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zune69
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Posted: 02/03/18 11:52 am ::: |
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You have to wonder if Izzy Harrison is pretty damn available at this point, though. The've just signed two players to play the 5, and assuming they don't give up the #1 they've got a shiny new young option coming in to play the 4 (presuably for at least 25-30 minutes a night). Depth is always nice in a post rotation, but that doesn't leave a lot of room for Harrison unless she convinces Bill she can play next to Wilson and starts taking minuts away from Bone/Swords.
Meanwhile, Hamby and Coffey better be working on their ability to play the 3. Or just not bother to unpack. |
Chicago desperately needs a PF(Harrison & future 1st rd pk for #4 ?)
I would also package one of the PG's & bench players for a top 7 pick,or All-star caliber player.
LV is in great position to be the team of the future.
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dtbtbtb
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Posted: 02/03/18 1:19 pm ::: |
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As good as this draft looks, the 2019 draft looks even better
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TotalCardinalMove
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Posted: 02/03/18 2:02 pm ::: |
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zune69 wrote: |
Richyyy wrote: |
You have to wonder if Izzy Harrison is pretty damn available at this point, though. The've just signed two players to play the 5, and assuming they don't give up the #1 they've got a shiny new young option coming in to play the 4 (presuably for at least 25-30 minutes a night). Depth is always nice in a post rotation, but that doesn't leave a lot of room for Harrison unless she convinces Bill she can play next to Wilson and starts taking minuts away from Bone/Swords.
Meanwhile, Hamby and Coffey better be working on their ability to play the 3. Or just not bother to unpack. |
Chicago desperately needs a PF(Harrison & future 1st rd pk for #4 ?)
I would also package one of the PG's & bench players for a top 7 pick,or All-star caliber player.
LV is in great position to be the team of the future. |
No one is going to give a top 7 pick for Kelsey Plum and one of their bench players. She has little to no value, and there’s nothing that appealing on the bench. Trading for good players (that could turn into great ones) is never a bad idea, especially when you still have a whole bunch of riff-raff on your bench.
“There’s no guarantee Diamond will be there”. Is that really a bad thing? Landing Kelsey Mitchell and a quality wing would be a grand slam imo. You get a star in Mitchell. Then maybe you can squeeze a pick at the bottom of the first round from Plum and maybe another player, which is more realistic than expecting a pick in the first half of the draft. Players like Vivians, Nurse, Billings, etc would be there.
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zune69
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Posted: 02/03/18 4:42 pm ::: |
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TotalCardinalMove wrote: |
zune69 wrote: |
Richyyy wrote: |
You have to wonder if Izzy Harrison is pretty damn available at this point, though. The've just signed two players to play the 5, and assuming they don't give up the #1 they've got a shiny new young option coming in to play the 4 (presuably for at least 25-30 minutes a night). Depth is always nice in a post rotation, but that doesn't leave a lot of room for Harrison unless she convinces Bill she can play next to Wilson and starts taking minuts away from Bone/Swords.
Meanwhile, Hamby and Coffey better be working on their ability to play the 3. Or just not bother to unpack. |
Chicago desperately needs a PF(Harrison & future 1st rd pk for #4 ?)
I would also package one of the PG's & bench players for a top 7 pick,or All-star caliber player.
LV is in great position to be the team of the future. |
No one is going to give a top 7 pick for Kelsey Plum and one of their bench players. She has little to no value, and there’s nothing that appealing on the bench. Trading for good players (that could turn into great ones) is never a bad idea, especially when you still have a whole bunch of riff-raff on your bench.
“There’s no guarantee Diamond will be there”. Is that really a bad thing? Landing Kelsey Mitchell and a quality wing would be a grand slam imo. You get a star in Mitchell. Then maybe you can squeeze a pick at the bottom of the first round from Plum and maybe another player, which is more realistic than expecting a pick in the first half of the draft. Players like Vivians, Nurse, Billings, etc would be there. |
1.Seattle would probably give LV the #5 pick for Plum & Harrison...The storm could then trade Langhorne for a post/wing....then sign a post/wing.
2.Not a big fan of having a starting trio of Mitchell/Jefferson/McBride(small,defensively weak at pg,sg,and sf).However,Mitchell of the bench would be great...and with the addition of yonug,I can see Bill playing McBride exclusively at SG.
BTW...My “There’s no guarantee Diamond will be there” comment was in response to some people thinking that Bill might trade the #1,then draft DD with the 3rd/4th pk.
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Posted: 02/03/18 8:02 pm ::: |
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Posted: 02/04/18 5:42 pm ::: |
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It would be surprising to see Storm take Brown, she and Peterson who they have are more gunners than PGs.
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 02/05/18 1:19 am ::: |
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Can anyone recall a draft where a player drafted in the top four was sixth in scoring and had the most turnovers on her college team in her senior year, and had made only one 3pt shot in her career?
I can recall a draft where a top four draftee was fourth on her team in scoring as a senior, but she was fourth in TO's and was an occasional career 3pt shooter at 33%.
I can also recall a draft where a top four draftee was third in scoring and had the most turnovers on her team as a senior, but she holds her school's career 3pt record at 46%. |
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The more I see Natalie Butler the more I believe she can make a WNBA team. I can see her moving up into the top of second round, or even the bottom of the first. Admittedly she isn't playing against top competition in the Atlantic 10, but she has enough size and skill to be a serviceable backup, and maybe even develop into a starter.
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Shades
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Posted: 02/05/18 1:54 am ::: |
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The more I see Natalie Butler the more I believe she can make a WNBA team. I can see her moving up into the top of second round, or even the bottom of the first. Admittedly she isn't playing against top competition in the Atlantic 10, but she has enough size and skill to be a serviceable backup, and maybe even develop into a starter. |
This is odd timing because McGrady just made a case that Gabby’s stats on a team filled with prolific scorers aren’t worthy enough for a top prospect. And now you’re saying the player that Gabby bumped from her spot at center and couldn’t find court time with UConn and subsequently left the team is worthy of a first round pick. Did she beast out in the off season to become greatly improved or is it mostly just the lesser competition? First round seems highly improbable to me. Did she show up in the AP two round mock draft? If not, she’s on nobody’s radar.... unless you contend they’re trying to keep her a secret so she got no mention.
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 02/05/18 3:03 pm ::: |
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I'm actually not saying that Gabby Williams will not or should not be picked among the top four. I'm just commenting that she's a very different kind of player who I find difficult to predict in the WNBA, and who has certainly drawn all sorts of hyped attention by the media and is probably the single most talked about player in this thread. And, I confess, I'm tired of announcers raving about her "athleticism" when all she does is grab a rebound or make a steal.
There have been other UConn players who stuffed many box score lines, who were hailed as great defenders, but who were not particularly good shooters: Ashley Battle, Kalana Green and Kelly Faris. None was quite the box score stuffer that Williams has been, but all were much better three-point shooters even though mediocre from that distance.
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I can recall a draft where a top four draftee was fourth on her team in scoring as a senior, but she was fourth in TO's and was an occasional career 3pt shooter at 33%.
I can also recall a draft where a top four draftee was third in scoring and had the most turnovers on her team as a senior, but she holds her school's career 3pt record at 46%. |
Both these players were in the same draft. Can anyone identify them? |
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Posted: 02/05/18 3:27 pm ::: |
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GlennMacGrady wrote: |
I'm actually not saying that Gabby Williams will not or should not be picked among the top four. I'm just commenting that she's a very different kind of player who I find difficult to predict in the WNBA, and who has certainly drawn all sorts of hyped attention by the media and is probably the single most talked about player in this thread. And, I confess, I'm tired of announcers raving about her "athleticism" when all she does is grab a rebound or make a steal.
There have been other UConn players who stuffed many box score lines, who were hailed as great defenders, but who were not particularly good shooters: Ashley Battle, Kalana Green and Kelly Faris. None was quite the box score stuffer that Williams has been, but all were much better three-point shooters even though mediocre from that distance.
GlennMacGrady wrote: |
I can recall a draft where a top four draftee was fourth on her team in scoring as a senior, but she was fourth in TO's and was an occasional career 3pt shooter at 33%.
I can also recall a draft where a top four draftee was third in scoring and had the most turnovers on her team as a senior, but she holds her school's career 3pt record at 46%. |
Both these players were in the same draft. Can anyone identify them? |
Kristi Toliver & Maybe M Coleman ? #WildGuess
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Posted: 02/05/18 3:29 pm ::: |
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Williams will be an effective player with a team that needs what she does best on the basketball court. She will not have to be a Maya Moore clone to become a productive WNBA player. No matter where she is drafted be it the top four in the first round or bottom four in the first round. The team that drafts her must accept her for who she is and not try to transform her into a different type of player.
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Shades
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Posted: 02/05/18 3:35 pm ::: |
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Rock Hard wrote: |
Williams will be an effective player with a team that needs what she does best on the basketball court. She will not have to be a Maya Moore clone to become a productive WNBA player. No matter where she is drafted be it the top four in the first round or bottom four in the first round. The team that drafts her must accept her for who she is and not try to transform her into a different type of player. |
Heh, she’d definitely be on the feedback shooting machine if the Lynx draft her. She’s going to learn to shoot the three as well as Brunson.
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Posted: 02/05/18 3:52 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
Rock Hard wrote: |
Williams will be an effective player with a team that needs what she does best on the basketball court. She will not have to be a Maya Moore clone to become a productive WNBA player. No matter where she is drafted be it the top four in the first round or bottom four in the first round. The team that drafts her must accept her for who she is and not try to transform her into a different type of player. |
Heh, she’d definitely be on the feedback shooting machine if the Lynx draft her. She’s going to learn to shoot the three as well as Brunson. |
Im secretly become a fan of Gabby's . I think she would really excell on a team like Vegas . Her size though is most likely what turns bill away from drafting her. Chicago i think she will struggle to find minutes behind the 3's & 4's they have already .
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Posted: 02/05/18 4:23 pm ::: |
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Posted: 02/05/18 4:26 pm ::: |
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I had high hopes for mavunga as a freshmen . I had her top 4 draft pick , since the transfer she just doesnt seem as aggressive .
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Posted: 02/05/18 4:38 pm ::: |
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GlennMacGrady wrote: |
I'm actually not saying that Gabby Williams will not or should not be picked among the top four. I'm just commenting that she's a very different kind of player who I find difficult to predict in the WNBA, and who has certainly drawn all sorts of hyped attention by the media and is probably the single most talked about player in this thread. And, I confess, I'm tired of announcers raving about her "athleticism" when all she does is grab a rebound or make a steal.
There have been other UConn players who stuffed many box score lines, who were hailed as great defenders, but who were not particularly good shooters: Ashley Battle, Kalana Green and Kelly Faris. None was quite the box score stuffer that Williams has been, but all were much better three-point shooters even though mediocre from that distance.
GlennMacGrady wrote: |
I can recall a draft where a top four draftee was fourth on her team in scoring as a senior, but she was fourth in TO's and was an occasional career 3pt shooter at 33%.
I can also recall a draft where a top four draftee was third in scoring and had the most turnovers on her team as a senior, but she holds her school's career 3pt record at 46%. |
Both these players were in the same draft. Can anyone identify them? |
Followed a hunch. Checked the stats. Hunch was correct. Asjha Jones and Sue Bird, 2002.
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PickledGinger
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Posted: 02/05/18 4:58 pm ::: |
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GlennMacGrady wrote: |
GlennMacGrady wrote: |
I can recall a draft where a top four draftee was fourth on her team in scoring as a senior, but she was fourth in TO's and was an occasional career 3pt shooter at 33%.
I can also recall a draft where a top four draftee was third in scoring and had the most turnovers on her team as a senior, but she holds her school's career 3pt record at 46%. |
Both these players were in the same draft. Can anyone identify them? |
Sue Bird & Asjha Jones?
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PickledGinger
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Posted: 02/05/18 5:03 pm ::: |
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Dammit you beat me to it Queenie! Where did you find the stats? I couldn’t get it to load on UConn’s website.
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Where do you guys think T. Scaife falls in this draft ? I think she's one of those players who will be around in this league for years , but people have seem to forget about her since her missing last season . This girl has game and id take her before Vivians , Nared , Nurse , ect....Anyone after #7 , id Take Scaife instead.
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