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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 02/11/18 1:12 pm ::: |
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ND 12-9 at the first media break.
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Ex-Ref
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Posted: 02/11/18 1:13 pm ::: |
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Game is blacked out one ESPN3 for me. Being in the SB media market sucks!!!!!!!!!!!
_________________ "Women are judged on their success, men on their potential. It’s time we started believing in the potential of women." —Muffet McGraw
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 02/11/18 1:16 pm ::: |
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Is it available on your RSN?
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 02/11/18 1:17 pm ::: |
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Ex-Ref wrote: |
Game is blacked out one ESPN3 for me. Being in the SB media market sucks!!!!!!!!!!! |
Try Comcast 101.
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 02/11/18 1:23 pm ::: |
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21-17 after 1 quarter.
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Ex-Ref
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Posted: 02/11/18 1:28 pm ::: |
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Fighting Artichoke wrote: |
Ex-Ref wrote: |
Game is blacked out one ESPN3 for me. Being in the SB media market sucks!!!!!!!!!!! |
Try Comcast 101. |
I have DTV. Thanks for the suggestions!
_________________ "Women are judged on their success, men on their potential. It’s time we started believing in the potential of women." —Muffet McGraw
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 02/11/18 1:37 pm ::: |
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ND with a tiny 29-28 lead at the 2nd quarter media break. ND with 13 turnovers.
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Posted: 02/11/18 1:59 pm ::: |
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ND's free throw shooting sucks anymore. 1-6 is inexcusable.
And 15 turnovers in a half is terrible. Four and five from Ogunbowale and Young respectively!
GT's bench has more points than the starters.
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 02/11/18 2:04 pm ::: |
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Ex-Ref wrote: |
ND's free throw shooting sucks anymore. 1-6 is inexcusable.
And 15 turnovers in a half is terrible. Four and five from Ogunbowale and Young respectively!
GT's bench has more points than the starters. |
39=39 at the half.
Arike is playing heri ball. It hurts to watch teammates wide open while Arike gets called for a charge driving and ignoring teammates.
Jackie has been really good. One of her turnovers was when she got a steal and got mobbed by 3 Tech players and the refs called a jump ball (possession to Tech). Jackie has 3 steals.
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 02/11/18 2:15 pm ::: |
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Fighting Artichoke wrote: |
heri ball |
???
Is that a malapropism or a neologism, professor? |
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 02/11/18 2:19 pm ::: |
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GlennMacGrady wrote: |
Fighting Artichoke wrote: |
heri ball |
???
Is that a malapropism or a neologism, professor? |
Would you settle for a typo?
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 02/11/18 2:34 pm ::: |
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ND 64-54 entering the 4th quarter.
Tech playing very rough. The announcers suggesting that since the Irish cannot foul (having so few bodies), GT's strategy is to play rough and dare ND to fight back. So far Irish are not biting, but still have more fouls than they usually do.
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 02/11/18 2:44 pm ::: |
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ND 79-56 at the 4th quarter media timeout.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 02/11/18 2:52 pm ::: |
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GT's strategy ( not just in this game) is to hack, push, grab, and otherwise foul constantly counting on (1) the refs might call a lot, but they can't call them all, and (2) they have more warm bodies than their opponents so if they do call a lot they have more subs available.
It worked for almost three quarters today. But it sure makes for ugly basketball. Does anyone enjoy watching this crap?
Joseph has coached this way for years.
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 02/11/18 2:56 pm ::: |
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Ugly but ND wins 85-69.
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Posted: 02/11/18 3:16 pm ::: |
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Regarding Arike, I think Muffet has tried to reign her in at times, but unfortunately with the roster situation you have to take the bitter with the sweet.
I love watching Jackie play, she's long, athletic, defends and is a good passer.
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Posted: 02/11/18 3:27 pm ::: |
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I think Muffett is happy the way it is. Arike is a great disruptive 1-on-1 player and is leading or second in the ACC in scoring. She can create her own shot, can score inside, outside, and on the break, draws fouls, and disrupts defenses.
I don't understand the complaints.
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 02/11/18 4:20 pm ::: |
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I think Muffett is happy the way it is. Arike is a great disruptive 1-on-1 player and is leading or second in the ACC in scoring. She can create her own shot, can score inside, outside, and on the break, draws fouls, and disrupts defenses.
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Sometimes she forces her own shot when there are other better ones available if she would only pass. She has gotten a lot better this year, but she still forces some pretty low quality shots. Today ND had a fast break and instead of passing out to Marina for the open 3 or to another ND player in the lane, Arike charged into the defender and got a turnover. A few other times she forced a drive and fell out of bounds and Tech scored on a short-handed Irish team because Arike sat on the ground ()looking for a call).
Muffet likes aggressive offense so she obviously likes many aspects of Arike's play, but sometimes that hero ball mode Arike gets into really hurts ND. Didn't that happen in the UConn game this year?
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 02/12/18 1:33 pm ::: |
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Fighting Artichoke wrote: |
ArtBest23 wrote: |
I think Muffett is happy the way it is. Arike is a great disruptive 1-on-1 player and is leading or second in the ACC in scoring. She can create her own shot, can score inside, outside, and on the break, draws fouls, and disrupts defenses.
I don't understand the complaints. |
Sometimes she forces her own shot when there are other better ones available if she would only pass. She has gotten a lot better this year, but she still forces some pretty low quality shots. Today ND had a fast break and instead of passing out to Marina for the open 3 or to another ND player in the lane, Arike charged into the defender and got a turnover. A few other times she forced a drive and fell out of bounds and Tech scored on a short-handed Irish team because Arike sat on the ground ()looking for a call).
Muffet likes aggressive offense so she obviously likes many aspects of Arike's play, but sometimes that hero ball mode Arike gets into really hurts ND. Didn't that happen in the UConn game this year? |
I think there is a drive with 3 minutes left in the 3rd that probably illustrates our difference of view.
Arike takes the ball end to end, the GT defense is back but not really organized yet, and she takes the ball right to the basket. It's kind of out of control and not a very good shot but she gets fouled and goes to the line for two. I suspect you think she should have brought it out or passed. I don't have any problem with the aggressive drive and drawing the foul.
And I think those drives are intentional, not as undisciplined as they might sometimes appear. In contrast, at 1:40 of the 3rd, she takes the ball end to end on a true fast break and at the last moment makes a perfect pass to Jackie on her left for the layup. She had space; I think a truly selfish undisciplined player would have taken that shot herself without looking for Young.
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CBiebel
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Posted: 02/13/18 6:40 am ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
Fighting Artichoke wrote: |
ArtBest23 wrote: |
I think Muffett is happy the way it is. Arike is a great disruptive 1-on-1 player and is leading or second in the ACC in scoring. She can create her own shot, can score inside, outside, and on the break, draws fouls, and disrupts defenses.
I don't understand the complaints. |
Sometimes she forces her own shot when there are other better ones available if she would only pass. She has gotten a lot better this year, but she still forces some pretty low quality shots. Today ND had a fast break and instead of passing out to Marina for the open 3 or to another ND player in the lane, Arike charged into the defender and got a turnover. A few other times she forced a drive and fell out of bounds and Tech scored on a short-handed Irish team because Arike sat on the ground ()looking for a call).
Muffet likes aggressive offense so she obviously likes many aspects of Arike's play, but sometimes that hero ball mode Arike gets into really hurts ND. Didn't that happen in the UConn game this year? |
I think there is a drive with 3 minutes left in the 3rd that probably illustrates our difference of view.
Arike takes the ball end to end, the GT defense is back but not really organized yet, and she takes the ball right to the basket. It's kind of out of control and not a very good shot but she gets fouled and goes to the line for two. I suspect you think she should have brought it out or passed. I don't have any problem with the aggressive drive and drawing the foul.
And I think those drives are intentional, not as undisciplined as they might sometimes appear. In contrast, at 1:40 of the 3rd, she takes the ball end to end on a true fast break and at the last moment makes a perfect pass to Jackie on her left for the layup. She had space; I think a truly selfish undisciplined player would have taken that shot herself without looking for Young. |
I think it's somewhere between the two of you. I have noticed that Ogunbowale has gotten a lot better at passing instead of driving, but there are still too many times that she seems to force it on her own.
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