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Richyyy
Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 24356 Location: London
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Posted: 02/06/18 10:13 pm ::: |
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You think they're getting the #4 pick in a draft class people like for an RFA where it's questionable if they'd even match a straight offer sheet? |
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Nerd2
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Posted: 02/06/18 10:19 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
Considering how you feel about Megdal, I’m a little surprised you have so much faith in his numbers. I don’t understand why younger players would make more than the senior players. But assuming these numbers are somewhere in the ballpark, there’s no guarantee that Howard will need max to be kept. I think you’re saying they would have $179K to pay Kizer and a rotation guard if they went with 11. So what’s the problem? |
I have presented math. Your opinion of my opinion is not relevant to the math. What 11 would you go with then? I assume you mean max Howard and lost one of Fagbenle, Zandalasini or draft pick? Yes, I did say that option would work as well. So, who would you drop?
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J-Spoon
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Posted: 02/06/18 10:21 pm ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
You think they're getting the #4 pick in a draft class people like for an RFA where it's questionable if they'd even match a straight offer sheet? |
Yes.
If Howard wanted to just sign and see what happens I feel like that could have happened by now. And it seems the Lynx still have the cap space ATM to match and are probably posturing that they would do so.
Chicago doesn't have a starting level PF, and the coach like the type of player that can stretch the floor.
Because Chicago has two top picks they can afford to move one unlike other teams that might be making other offers.
If Chicago is going into a win now kind of thought process a player like Howard will do more for them, then getting a second top rookie, especially when they will also be adding another rookie with Coates.
If Minny is going to give up there young post of the future it is going to have to get something pretty valuable in return.
IMO Howard is edging her way up to being really good. If Chicago plays hard ball maybe they get Minny to send back their #12 pick, but I think Howard for #4 straight up in this situation could be a fair deal for both teams.
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Shades
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Posted: 02/06/18 10:24 pm ::: |
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I have repeatedly stated that Maya does not need a full time backup, so Zandalasini is my easy answer.
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Nerd2
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Shades
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blaase22
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J-Spoon
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Posted: 02/07/18 1:16 am ::: |
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J-Spoon wrote: |
Richyyy wrote: |
You think they're getting the #4 pick in a draft class people like for an RFA where it's questionable if they'd even match a straight offer sheet? |
If Howard wanted to just sign and see what happens I feel like that could have happened by now. And it seems the Lynx still have the cap space ATM to match and are probably posturing that they would do so. |
Not necessarily. If you remember back when Maya signed her first free agent contract, she had us waiting until like May before she signed. She had me sweating buckets. Her excuse was she couldn’t find a printer or fax. She was playing in China just like Howard is now.
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Because Chicago has two top picks they can afford to move one unlike other teams that might be making other offers. |
I guess you’re not buying that #1 for #3 + #4 rumor.
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If Chicago is going into a win now kind of thought process a player like Howard will do more for them, then getting a second top rookie, especially when they will also be adding another rookie with Coates. |
It’s Minnesota that’s in win-now mode. It’s that closing window thing. If you agree with this, wouldn’t you recommend that the Lynx keep Howard? |
Rumors are rumors, speculation is speculation.
If I was Minnesota I would keep Howard.
If I was Minnesota and was going to trade Howard I would expect something pretty good in return.
If I was Howard, I don't know? Minny seems like a pretty good gig, great team support, they're perennial contenders, she'll probably get decent minutes, Brunson isn't getting any younger and Natasha can get some minutes at the 3 behind Moore as well. But it doesn't seem too crazy to think Howard might want to start or have a more crucial role.
Something that I didn't factor in is maybe Howard doesn't want to go to Chicago. I believe for a sign and trade the player has to be on board with the final destination. If Howard is OK with playing in Minny but isn't sure if the offer is there she could always sign a contract somewhere else (that she would theoretically want to go) and leave the ball in Minny's court.
But you are correct, if she wants to stay, and Minny wants her there isn't any rush to sign the contract, but considering 80% or RFA have already inked their deals it does lead to some fun speculation. (I'm assuming no one has offered Hartley anything amazing, and she and NY were just waiting to have some sort of finality to the ownership drama before she re-signs.)
#1 for #3 and #4 feels like a closer to the draft kind of trade. You have to wait and see if anyone declares. Taking Wilson at #1 seems like and easy choice for The Aces, and Chicago with their gaping hole at PF would be foolish to turn it down if it is out there, but who knows?
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justintyme
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mavcarter #NATC
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dtsnms
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Posted: 02/07/18 10:07 am ::: |
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J-Spoon wrote: |
Richyyy wrote: |
You think they're getting the #4 pick in a draft class people like for an RFA where it's questionable if they'd even match a straight offer sheet? |
Yes.
If Howard wanted to just sign and see what happens I feel like that could have happened by now. And it seems the Lynx still have the cap space ATM to match and are probably posturing that they would do so.
Chicago doesn't have a starting level PF, and the coach like the type of player that can stretch the floor.
Because Chicago has two top picks they can afford to move one unlike other teams that might be making other offers.
If Chicago is going into a win now kind of thought process a player like Howard will do more for them, then getting a second top rookie, especially when they will also be adding another rookie with Coates.
If Minny is going to give up there young post of the future it is going to have to get something pretty valuable in return.
IMO Howard is edging her way up to being really good. If Chicago plays hard ball maybe they get Minny to send back their #12 pick, but I think Howard for #4 straight up in this situation could be a fair deal for both teams. |
Who said Chicago's involved?
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Ay Mate
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Posted: 02/07/18 10:11 am ::: |
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I’m thinking Pondexter and or Kizer is headed to Minnesota. Maybe both. I saw something on twitter that said champagne will be in order when they announce who they’ve signed. Anyone hear anything about these possible signings?
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Richyyy
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Posted: 02/07/18 10:18 am ::: |
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Ay Mate wrote: |
I saw something on twitter that said champagne will be in order when they announce who they’ve signed. |
Heh. That one might be a little cleverer than you're giving it credit for. |
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Queenie
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Posted: 02/07/18 12:17 pm ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
Ay Mate wrote: |
I saw something on twitter that said champagne will be in order when they announce who they’ve signed. |
Heh. That one might be a little cleverer than you're giving it credit for. |
*goes through database to search for Illinois alumnae*
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Randy
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Posted: 02/07/18 12:19 pm ::: |
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And here I was thinking Celine Dumerc was making a comeback.
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SpaceJunkie
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Posted: 02/07/18 12:25 pm ::: |
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And here I was thinking Celine Dumerc was making a comeback. |
The Lynx did draft a French kid in the 2nd round last year, Lisa Berkani, but I know nothing about her, or if she's any good or not.
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Richyyy
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Posted: 02/07/18 12:31 pm ::: |
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Well you're getting warmer, but I'd be frankly stunned if anyone got it. |
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Randy
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Posted: 02/07/18 12:32 pm ::: |
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How about Yacobou?
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Nerd2
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Posted: 02/07/18 12:47 pm ::: |
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By the way, Lisa Berkani expects to report, too.
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Shades
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Posted: 02/07/18 12:50 pm ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
Well you're getting warmer, but I'd be frankly stunned if anyone got it. |
I mentioned Marine Johannès as a player that may deserve a look.
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Ay Mate
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Posted: 02/07/18 12:52 pm ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
Well you're getting warmer, but I'd be frankly stunned if anyone got it. |
Hmm. He said French, and you said getting warmer....
Sandrine Gruda? Celine Dumerc?
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dtsnms
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Posted: 02/07/18 1:34 pm ::: |
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Ay Mate wrote: |
I’m thinking Pondexter and or Kizer is headed to Minnesota. Maybe both. I saw something on twitter that said champagne will be in order when they announce who they’ve signed. Anyone hear anything about these possible signings? |
Who said the champagne was for Minnesota?
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dtsnms
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dtsnms
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Posted: 02/07/18 1:45 pm ::: |
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Well, I guess we are about to find out!
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lynxmania
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Posted: 02/07/18 1:47 pm ::: |
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Howard to Seattle for a 2018 2nd Rounder and the right to swap 1st Round Picks in 2019
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