). |
LA got another guard so if Nurse is available at 11, they probably won't draft her. Didn't word my first post right.
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Shades
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Posted: 02/14/18 1:58 pm ::: |
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adamj95 wrote: |
With LA signing Pondexter, if Nurse somehow falls, the Lynx should be able to get her. |
Not sure I get the connection. If she falls to 12 the Lynx got her (if they want). |
If it were Nurse vs Vadeeva vs Russell at #12, that would be a dilemma, but a nice dilemma to have.
But yeah, even if the Lynx were to sign a vet guard, there’d still be room for Nurse. But they wouldn’t be able to roster another guard on top of that. If the Lynx do sign a vet guard, I’m leaning for them to draft a post with #12 if a nice one is available (not 5’11 Shakayla Thomas).
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adamj95
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Posted: 02/14/18 2:02 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
Randy wrote: |
adamj95 wrote: |
With LA signing Pondexter, if Nurse somehow falls, the Lynx should be able to get her. |
Not sure I get the connection. If she falls to 12 the Lynx got her (if they want). |
If it were Nurse vs Vadeeva vs Russell at #12, that would be a dilemma, but a nice dilemma to have.
But yeah, even if the Lynx were to sign a vet guard, there’d still be room for Nurse. But they wouldn’t be able to roster another guard on top of that. If the Lynx do sign a vet guard, I’m leaning for them to draft a post with #12 if a nice one is available (not 5’11 Shakayla Thomas). |
I think it'd be hard to pass up Nurse at #12 but if Vadeeva is available, I think you have to go with her.
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blaase22
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Posted: 02/14/18 6:03 pm ::: |
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adamj95 wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
Randy wrote: |
adamj95 wrote: |
With LA signing Pondexter, if Nurse somehow falls, the Lynx should be able to get her. |
Not sure I get the connection. If she falls to 12 the Lynx got her (if they want). |
If it were Nurse vs Vadeeva vs Russell at #12, that would be a dilemma, but a nice dilemma to have.
But yeah, even if the Lynx were to sign a vet guard, there’d still be room for Nurse. But they wouldn’t be able to roster another guard on top of that. If the Lynx do sign a vet guard, I’m leaning for them to draft a post with #12 if a nice one is available (not 5’11 Shakayla Thomas). |
I think it'd be hard to pass up Nurse at #12 but if Vadeeva is available, I think you have to go with her. |
Take Nurse and run and hope Vadeeva is there at 17
Doubt she shows up much at all anyway.
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Posted: 02/15/18 7:10 am ::: |
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@BillDoyle15: Ex-Celtic Dee Brown, GM of Clippers G-league team, is at Garden tonight. Before the game he predicted his daughter, Lexie, a star at Duke, would be a top three or four pick in the WNBA draft. The Celtics took Dee No. 19 in 1990.
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pilight
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Posted: 02/15/18 11:44 am ::: |
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Dee Brown coached in the W, so he should have some idea what it takes to make it.
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Shades
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Posted: 02/15/18 12:18 pm ::: |
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Dee Brown coached in the W, so he should have some idea what it takes to make it. |
Two years at two different teams, I’m guessing with little success. Not much of a resume to support your assertion.
I’d be pleasantly surprised if he was following women’s basketball closely enough to know who are the top picks. He don’t know. If you don’t know Lexie Brown isn’t Top 4, that’s an even bigger disappointment.
She’ll stick around the league if she wants. Top 4? No.
If Duke wins the NCAA tournament on her back, I may think differently. I mean, Stocks is as much a rookie as Curt Miller. Otherwise, just no.
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Posted: 02/15/18 12:48 pm ::: |
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Take Nurse and run and hope Vadeeva is there at 17 |
Good luck!
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Posted: 02/15/18 2:12 pm ::: |
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blaase22 wrote: |
sigur3 wrote: |
blaase22 wrote: |
Take Nurse and run and hope Vadeeva is there at 17 |
Good luck! |
won't be losing sleep over someone that won't show up anyway. |
other then Liz and Ann how many foreign players get drafted and miss a bunch of seasons? Maybe Vadeeva is looking forward to playing in the WNBA and will show up often, I would take her over Kia in a heartbeat. |
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