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Megdal's take. If Tina demands a trade now, are the Liberty instantly in the lottery?
https://summitthoops.com/2018/02/06/report-new-york-liberty-relocating-westchester/
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| It will also bear watching whether free agent Tina Charles, though cored by the Liberty, decides she wants to stay. She’s been noticeably absent from the parade of signings since free agency began on February 1, and a league source told The Summitt she was waiting for ownership situation to resolve itself before deciding to commit. |
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| Posted: 02/07/18 7:18 pm ::: |
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| Most of the cored players haven't signed. Six of seven remain unsigned.
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| Posted: 02/07/18 7:37 pm ::: |
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| pilight wrote: |
| Most of the cored players haven't signed. Six of seven remain unsigned. |
Shh! How dare you introduce facts into a contrived Megdal 'story'. |
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| Posted: 02/07/18 8:11 pm ::: |
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| pilight wrote: |
| Most of the cored players haven't signed. Six of seven remain unsigned. |
Shh! How dare you introduce facts into a contrived Megdal 'story'. |
I really wish these discussions weren't as filled with rumors from anonymous sources plus statements from named sources known to be untrustworthy. What's next? A teenager in the playground whom I've never seen before said that the second cousin of some kid he knows said he had heard that it was somewhere in the National Enquirer that the Liberty were moving to Montana in 2019.
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| Posted: 02/07/18 11:14 pm ::: |
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| Also another fact is NY hasn't signed anyone yet. So my guess is all reserved, restricted and cored players will be back with the team.
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| Posted: 02/08/18 12:30 am ::: |
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| Bob Lamm wrote: |
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| pilight wrote: |
| Most of the cored players haven't signed. Six of seven remain unsigned. |
Shh! How dare you introduce facts into a contrived Megdal 'story'. |
I really wish these discussions weren't as filled with rumors from anonymous sources plus statements from named sources known to be untrustworthy. What's next? A teenager in the playground whom I've never seen before said that the second cousin of some kid he knows said he had heard that it was somewhere in the National Enquirer that the Liberty were moving to Montana in 2019. |
Actually, I think that's how Barcoff got "Golden State in 2019."
Everything Megdal writes needs to be looked at carefully. He throws these vague "what if" scenarios out there that get people asking. It basically creates a story. The only fact is that NY is the only team without a signing. But without any context or investigation, it's like trolling a line out there hoping to get a bite. Just swim away.
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| Posted: 02/08/18 12:52 am ::: |
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| Everything Megdal writes needs to be looked at carefully. He throws these vague "what if" scenarios out there that get people asking. It basically creates a story. The only fact is that NY is the only team without a signing. But without any context or investigation, it's like trolling a line out there hoping to get a bite. Just swim away. |
Yes. "Just swim away" (from any discussion of rumors from anonymous or dubious sources) is what I wish people would do far more often.
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| Posted: 02/08/18 2:13 pm ::: |
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Well Liberty fans I can now officially say you got screwed.
Two games at MSG, both 11 am tipoffs.
6/5 vs Phoenix,
8/6 vs Seattle.
Rest of the games at the Westchester County Center
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| Posted: 02/08/18 2:24 pm ::: |
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So, I guess that was the reason for the additional delay. Dolan wanted to take back four more dates. Let me add my belated:
FUCK YOU, DOLAN!
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| Posted: 02/08/18 2:24 pm ::: |
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Well Liberty fans I can now officially say you got screwed.
Two games at MSG, both 11 am tipoffs.
6/5 vs Phoenix,
8/6 vs Seattle.
Rest of the games at the Westchester County Center |
They haven't been shy about saying they got screwed already.
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| Posted: 02/08/18 2:25 pm ::: |
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Well Liberty fans I can now officially say you got screwed.
Two games at MSG, both 11 am tipoffs.
6/5 vs Phoenix,
8/6 vs Seattle.
Rest of the games at the Westchester County Center |
Why would anyone have expected anything else? It's the same arrangement the Mystics are doing with their G-League facility.
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| Posted: 02/08/18 2:27 pm ::: |
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| If he didn't get the money he wanted, I thought he might try to show some games at MSG to maintain some value. This sure isn't going to help IMO.
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| Posted: 02/08/18 2:31 pm ::: |
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| The value isn’t in the venue. The value is in the players and their contracts. He can probably sell the team to Lacob next season, so savor this season.
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| Posted: 02/08/18 2:34 pm ::: |
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| Oh, and it should go without saying but copying a business plan from the Mystics is never a good idea.
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| Posted: 02/08/18 2:56 pm ::: |
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| Is there a better option on the venue?
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| Posted: 02/08/18 2:59 pm ::: |
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| Oh, and it should go without saying but copying a business plan from the Mystics is never a good idea. |
I LOL'd, doesn't get more true than this
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| Posted: 02/08/18 3:00 pm ::: |
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| One of the MSG games is on a Monday. The last time the Lib hosted a game on a Monday was 24 July 2006 against Connecticut.
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| Posted: 02/08/18 3:21 pm ::: |
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| Wow. Only 2 games at MSG?!?! And both are camp days.
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| Posted: 02/08/18 3:28 pm ::: |
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| This is directed towards Liberty fans and other people who regularly attend their games. Do you see yourself and more importantly casual fans and tourists still attending with regularity in this new location? If not relocation may be the best bet, given the costs associated with running a business in the greater NYC area. It seems like it is a big pr disaster though, being booted from the Garden. Personally I think the Knicks should be booted too. Last bit of glory I can remember from that once proud franchise was in 2000.
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| Posted: 02/08/18 4:09 pm ::: |
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| I don't see tourists making the trek to Westchester. I think convenience, location, and MSG being an iconic arena were the big factors in them wanting to attend an event there - not the team. As a STH since 1999, I'm disappointed that I'll only be able to see maybe 7 or 8 home games this season.
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| Posted: 02/08/18 4:26 pm ::: |
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| Shades wrote: |
| The value isn’t in the venue. The value is in the players and their contracts. He can probably sell the team to Lacob next season, so savor this season. |
And your business background is what again?
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| Posted: 02/08/18 4:40 pm ::: |
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| This is directed towards Liberty fans and other people who regularly attend their games. Do you see yourself and more importantly casual fans and tourists still attending with regularity in this new location? If not relocation may be the best bet, given the costs associated with running a business in the greater NYC area. It seems like it is a big pr disaster though, being booted from the Garden. Personally I think the Knicks should be booted too. Last bit of glory I can remember from that once proud franchise was in 2000. |
I've been a season subscriber for 16 seasons and going to games since the home opener in 1997. I'm about to tell my rep to drop me to a weekend plan at best. This is absolute unmitigated horseshit.
No one's going to plan a trip to White Plains to take in the Westchester County Center. No tourists. No casual fans. Hardly any of the dedicated fans. This is fucking horseshit.
FUCK YOU DOLAN.
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| Posted: 02/08/18 4:52 pm ::: |
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MSG communication at its finest: just got off the phone with the rep. He can't officially say anything about Westchester until tomorrow. Even though the schedule's already out.
Oh my God fuck Jim Dolan why do I love this team?
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| Posted: 02/08/18 4:59 pm ::: |
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| josephkramer44 wrote: |
| This is directed towards Liberty fans and other people who regularly attend their games. Do you see yourself and more importantly casual fans and tourists still attending with regularity in this new location? If not relocation may be the best bet, given the costs associated with running a business in the greater NYC area. It seems like it is a big pr disaster though, being booted from the Garden. Personally I think the Knicks should be booted too. Last bit of glory I can remember from that once proud franchise was in 2000. |
One of the few WNBA situations where I actually have personal experience. I'm a sports fan, I was in New York on holiday, but it was the summer (as with many holidays that people take). So the NBA was out of season. But we looked at the MSG schedule, saw that there was a WNBA game on there while we were in town, and went to that instead (this was long before I was as invested in the WNBA as I am now). We even paid significantly more than we typically would've done for tickets, because it was 'once in a blue moon' kind of thing.
You do that for a Madison Square Garden event; you sure as hell don't for the Westchester County Center. I guess they'll hope to draw some people from the local area who wouldn't have made the trip into Manhattan in the past (not that that worked in Jersey), but the tourist sales are dead. |
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