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Randy
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Posted: 02/06/18 5:06 pm ::: |
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The Dream only moved a few miles and it has really hurt the game crowds (even more than what the published figures say.) The lack of Marta access is a killer for many people.
There is a new 3500 seat arena being built for the Hawk g-league team right next to Atlanta airport. I'm sure hoping that does not become the site for Dream games (though it might have Marta access) though it does seem this sort of thing is becoming the norm for WNBA teams.
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Bob Lamm
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Posted: 02/06/18 5:07 pm ::: |
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When you think that starting in 2019, 5 teams will be playing in arenas that seat under 10k. How much can the league really improve on attendance this way? |
If the teams in small arenas can fill up its much better for the league to create a demand to go to games and I dont see why being in a giant space is a good thing? |
But that's a big assumption. I can tell you right now that attendance in Westchester would a) drop like a rock, b) probably be about the same percentage of capacity used as current attendance at MSG.
I know, speaking for myself and Happycappie, that I would have to cut back to a partial plan at best if the Liberty moved to Westchester. I say this as a fan who's been willing to travel and who made the hike out to Newark for damn near every game for three years. I say this as a fan of low-major women's basketball who's been to games at some truly embarrassing facilities.
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sigur3
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Posted: 02/06/18 5:10 pm ::: |
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Queenie wrote: |
Can I get a "FUCK YOU DOLAN" from the choir? |
Does he have a Twitter account? Asking for a friend.
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jmvcity
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Posted: 02/06/18 5:15 pm ::: |
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And if they plan on having weeknight games at 7pm, I can't imagine those who work in the city wanting to make that train ride up there, especially if they might miss the first quarter. At least the trip to Newark was about a half hour (train and walking). They might as well make every weekday home game be a camp day.
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Shades
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WNBA 09
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Posted: 02/06/18 5:45 pm ::: |
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Only 5,000 seats? |
Yikes , Maybe those attendance #'s of the past were a bit inflated Much if they believe 5000 is serviceable for the liberty ? |
A LOT of people are not going to go to games there. 5000 seats is actually enough. They’ll actually be lucky if they get 4000 fans per game. Same thing will happen when DC moves to their tuna can. No one is going to go. I think the DC arena only holds 4500. They’ll get half that. Same thing in Dallas, playing at the smaller arena they play in. No one goes. These smaller arenas may be cheaper to rent out, but when no one goes to the games, they’re still not going to make any profits. It’s the beginning of the end |
I think a major factor seems to be most of these small venues the W uses are not geographically close to the city they represent . I dont know how far Westechester is from Downtown NY , but Speaking for my Wings . We play in Arlington in which is about a 25 minute drive from Downtown dallas were the Mavericks play . Arlington is an up and coming suburb , but its not Dallas at all . Most wings fans i know only get to about 1 or 2 games a season due to the distance and other people i know here in dallas didnt even know the WNBA existed here due to them playing in arlington and NOT dallas. Theres no public transportation no rail service going to Arlington , all of that is located in DALLAS. This is something that needs to be addressed in my opinion .
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pilight
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Posted: 02/06/18 5:51 pm ::: |
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Maybe the Hawks ownership will take over the Dream and move them into that joint. |
The W has been steadily moving away from NBA co-ownership. The Liberty sale brings the number down to four. Let's not backtrack.
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WNBA 09
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Posted: 02/06/18 5:54 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
Maybe the Hawks ownership will take over the Dream and move them into that joint. |
The W has been steadily moving away from NBA co-ownership. The Liberty sale brings the number down to four. Let's not backtrack. |
Well the W just backtracked with the liberty moving out of MSG in my eyes. 1 step backward for every 2 steps forward maybe ?
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Shades
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Posted: 02/06/18 6:00 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
Maybe the Hawks ownership will take over the Dream and move them into that joint. |
The W has been steadily moving away from NBA co-ownership. The Liberty sale brings the number down to four. Let's not backtrack. |
You don’t want NBA ownership? I love NBA ownership. Wouldn’t want it any other way. Depends on the owner, I guess.
If it becomes zero NBA owners, what interest would NBA have in supporting WNBA?
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toad455
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Posted: 02/06/18 6:05 pm ::: |
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WNBA 09 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
Maybe the Hawks ownership will take over the Dream and move them into that joint. |
The W has been steadily moving away from NBA co-ownership. The Liberty sale brings the number down to four. Let's not backtrack. |
Well the W just backtracked with the liberty moving out of MSG in my eyes. 1 step backward for every 2 steps forward maybe ? |
this is a big step backwards for the league. And another step back next season when the Mystics move to their little gym.
Capacity wise by 2019 this is what the league is looking at:
Target Center: 19,356
Staples Center: 18,997
Bankers Life Fieldhouse: 18,165
Talking Stick: 18,055
Phillips Arena: 15,711
Mandalay Bay Center: 12,000
Wintrust Arena: 10,387
Key Arena(lower bowl): 9,686
Mohegan Sun: 9,323
College Park Center: 7,200
Westchester Community Center: 5,000
East Entertainment and Sports Arena: 4,200
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WNBA 09
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Posted: 02/06/18 6:08 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
Maybe the Hawks ownership will take over the Dream and move them into that joint. |
The W has been steadily moving away from NBA co-ownership. The Liberty sale brings the number down to four. Let's not backtrack. |
You don’t want NBA ownership? I love NBA ownership. Wouldn’t want it any other way. Depends on the owner, I guess.
If it becomes zero NBA owners, what interest would NBA have in supporting WNBA? |
If it becomes 12 then you have to worry about an owner wanting to dump his team once they dont meet a profit or because he wants some NBA stud for the salary he has to pay his WNBA players. #2001
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Queenie
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Posted: 02/06/18 6:09 pm ::: |
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I did some noodling around with Google Maps. It's about an hour from Midtown, if you're lucky and you can get to and afford Metro-North. For me, it's about two hours one-way home. Longer if I have to cheap out and take a bus back to the subway (yes, there are connections between the Bee-Line buses and the subway; yes, Bee-Line buses take MetroCards)
By the way, Metro-North fare between Grand Central and White Plains is $9.75. Off-peak. One-way. $12.25 peak, which is when you'd be going to a night game.
So yeah, this would not be viable for me and Happycappie in Queens as a full-season plan. Or for my mom and her friends in Brooklyn. Or my former seatmate in Astoria. Or for my buddy in Staten Island. Or my other buddy in Parsippany. Or the woman out on the Island who's close enough to Port Jefferson that she got Sun season tickets during the exile to Newark.
(It might be okay for the lady I know in Mount Vernon and the one who works in New Rochelle, but even that's a little out of the way. Maybe it'll work for that one guy on the 6 train.)
And forget getting the community involved. Something tells me NYC teams are not heading up to White Plains for a game, and I know I've seen high school and college teams at the Garden for games.
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toad455
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Posted: 02/06/18 6:13 pm ::: |
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The Liberty always had the luxury of getting a ton of walk up sales. Either by way of the locals, people getting out of work in NYC & grabbing a ticket last minute or tourists looking to cool off in the summer. The Liberty lose all of those by moving to Westchester.
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Shades
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Posted: 02/06/18 6:14 pm ::: |
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Maybe they’ll come up with a special transportation deal.
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Luuuc #NATC
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Bob Lamm
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Posted: 02/06/18 6:44 pm ::: |
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toad455 wrote: |
The Liberty always had the luxury of getting a ton of walk up sales. Either by way of the locals, people getting out of work in NYC & grabbing a ticket last minute or tourists looking to cool off in the summer. The Liberty lose all of those by moving to Westchester. |
This is exactly right. Walk-up sales in White Plains will be minimal compared to midtown Manhattan. Indeed, by playing at the Garden the team was at a location with many subway and train lines right there for people to get home after a weeknight game.
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allenleavell
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Posted: 02/06/18 6:50 pm ::: |
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WNBA 09 wrote: |
Ay Mate wrote: |
WNBA 09 wrote: |
adamj95 wrote: |
Only 5,000 seats? |
Yikes , Maybe those attendance #'s of the past were a bit inflated Much if they believe 5000 is serviceable for the liberty ? |
A LOT of people are not going to go to games there. 5000 seats is actually enough. They’ll actually be lucky if they get 4000 fans per game. Same thing will happen when DC moves to their tuna can. No one is going to go. I think the DC arena only holds 4500. They’ll get half that. Same thing in Dallas, playing at the smaller arena they play in. No one goes. These smaller arenas may be cheaper to rent out, but when no one goes to the games, they’re still not going to make any profits. It’s the beginning of the end |
I think a major factor seems to be most of these small venues the W uses are not geographically close to the city they represent . I dont know how far Westechester is from Downtown NY , but Speaking for my Wings . We play in Arlington in which is about a 25 minute drive from Downtown dallas were the Mavericks play . Arlington is an up and coming suburb , but its not Dallas at all . Most wings fans i know only get to about 1 or 2 games a season due to the distance and other people i know here in dallas didnt even know the WNBA existed here due to them playing in arlington and NOT dallas. Theres no public transportation no rail service going to Arlington , all of that is located in DALLAS. This is something that needs to be addressed in my opinion . |
Arlington is the largest metro in America that does not have public transportation. Frankly that the way they like it. To be honest only people that care about Women Basketball in DFW because it a hotbed for girls basketball. Like most of us we have interest because of we have connection with AAU girls basketball or women college basketball players. For me I played basketball in college and my wife. Both daughters play in college now so it's what we do.
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Luuuc #NATC
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WNBA 09
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Posted: 02/06/18 6:54 pm ::: |
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Wow At that Map Luuc , Thats like a whole different region of the state !
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pilight
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Posted: 02/06/18 7:01 pm ::: |
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Wow At that Map Luuc , Thats like a whole different region of the state ! |
It's only about 30 miles. I travel twice that for Dream games.
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RHW
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Posted: 02/06/18 7:03 pm ::: |
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wow JD keeps the team?!?
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Queenie
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Posted: 02/06/18 7:08 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
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Wow At that Map Luuc , Thats like a whole different region of the state ! |
It's only about 30 miles. I travel twice that for Dream games. |
Different culture. I know Liberty fans who drive, but they're in the minority from my experience.
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Luuuc #NATC
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Posted: 02/06/18 7:10 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
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Wow At that Map Luuc , Thats like a whole different region of the state ! |
It's only about 30 miles. I travel twice that for Dream games. |
If the average WNBA fan had your level of dedication, the whole league would be in a very difference place today. But alas ...
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Posted: 02/06/18 7:14 pm ::: |
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