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PostPosted: 11/10/17 9:43 am    ::: 2019 EuroBasket Qualifiers Reply Reply with quote

The first set of games will be played on Saturday. All games will be YouTube.
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PostPosted: 11/10/17 10:03 am    ::: Re: 2019 EuroBasket Qualifiers Reply Reply with quote

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All games will be YouTube.

Wow, really truly absolutely all? Is FIBA Europe forcing them? It's just that GB Basketball generally don't bother with helpful stuff like that which would require a tiny amount of effort and organisation.

(and I've been dithering for weeks about whether I could be bothered to go up to Manchester (and fork out for an overnight stay) just to see one game)



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PostPosted: 11/10/17 8:31 pm    ::: Re: 2019 EuroBasket Qualifiers Reply Reply with quote

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awhom111 wrote:
All games will be YouTube.

Wow, really truly absolutely all? Is FIBA Europe forcing them? It's just that GB Basketball generally don't bother with helpful stuff like that which would require a tiny amount of effort and organisation.

(and I've been dithering for weeks about whether I could be bothered to go up to Manchester (and fork out for an overnight stay) just to see one game)


Right here apparently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cfsNQeAgXU
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PostPosted: 11/11/17 1:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Several of these games going on right now, if anyone's interested, accessible via FIBA's YouTube account here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtInrnU3QbWqFGsdKT1GZtg

GB-Israel, featuring Fagbenle, Leedham-Warner et al, starts in about an hour.



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PostPosted: 11/11/17 4:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Recap of all the games:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2017/11/eurobasket-2019-qualifiers-game-1-november-11th/

New naturalized players include Cyesha Goree and Glory Johnson.

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PostPosted: 11/12/17 6:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The last 8 minutes from the GBR-Israel game was fantastic to watch Very Happy big 3 after big 3 Surprised



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PostPosted: 11/12/17 11:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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The last 8 minutes from the GBR-Israel game was fantastic to watch Very Happy big 3 after big 3 Surprised


Right? Completely ridiculous. Doesn't give me confidence that Team GB will be able to advance out of this group though.


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PostPosted: 11/12/17 12:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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The last 8 minutes from the GBR-Israel game was fantastic to watch Very Happy big 3 after big 3 Surprised

Eventually, I enjoyed that Smile.

Israel choosing not to foul, down 3 with five seconds left in OT, seemed a bizarre decision. Sometimes you can take the possibility of points difference eventually being relevant too seriously.



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PostPosted: 11/13/17 8:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Michelle89 wrote:
The last 8 minutes from the GBR-Israel game was fantastic to watch Very Happy big 3 after big 3 Surprised

Eventually, I enjoyed that Smile.

Israel choosing not to foul, down 3 with five seconds left in OT, seemed a bizarre decision. Sometimes you can take the possibility of points difference eventually being relevant too seriously.


Yeah i was screaming at my laptop screen/Clark: FOUL DAMMIT. But it looked like a deliberiate call from the coach not to foul. Very strange..



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PostPosted: 11/13/17 10:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
The last 8 minutes from the GBR-Israel game was fantastic to watch Very Happy big 3 after big 3 Surprised

Eventually, I enjoyed that Smile.

Israel choosing not to foul, down 3 with five seconds left in OT, seemed a bizarre decision. Sometimes you can take the possibility of points difference eventually being relevant too seriously.


Yeah i was screaming at my laptop screen/Clark: FOUL DAMMIT. But it looked like a deliberiate call from the coach not to foul. Very strange..

Yeah, I can only think that he decided the chances of fouling, GB missing both free throws, and Israel then managing to hit yet another three, were so slim that he'd rather just lose by 3 rather than 4 or 5. He may well also have been out of timeouts, which would make the tying three even less likely.

But I still think you have to maintain that slim chance of winning, for the potential cost of only two points. If it means you eventually have to win a different game by 5 instead of 3 (or 23 instead of 21, or whatever) then so be it.

It was a ridiculous win for GB, and generally speaking we won't hit that many 3s to stay in games. The defensive rotations have to be better or we just won't be competitive. Overtime or not there's no way in hell we score 90 points on a regular basis.

And dear god, there has to be a way to initiate a halfcourt set that doesn't involve the wing running a baseline cut then coming up the sideline looking for a pass from the point guard. We ran it a gazillion times, and whenever Clark was covering the wing it became a turnover or near-turnover because she just jumped it. Staggeringly predictable. But regardless, we're 1-0 in a group where you only play six games. That's a good start.



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PostPosted: 11/14/17 9:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Second round of games are all tomorrow (Wednesday) if anyone's interested, viewable via the same links above. Greece-GB should be at 10am US Eastern, if I've done the maths right, and then there's 15 more games over the rest of the day.



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PostPosted: 11/15/17 4:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This Belgium squad is sooooo fun to watch and likeable.


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PostPosted: 11/15/17 9:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Recap of all of the games:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2017/11/eurobasket-2019-qualifiers-game-2-november-15th/

Richyyy, I don't have a personal Twitter account so I was going to talk about something you said here. I don't think it's any more fair from a fan perspective to consider Alysha Clark a naturalized player than it is to consider Leilani Mitchell one. Both were entitled to claim citizenship at birth, but just did not do so in time. Oddly enough, I thought Dannielle Diamant was in the same boat as Clark, but they both played together in these games so I guess not.
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PostPosted: 11/16/17 9:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fair enough; I didn't realise she was one of the more reasonable naturalisations. I'm only jealous, anyway. Unless Savannah Wilkinson blows up at Florida State the GB youth (besides Fagbenle) coming through looks really thin at the moment. That core, which is mostly the same as the group that got us to London 2012, is gonna age out and fade away pretty soon - and I'm not sure if anything much is going to be left behind. We could use a nice American ringer Smile.

ETA: At present, I don't think we're even using any kind of naturalised spot. Every rotation player in the current squad played with Natalie Stafford when she filled it, so presumably none of them count. So any decent female basketball players with some vaguely recent British heritage, give us a call...



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PostPosted: 11/16/17 9:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Fair enough; I didn't realise she was one of the more reasonable naturalisations. I'm only jealous, anyway. Unless Savannah Wilkinson blows up at Florida State the GB youth (besides Fagbenle) coming through looks really thin at the moment. That core, which is mostly the same as the group that got us to London 2012, is gonna age out and fade away pretty soon - and I'm not sure if anything much is going to be left behind. We could use a nice American ringer Smile.

ETA: At present, I don't think we're even using any kind of naturalised spot. Every rotation player in the current squad played with Natalie Stafford when she filled it, so presumably none of them count. So any decent female basketball players with some vaguely recent British heritage, give us a call...


Katie Lou is probably out due to the trickery of dealing with someone who has played at youth level for another country, but surely they can give Karlie Samuelson a call? Since she seems to be committed to an overseas career for this season at least, you would think that the possibility of it helping her earn money in the future would be enticing.

Mothers, don't let your young basketball-playing children reach age 16 without acquiring any nationality they are eligible to take...
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PostPosted: 11/17/17 6:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Is the passport as useful when it's a non-EU country? I don't know whether most of the leagues and the EuroLeague/EuroCup limit non-EU or just generally non-European players. We're obviously about to be outside the EU pretty soon.

It was Bonnie Samuelson who was briefly named in a GB squad way back when, but any of them would add to the squad at this point. It's been so long now that I assume they either have no interest or there's some issue with making them eligible.



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Is the passport as useful when it's a non-EU country? I don't know whether most of the leagues and the EuroLeague/EuroCup limit non-EU or just generally non-European players. We're obviously about to be outside the EU pretty soon.

It was Bonnie Samuelson who was briefly named in a GB squad way back when, but any of them would add to the squad at this point. It's been so long now that I assume they either have no interest or there's some issue with making them eligible.


For every league I am aware of, it is any country in FIBA Europe and that is the case for EuroLeague and EuroCup too. That's why a passport from some of the countries that no longer compete regularly, like Azerbaijan and Armenia are so helpful.
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Thanks, that makes sense. Good thing too, for the Brits trying to make a iiving playing overseas.



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PostPosted: 02/01/18 8:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Is the passport as useful when it's a non-EU country? I don't know whether most of the leagues and the EuroLeague/EuroCup limit non-EU or just generally non-European players. We're obviously about to be outside the EU pretty soon.

It was Bonnie Samuelson who was briefly named in a GB squad way back when, but any of them would add to the squad at this point. It's been so long now that I assume they either have no interest or there's some issue with making them eligible.


Well, you got your Karlie, even though playing in qualifiers seems more difficult as a college assistant than as a club player in Europe.

The advice still applies apparently as not getting your children all their eligible nationalities by age 16 is irresponsible and can make things difficult later.
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PostPosted: 02/01/18 8:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yeah, when I checked her Twitter bio to see what she was doing now and saw she was hired as a college assistant, I did wonder how that's going to work. I presume she's at least going to be available in February, or they wouldn't have named her in the current squad. After that I guess we'll see. Can't hurt to get her involved and see how things work out.



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PostPosted: 02/10/18 11:16 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Latest round of qualifiers are today, should anyone be interested. All live and free via FIBA's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/FIBAWorld/featured



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PostPosted: 02/10/18 8:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A recap of the day's games:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2018/02/eurobasket-2019-qualifiers-game-3-february-10th/

There are some interesting storylines. Slovenia upset France. Greece lost, but had Jacki Gemelos, which could be a big deal for the Worlds. I have no idea what the longest time Karlie Samuelson has ever gone without a field goal attempt is, but she probably broke her record by some margin. More people are joining the Raisa Musina hype train, but there's still plenty of room for Olaf Lange.
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Yeah, I dunno what was with Samuelson. There were at least a couple of occasions where I wondered "isn't the whole point of you to take shots like that?" And virtually everyone else was jacking threes around her. In general, we were awfully fortunate that Portugal are pretty poor. We were rubbish most of the night, and somehow came away with a win. Israel aren't great either, but they'll stuff us if we play like that in the next game.

Today was the first time I watched a game specifically to pay attention to Musina (and Vadeeva, but I've seen plenty of her before). She's certainly not the finished article (especially defensively), but 19 years old, mobile, some ball skills, range to beyond the arc, and a legit 6-3 - there's plenty to like. I'd happily take her in the third round rather than some US kid you're gonna cut a week later. Maybe even the second.



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As always, though, drafting a player who never shows up isn't good for much, and it's very hard to tell, it seems, which Euros are interested in playing in the WNBA.



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PostPosted: 02/11/18 12:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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As always, though, drafting a player who never shows up isn't good for much, and it's very hard to tell, it seems, which Euros are interested in playing in the WNBA.

Drafting Americans who are gone in a week ain't good for much either.



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Richyyy wrote:
ClayK wrote:
As always, though, drafting a player who never shows up isn't good for much, and it's very hard to tell, it seems, which Euros are interested in playing in the WNBA.

Drafting Americans who are gone in a week ain't good for much either.


While the foreign player may not come over right away, they're younger and have several years to change their minds. In the meantime, they're playing overseas and getting better. Also, for a perennially good team, it's worth the roll of a dice because you're getting a shot at a high ceiling player who is not normally available because you always draft low. Most players are replaceable. It's the stars that are hard to find, and this is a low-cost way to try to steal a star.



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Richyyy wrote:
ClayK wrote:
As always, though, drafting a player who never shows up isn't good for much, and it's very hard to tell, it seems, which Euros are interested in playing in the WNBA.

Drafting Americans who are gone in a week ain't good for much either.


While the foreign player may not come over right away, they're younger and have several years to change their minds. In the meantime, they're playing overseas and getting better. Also, for a perennially good team, it's worth the roll of a dice because you're getting a shot at a high ceiling player who is not normally available because you always draft low. Most players are replaceable. It's the stars that are hard to find, and this is a low-cost way to try to steal a star.

Given he's now at a different franchise it probably doesn't, but Chelsea Poppens one spot ahead of Emma Meesseman should haunt Brian Agler...



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Yeah, I dunno what was with Samuelson. There were at least a couple of occasions where I wondered "isn't the whole point of you to take shots like that?" And virtually everyone else was jacking threes around her. In general, we were awfully fortunate that Portugal are pretty poor. We were rubbish most of the night, and somehow came away with a win. Israel aren't great either, but they'll stuff us if we play like that in the next game.

Today was the first time I watched a game specifically to pay attention to Musina (and Vadeeva, but I've seen plenty of her before). She's certainly not the finished article (especially defensively), but 19 years old, mobile, some ball skills, range to beyond the arc, and a legit 6-3 - there's plenty to like. I'd happily take her in the third round rather than some US kid you're gonna cut a week later. Maybe even the second.


I'll put you in a good seat on the bandwagon, but not the driver's seat. That still belongs to the person who replied to the tweet of my international draft article who believed that she was the top overall prospect. Most people are going off the U19 Championship, when she abused the USA team repeatedly. Most Americans at that age barely know how to defend a basic 1-4 pick and roll so it's no surprise that nobody knew what to do when the 4 was the ball handler and a guard was the pick player. I don't think that a WNBA team would ever let her play in that role so the intrigue is whether she'll develop into an elite pick and roll player on the European level, which would make her the bigger version of Sonja Petrovic. Her height helps her elevate pretty well on her shot and she should be able to get it off at any level. It will be interesting to see if she can ever defend any position on a functional level, although she is pretty useful in a zone.
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Yeah, at the minute it's the classic tweener issue for Musina on D - not quite the quickness and mobility for perimeter players, not quite the strength and physicality for inside. And she just doesn't have the instincts yet. But again, she's 19. She's a sophomore if she's in the NCAA system. There's plenty of time.



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Musina showed skill in Polkowice. Of course she was dragged there by her sister to play any minutes at all (knowing that good teams in Russia are loaded anyway). That just lasted a year and she left for UMMC rather not to see many minutes. Could be streaky offensively, but of course she's too young to have any idea of good D#.

Honestly not looking like a potentially big star. Russian roster is quite weak nowadays, all the big guns are gone and she's not storming her way through.



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The golden age might end pretty quickly for Belgium. The gap between Wauters and the next best available option at the 5 is extreme. Meesseman and Kim Mestdagh are not enough to consistently carry that team scoring wise.


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The golden age might end pretty quickly for Belgium. The gap between Wauters and the next best available option at the 5 is extreme. Meesseman and Kim Mestdagh are not enough to consistently carry that team scoring wise.


Whoa, Linskens is based in your country. Hopefully she didn't read this!

I suppose they could naturalize a player? I forget what hoops they had to jump through for Matt Lojeski. Maybe they could get Celeste Trahan or something? I also can't remember what the story is with the players who never seem to play for them anymore. They could use Hind Ben Abdelkader.
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Game 4:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2018/02/eurobasket-2019-qualifiers-game-4-february-13th-14th/

The triple-overtime game was obviously the headliner, but Alina Iagupova did her thing as always too.
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Okay, two questions about things I know I'll be worrying about in November:

a) Any tie, whether two-way or three-way, is decided by results just between the tied teams, rather than overall group results, right?

b) Do they throw out results against the bottom team in the groups to decide the 'six best second-placed teams'? Seems completely unnecessary with all the groups being the same size for once, but also seems like something FIBA would do anyway.



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Richyyy wrote:
Okay, two questions about things I know I'll be worrying about in November:

a) Any tie, whether two-way or three-way, is decided by results just between the tied teams, rather than overall group results, right?

b) Do they throw out results against the bottom team in the groups to decide the 'six best second-placed teams'? Seems completely unnecessary with all the groups being the same size for once, but also seems like something FIBA would do anyway.


It would be nice to have all of this written down somewhere. Based on this week's revelation on how the men's qualifiers will work, the answers could be confusing and not based on anything we've ever known about.

Speaking of which, I noticed that the Great Britain men also have Greece and Israel in their group with Estonia instead of Portugal. I've been following them because of Eric Boateng. Talk about hard luck results.
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Speaking of which, I noticed that the Great Britain men also have Greece and Israel in their group with Estonia instead of Portugal. I've been following them because of Eric Boateng. Talk about hard luck results.

Eh, hard luck or completely incapable of putting together a full 40 minutes? Without Luol Deng we just struggle to be good enough (even against Greece minus all their EuroLeague guys). We've never had the sort of continuity and chemistry that's a big part of a lot of the successful Euro and South American teams' runs. Oh, and our head coach recently quit/was fired for still largely undisclosed reasons. Not to mention that they're currently desperately trying to get the governement to provide enough money to keep the national teams alive. The whole thing's a shambles from top to bottom.

Gabe Olaseni's pretty damn good, though.



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