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PostPosted: 01/19/18 1:51 pm    ::: The Schumer Shutdown Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 01/19/18 2:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Pretty impressive that one Democrat can shut down the government when the Republicans hold the house and senate and White House.



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PostPosted: 01/19/18 2:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Interesting to me that the key issue that Congress is focusing on is another amnesty for people here illegally, and most are unconcerned about doing anything with regard to enforcing workplace hiring rules such that more amnesties won't be called for in the future. Would like to see poor Americans become a key concern of Congress, but employers being able to hire Latin Americans illegally still has precedence. The Democrats also get voters from it all. The Republicans apparently think that someday the Latin Americans will switch parties or they would rather save money on illegal workers now, regardless of losing political races in the future.


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PostPosted: 01/19/18 2:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Pretty impressive that one Democrat can shut down the government when the Republicans hold the house and senate and White House.


That's just rhetorical nothingness and actually not how it works. If Republicans (or either party) were in control there would be no shut down. Same as the Dems. What makes the Schumer Shutdown so golden and this 'counterpoint' rhetoric so impotent isn't necessarily fact-based anyway. It's really comes down to the political tradecraft as represented in the branding effort. Schumer Shutdown wins that one going away. But... unfortunately... there's truth to it as well. I don't have to tell anyone how I feel about Mitch McConnell, he's a slimy turtle-headed worm. But he NAILED IT on the floor of the senate this morning. NAILED IT. Politically and TRUTHFULLY.

This is a SICK moment in American political history. We are going to shut the United States government down, Democrats are going to shut the government down, because we're not dealing with the needs of a group of illegal immigrants in the precise way in which the Democrats, which is to say their resistance minded progressive base, want those Dreamers dealt with. We're going to shut the government down because of a disagreement about dealing with under a million illegal immigrants. That's madness. And political poison. And the devil is in the details. It doesn't even come down to what we're going to do with the Dreamers. It comes down to the fact that that BECAUSE Trump said some unacceptable shit the progressive base and the Democrats THINK they can get a DACA deal with little or no border security. There have been protests BY Dreamers, nasty protests against Nancy Pelosi, wherein in Dreamers protested ANY DACA deal that included border security or funding for a wall.

Shocked

That is some batshit crazy shit. And even Nancy Pelosi was freaked and pissed.

This is what this is all about. No attaching much in the way of border security to a DACA bill. Let's shut down the fucking government. For illegal immigrants. So we don't dare add to the border fencing or wall or anything. Because Trump said some countries are shitholes.

You couldn't make this shit up.

You look at this Trump voters NYTimes letter feature and read those perspectives, plus a lot of the comments to those letters from Trump voters, watch the CNN report where they interview some Trump voters... you look at all this shit and (okay, I'll stop saying YOU) 'I' really am afraid we are at a political breaking point where enough FRESH people are going to turn on the Democrats and the agenda they are advocating to MORE than make up for people who are drifting away from Trump. Trump is a half a madman. And the other half is an idiot. But the Resistance and fighting him on border security is an ongoing act of mass political suicide.


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PostPosted: 01/19/18 3:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Trump and Schumer are meeting at the White House. Hopefully they are alone. Please God let them be alone. Laughing I don't like either one of them but on some level I do believe if left to themselves they will make a deal.


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PostPosted: 01/19/18 3:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sure. It's the Democrats' fault. That is beyond silly.

The simple truth is that the Republicans should not expect Democratic votes if they include things that are unpalatable to the Democrats. When you have the numbers to not require a single Democrat to vote on your bill, and you can't get it done, you can't blame the other party. Well, you can, but it is eyeroll worthy bullshit.



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PostPosted: 01/19/18 3:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Gee - haven't I seen this movie before.


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PostPosted: 01/19/18 4:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
Sure. It's the Democrats' fault. That is beyond silly.

The simple truth is that the Republicans should not expect Democratic votes if they include things that are unpalatable to the Democrats. When you have the numbers to not require a single Democrat to vote on your bill, and you can't get it done, you can't blame the other party. Well, you can, but it is eyeroll worthy bullshit.


Co-signed. Republican House, Republican Senate, Republican President, and somehow it's the Democrats' fault? For fucking serious? We can't even get shit done when we *do* have power, and these guys think we can get shit done when we don't?

Also, more than a few Democrats are also making this about CHIP, not just DACA/DREAMers.



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PostPosted: 01/19/18 5:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

lol. Pretty much the reality is one party will rarely be able to prevent the other party from shutting down the gov. Plus people can’t imagine that the Republicans, who are, as you guys are pointing out, in control of the exec branch and both houses of Congress, are shutting the gov down themselves. It doesn’t make sense as a picture. Optically. Quinippiac poll says more Americans will blame the Dems. It’s pretty simple. Dems want a clean DACA bill with no border security because their base does not want them to give any concession to Trump, who said something about some countries being shitholes. What am I getting wrong here. Teach me.


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PostPosted: 01/19/18 5:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

New CNN numbers. Conducted between Jan 14-18.

Who would be responsible for a government shutdown?

31% Dems
26% Repugs
21% Trumpilicious


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PostPosted: 01/19/18 5:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CNN’s Dana Bash, right now.

“The other thing is that the dynamic among Democrats right now is push, push, push, resist, resist, resist. Use this moment of leverage to get what they want because the feeling is that that’s the mood in the Democratic base.”


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PostPosted: 01/19/18 5:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Dana Bash continues.

“One of the things that really surprised me about our brand new poll today is that among Democrats — just Democrats were asked, which is more important, avoiding a shut down or continuing DACA? [the results were] 42% and 49% [respectively] They’re weren’t that different and I wonder if Democrats are misreading the base.”


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PostPosted: 01/19/18 6:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
New CNN numbers. Conducted between Jan 14-18.

Who would be responsible for a government shutdown?

31% Dems
26% Repugs
21% Trumpilicious

In other words, only 31% would blame the Democrats. That is a very low number for this sort of thing. For the vast majority that doesn't blame the Dems, it seems they are split on who to blame.

Either way it is good news for the Dems. Why negotiate against themselves when the Republicans will look like the fools who can't govern? The narrative will go "give the government to the Republicans and it all goes to shit". The more the Republican government looks like the dumpster fire it is, the better for the Dems in 2018 and 2020. If the Republicans want Democratic votes, they need to be willing to do it on Democratic terms.



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PostPosted: 01/19/18 7:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

That’s a kind perspective on those numbers. You can’t put the Republicans and Trump together and say there’s more people blaming them. The respondents had distinct choices of who to blame. Trump faired the best and the Dems did the worst. End of story.


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PostPosted: 01/19/18 7:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
That’s a kind perspective on those numbers. You can’t put the Republicans and Trump together and say there’s more people blaming them. The respondents had distinct choices of who to blame. Trump faired the best and the Dems did the worst. End of story.

No. By nature Trump and the Republicans were going to split votes. The idea that Americans are going to blame the minority party yhat controls zero of the government is not grounded in reality. They see the Republicans in control. The blame the Republicans or Trump. 31% basically represents the hardcore Republican base who blame the Dems.



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PostPosted: 01/19/18 7:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

We’ll see. Cool


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jammerbirdi wrote:
That’s a kind perspective on those numbers. You can’t put the Republicans and Trump together and say there’s more people blaming them. The respondents had distinct choices of who to blame. Trump faired the best and the Dems did the worst. End of story.


Of course you put the two together and say more people blame the GOP than the Democrats. Trump is the GOP. He is the leader of the party. They are one and the same.


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PostPosted: 01/19/18 8:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Trump came out the least to blame for the shutdown in a CNN poll. Mark it up any way you want.


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PostPosted: 01/19/18 9:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Trump came out the least to blame for the shutdown in a CNN poll. Mark it up any way you want.

That is as it should be. The budget is on congress unless he is threatening to veto it. Which he's not. This falls squarely on the shoulders of congressional Republicans.



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PostPosted: 01/19/18 9:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
Trump came out the least to blame for the shutdown in a CNN poll. Mark it up any way you want.


Republicans take the most blame by a wide margin. Mark it up any way you want.


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PostPosted: 01/19/18 10:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
Trump came out the least to blame for the shutdown in a CNN poll. Mark it up any way you want.

That is as it should be. The budget is on congress unless he is threatening to veto it. Which he's not. This falls squarely on the shoulders of congressional Republicans.


Um. Congress? Yes. Congressional Republicans and NOT the Democrats? I don't believe there's a chance of that. Those polls show the Dems will get their share of the blame. This is more, IMO, going to come down to does the American people blame the president or congress. They're going to blame congress. But we're just arguing here about where the fallout might land for a shutdown. This is related, but this is what EVERYONE knows in Washington and it's said here by Rich Lowry on CNN. CNN is actually, for the first time in months, worth watching as something actually political is going down instead of the other never ending shit like Russia and all of that.

Rich Lowry: Your [Schumer] caucus is, if you're looking at it, objectively, forcing a shutdown of the government. Codifying DACA is definitely very popular. Shutting down the government to try to force the codification of DACA, as the CNN poll showed today, is not necessarily very popular etc.

And to this, I might add, Maggie Haberman was nodding in agreement. WHO ARE YOU to disagree if Maggie Haberman was nodding in agreement. Think about that, Rebkellioristas.


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PostPosted: 01/20/18 12:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Again, how is this on the Dems in any way? The Republicans couldn't get their shit in order so they went looking to the Dems to bail them out. The Dems told them exactly what their votes would cost: a clean DACA bill. That is all the Republicans needed to add and they would have their budget.

They couldn't do that, so why should the Dems bail out the Republicans? How is it the fault of the party that has no control over any part of the current federal government? If your party owns both houses and the presidency, governing is your responsibility and any failures in doing so (like a government shutdown) belong solely to you and your party.

Think about it. What we are seeing here is unprecedented. Never has one party controled all of Washington and yet not be able to keep the government running.



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PostPosted: 01/20/18 12:27 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

And it's now official.

The Government is shut down.

We're. All. Gonna. Die.

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PostPosted: 01/20/18 10:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I went outside at midnight (9PM here) and yep, I could feel it in the air. “Shut down! We’re all shut down,” I said to myself. Then they came and brought me back inside and I had some delicious applesauce.


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PostPosted: 01/20/18 10:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

the repugs delayed on the re-authorization of CHIP, for no reason. except to put people's emotions on a roller-coaster. now they want to use it as some sort of badge of honor that they're willing to now fund it for 6 years.

Jammer: there was a bipartisan bill from Graham & Durbin that 45, after saying he'd sign any bill put before him, did his usual aboutface & backed out. great negotiator, eh? and that was only the first offering. apparently when Schumer went to the WH, his compromise was to fund a portion of the wall. so what did 45 do? yep, he rejected it.

so you tell me, Jammer, who's the obstructionist? even McConnell says party leadership doesn't have a clue what 45 does or doesn't want. and for that, we can all thank John Kelly who dissuaded 45 that the Graham-Durbin bill would piss off his base. well guess what, your base is only ~35% and you've now really pissed of the other 65% of us!



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PostPosted: 01/20/18 11:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Let’s just say that’s all true. I mean some of it is political rhetoric but I don’t disagree that Trump is burning bridges on all sides much like Arnold (another entertainment figure) did soon after taking over as governor of California.

But here is something that is also true. We would not be here if Trump hadn’t made the ‘shithole’ comments. That created an opening for the resistance side of the Democratic Party to put immense pressure on the Democratic leadership to not be seen as having worked with Trump to resolve anything at all. Plus, it would be impossible for the Elizabeth Warrens and Cory Bookers, senators with higher ambitions, to be seen as voting for and thus participating in Trump averting a shut down by being Trump the dealmaker in chief. These things are as real as any other aspect of this mess.

Now. As long as we’re shut down I’d like to take this opportunity to catch up on some badly needed napping. If you don’t mind.


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PostPosted: 01/20/18 7:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This issue, like so many others stem from the same, tired old mantras the political parties use to defend their positions while trying to ridicule the other side's.

Democrats/Liberals: "You're too paranoid!"

Republicians/Conservatives: "You're not paranoid enough!"

And they would both rather repeat themselves over and over again instead of releasing their hang-ups and come together in the middle to find a common-ground solution.



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PostPosted: 01/20/18 8:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

U.S. Armed Forces personnel will not be able to see the NFL playoffs this Sunday! Shocked

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/20/politics/afn-network-government-shutdown/index.html



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PostPosted: 01/20/18 10:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

StevenHW wrote:
U.S. Armed Forces personnel will not be able to see the NFL playoffs this Sunday! Shocked

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/20/politics/afn-network-government-shutdown/index.html


"I received this from a young infantryman serving in Afghanistan this morning. Sad that the men and women who have sacrificed so much are deprived of even the most basic connection to home bc Democrats are playing political games. #SchumerShutdown"

Um... Ms. Republican? Aren't you a part of the personal responsibility party? Where is the republican's fault in all of this?



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PostPosted: 01/21/18 10:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Senate GOP refuses to go to 51% to end the shutdown. Who is to blame now? They were happy to do it for the Supreme Court nominee.


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PostPosted: 01/21/18 11:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

let's play who's the obstructionist:

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) tried to pass a bill guaranteeing military pay and death benefits during the gov’t shutdown — and GOP leader Mitch McConnell blocked it.

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It was reported that the AFN will broadcast the NFL games after all.



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PostPosted: 01/22/18 1:21 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't care who gets blamed for the shutdown. Indeed by the time November rolls around very few people will even care about the government shutdown. There will be some that might bring it up, but almost all will either be reporters trying to make a story where none exists or extreme partisans who made up their mind about how they were voting long before the shutdown.

From my standpoint the biggest problem I have with the shutdown is that once again the Trump administration has shown itself totally uninterested in doing even the most basic aspects of governing. The possibility of a shutdown has been looming for quite awhile, and yet it is clear the administration gave it no thought as to the ramifications. We now have a shutdown where the Air Force Academy decided they couldn't play their basketball games but the Army and Navy played theirs. We have a flu epidemic that has killed 30 children but as of Saturday night no one at the CDC had been informed whether or not they were working Monday. Some National Parks are open; others are closed, and the rationale for the differences are not entirely clear. The Statue of Liberty was closed this weekend but is presumably opening either Monday or Tuesday with money from the State of New York.

The ramifications of the shutdown will grow larger every day it continues. For instance I was asked today whether the shutdown would affect health insurance for people who bought their insurance through the national exchange. It is an interesting question, but one for which I doubt I will be able to get a definitive answer. Presumably the government will not be making its share of the premium payments if the shutdown extends to February 1. I am certain there are 100 other questions that are similarly interesting that effect many peoples lives, but I doubt there has been any significant thought given to any of them.

It is as if every decision is made without thought, and certainly without consistency. Even now, if news reports are to be believed (and generally I do, albeit with some skepticism) it appears that the Senate may be close to a potential short tem fix and they have put it together without White House input because NEITHER side feels they can trust Trump. Whether the deal can hold together overnight, be accepted by the House and signed by our buffoon-in-chief we should know tomorrow, but even this deal will only kick the can down the road 3 weeks.

I worked in state government as a Republican working for a Democratic governor during the Clinton administration. I saw some partisan battles as well as bipartisan work getting done, even during the impeachment fight. There was a way of segregating issues, trusting individuals in general even if you were diametrically opposed on some points. Trump certainly does not understand this, and it seems he has either surrounded himself with other people who are similarly narrow-minded or he demands such fealty that none of his trusted lieutenants can be trusted either.


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There was a way of segregating issues, trusting individuals in general even if you were diametrically opposed on some points. Trump certainly does not understand this....


Think about it: he cut his teeth in the world of NYC real estate. (As Shumer said: it's like negotiating with Jello) Then he gets caught up in the Ego-centric world of TV ratings with The Apprentice. He's brought an entirely new standard to the milieu. And it AIN'T a good one.



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"Schumer Shutdown" as accurate as "Democrats pass tax bill".



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Anyone who DVR’d John King’s Inside Politics today on (cough, choke) CNN, which went down during the senate vote to end the shutdown, make sure you watch it. It’s really the only thing worth watching on CNN but today’s real-time analysis was spot on, honest, and just essential viewing. This is a network whose bread and butter is ripping Donald Trump a new one. If you want to get out of your own heads and hear what the takeaway of all of this REALLY is, and likely will be historically, then you would do well to hear what was said on this show today. Because they gave the final score without spin.

Because, alas, it won’t last. All networks will quickly return to their previous positions by this afternoon. Sad. Wink


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Anyone who DVR’d John King’s Inside Politics today on (cough, choke) CNN, which went down during the senate vote to end the shutdown, make sure you watch it. It’s really the only thing worth watching on CNN but today’s real-time analysis was spot on, honest, and just essential viewing. This is a network whose bread and butter is ripping Donald Trump a new one. If you want to get out of your own heads and hear what the takeaway of all of this REALLY is, and likely will be historically, then you would do well to hear what was said on this show today. Because they gave the final score without spin.

Because, alas, it won’t last. All networks will quickly return to their previous positions by this afternoon. Sad. Wink


i love john king all the time, as well as dana bash, and the interesting thing is those two were married ever so briefly. i guess they've made it work (on tv) because you'd never know. king has always been far more measured with his words and opinions than his colleagues. cnn's better on weekend mornings, especially with smerconish.



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PostPosted: 01/22/18 6:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
Trump and Schumer are meeting at the White House. Hopefully they are alone. Please God let them be alone. Laughing I don't like either one of them but on some level I do believe if left to themselves they will make a deal.


Well Stormy is busy so there's that.


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PostPosted: 01/22/18 7:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shit. I was going to start a thread titled Stormy Daniels is booked up through June. Cool


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cthskzfn wrote:
"Schumer Shutdown" as accurate as "Democrats pass tax bill".


It’s amazing how some don’t understand math.



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mercfan3 wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
"Schumer Shutdown" as accurate as "Democrats pass tax bill".


It’s amazing how some don’t understand math.


It's amazing how some don't understand a LOT of things. lol. Like the apparently one-layer-of-irony-too-much (for some) joke animated by the gif that starts this thread. Or the notion that in terms of political branding, Schumer Shutdown was like Coke and Trump Shutdown was like RC Cola. That's just in terms of what sells better. Could be a naked lie. Could be a half-truth. It doesn't matter in terms of the brilliance of the message. Thus an SUV rolling over car crash into a parking space and Jim Carrey cluelessly saying, "Fits like a glove."

But there's more. There's the inability to leave the SPIN for paid talking heads on television. Who are you guys spinning? Don't be psychologically incapable of letting go of the need to adhere to political spin like you're winning some point here on Rebkell's. Come off the ceiling and speak the truth among friends. Stop spinning people who are on your side like some half-adult millennials or something. Isn't one of you like 90? Read the papers. You can't HIDE behind the math. Read the Daily Kos. Look at the vote and who voted yes and who voted no. Look who's pissed and WHY. Let the spin GO. Please. We're all friends here. There's nothing to be gained or proved.

This was SO simple. There's no hiding now what happened. CNN, at least the daytime shows I watched, never even tried! The Trump hating media isn't even trying to spin it now. The hard left isn't trying to spin it. They're not carrying the Democrats water for them. Why are you guys? They're all telling it like it is. Are you staffers or something?

The Truth. From the Trump hating New York Times:

Hoping for a Bargain in a Swift Surrender

By CARL HULSE

Over the weekend it became clear that using the shutdown to insist on protections for hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants was a serious miscalculation. By abandoning the strategy on its third day, Democrats believe they limited whatever damage there may be and gave the public time to forget about the disruption before the crucial November election.

Liberal Groups Feel Betrayed by Senate Democrats’ Vote

By JONATHAN MARTIN and ALEXANDER BURNS

“They blinked because they’ll always put the party and the success of the party first,” said Representative Luis V. Gutiérrez of Illinois, one of the leading Democratic advocates for immigrants, complaining that Hispanics got short shrift. “It’s the one word they know in Spanish: mañana.”

The hasty retreat by 33 Senate Democrats was particularly humiliating in the immediate aftermath of the anniversary of the Women’s March, which saw thousands of activists reconvene in cities across the country to protest against President Trump and congressional Republicans. Liberal groups such as MoveOn.org began urging members to sign up on Monday for rallies aimed at pressuring Republicans to protect the young undocumented immigrants known as Dreamers.

By noon, their own ostensible allies in Congress had buckled.

“The grass-roots are rightly furious with a slew of elected Democrats,” said Ben Wikler, the Washington director of MoveOn.org. “In the Obama years, Republicans learned to be more afraid of primary challenges than general elections. But Democrats are still operating as though the Tea Party is more powerful than The Resistance.”


There it is in the Trump hating newspaper of record. The New York Times is saying that DEMOCRATS used "the shutdown to insist on protections for hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants."

Shocked

And the second article talking about the hasty retreat and surrender of 33 Democrats. (Senators, I would add) In the spinfree atmosphere which I seek to occupy the question of what would the Democrats be retreating FROM exactly would seem reasonable to me. What did they surrender? The answers are part of the historical record, folks. Do you really not see that? They retreated from and surrendered their EFFORT of "using the shutdown to insist on protections for hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants."

Related. Politically. The problem in a nutshell. What happened here? Sounded like a good idea at the time, I'm sure. Pressured by their 'resistance' wing, of course. Emboldened by Trump's shithole comment. Senate Democrats thought they had a winning hand and they used a "shutdown to insist on protections for hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants."

So here is the deal. The American people SAW the United States government SHUT DOWN on behalf of the interests of illegal immigrants. And that reality stunned the people of this country. At least the ones who were paying attention. Sat them down wide-eyed and slack-jawed. And the political winds were very quickly apparent in Washington and most Democrats realized IMMEDIATELY what they had done. And that it was bad. I've spent my life learning those kinds of lessons. lol. Seemed like a good idea at the time. And then you're the first to know. Oh shit.

So the second article says that Dems are hoping people forget by midterms. But this thing here is unusual. This is a unique moment. The government of the United States was shut down on behalf of illegal immigrants. The Republicans are going to feed off of this LONG before November. As someone on CNN put it, this was the immigration policy Trump ran on PREVAILING in congress. The Republican Party now sees that they can withstand the heat from the Democrats and actually prevail. And then when November comes they're going to just run ads quoting CNN and the New York Times. Democrats used a government shutdown to insist on protections for hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants.

Look at the vote. Warren, Sanders, Corey Booker, BOTH California senators. All voted no. What did they vote NO to? lol. They voted NO to ending the shutdown. They voted to keep the shutdown going on behalf of hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants. They may have won over everyone on the progressive left and solidified their positions as progressive leaders going forward. But if any of them wanted to be President of the United States of America, they will RUE THE DAY they voted to keep the government shut down on behalf of illegal immigrants. (How it will be sold.)

Now. Do either of you two not KNOW that Elizabeth Warren is a political hero of mine and that I will be voting for her in any presidential primary or general election where I find her name on the ballot? You SHOULD know that. But if you don't, there it is. But I'm not sitting here spinning for her like I'm a fan who can't say anything bad about Micky Mouse or Disney. I tell it like I see it. Let's speak our TRUTHS to each other here.

One last thing. So this all happened on the one year anniversary of Trump's inauguration, of course. And there's been a lot to distract from that. This shutdown being the biggest thing. But there was the shithole comment. Stormy Daniels. The Wolfe book. Probably ten other things I'm forgetting.

But the one year anniversary gave SOME people in this world a measuring stick to look at something else that has happened in the last 12 months. Since Donald Trump was sworn in the DOW has gone from 19,800 to 26,100. Yeah. That's a 31% increase in the benchmark index in just one year. If the DOW was up 1500 points in the last year, Trump and his supporters would be able to say, and RIGHTLY SO, that the markets like Trump and his policies, etc. They'd have a case and no one would really be disputing it. (Except spin merchants) But this isn't a 1500 point increase. Or a 3000 point increase. (Which would have been one HELL of a first year for Trump on Wall St.) This is a 6000 point, 31% increase in the DOW.

Like I said. A lot of things were distracting from this fact. But distractions aside, people are no longer side-eyeing that increase. They're taking it in and absorbing and processing it now. Just how many Americans out there between 40-70 have retirement accounts through their jobs? Those people are right now being blown fucking away by what's happening in those retirement accounts. Trust me on that.

It was hard for them to say this on CNN this afternoon. So they said it in oblique ways. But the message was clear. Trump is winning. He won this round with the shutdown in a slaughter. This market increase and what it means to VOTERS around the country can NOT be overstated. It's going to be huge. He may be half an idiot and rotten to the core. It may be his team of evil reptiles. It may be blind luck. To US... and to the media... his presidency might look like one disaster after another. Certainly his appointments and what those people are up to WILL be disastrous. But Trump is succeeding at doing much of what he campaigned on. No, not exactly the for the forgotten man economic populism stuff. But politically speaking? They're used to being poor. Bottom line is, what they're seeing from Trump right now, they're fucking voting for him in 2020. And he's going to have a POSITIVE impact come midterms. I predict.

Because... it's the economy, stupid.

On the other side. People are digging their political graves, I'm sorry to say. I would seriously look for Trump's approval numbers to start climbing now. He'll do a lot of things to hold them down, just as he's been doing for the last year. But I think the perception that he's winning, if the economy continues chugging along and even if the markets just hold onto these gains, and the emboldened congressional GOP, a now maybe more willing segment of Democratic senators willing to deal -- all of these things bode very well for Trump going forward.

Yeah. This shut down was a BAD bad move by the Democrats.

Okay, seriously the last thing. This Cuomo bum on CNN who has his own show now. He's arguing with Kellyanne Conway about how Trump didn't do anything this weekend. The president was silent, totally on the sidelines, irrelevant, etc. That kind of stuff.

Kellyanne, straight up channeling Kate McKinnon from the dark side, just said something breathy and evil like, "What did you want him to do, Chris? The shutdown ended. It's over." Cool


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Come off the ceiling and speak the truth among friends.


The truth is that 99% of this Washington infighting is irrelevant to the vast majority of Americans.



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There is no "Trump-hating" major media outlet, in print or otherwise, in the USA.



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pilight wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
Come off the ceiling and speak the truth among friends.


The truth is that 99% of this Washington infighting is irrelevant to the vast majority of Americans.


. . . because of ignorance and short attention spans, just like the president. america has dumbed down to the dregs.



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sambista wrote:
pilight wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
Come off the ceiling and speak the truth among friends.


The truth is that 99% of this Washington infighting is irrelevant to the vast majority of Americans.


. . . because of ignorance and short attention spans, just like the president. america has dumbed down to the dregs.


Well, no, because what people once got in 30 minutes of Walter Cronkite and another 30 minutes of reading the newspaper has turned into a 24 hour a day spectacle. Most of the Washington bullshit has always been irrelevant, people just pay more attention to it now.



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pilight wrote:
sambista wrote:
pilight wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
Come off the ceiling and speak the truth among friends.


The truth is that 99% of this Washington infighting is irrelevant to the vast majority of Americans.


. . . because of ignorance and short attention spans, just like the president. america has dumbed down to the dregs.


Well, no, because what people once got in 30 minutes of Walter Cronkite and another 30 minutes of reading the newspaper has turned into a 24 hour a day spectacle. Most of the Washington bullshit has always been irrelevant, people just pay more attention to it now.


just because there's more news - and genuine fake news by people who aren't professional journalists - and it's on all the time doesn't mean it's being digested critically or comprehended.



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sambista wrote:
pilight wrote:
sambista wrote:
pilight wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
Come off the ceiling and speak the truth among friends.


The truth is that 99% of this Washington infighting is irrelevant to the vast majority of Americans.


. . . because of ignorance and short attention spans, just like the president. america has dumbed down to the dregs.


Well, no, because what people once got in 30 minutes of Walter Cronkite and another 30 minutes of reading the newspaper has turned into a 24 hour a day spectacle. Most of the Washington bullshit has always been irrelevant, people just pay more attention to it now.


just because there's more news - and genuine fake news by people who aren't professional journalists - and it's on all the time doesn't mean it's being digested critically or comprehended.


There's not more news. There's just more babble.



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