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mzonefan
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calbearman76
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Posted: 01/02/18 3:49 pm ::: |
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Creme's methodology for selecting conference winners creates anomalies, particularly at this time of year. He has Cleveland St (instead of Green Bay), Western Illinois (San Diego St), Buffalo (Ball St) and Creighton (DePaul) as conference winners, which somewhat affects the number of at large berths available. With that caveat, I believe his selection of at-large teams is correct.
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YlwJckt999
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Posted: 01/02/18 7:35 pm ::: Bracket |
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I'm sure that the official NCAA bracket is supposed to be non-biased. However, I would bet good money that Miss St is on the same side of the bracket as Uconn come March.
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Phil
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Posted: 01/04/18 4:00 pm ::: Re: Bracket |
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YlwJckt999 wrote: |
I'm sure that the official NCAA bracket is supposed to be non-biased. However, I would bet good money that Miss St is on the same side of the bracket as Uconn come March. |
Why?
Do you think they would prefer a match-up in the semi's rather than the Finals? If so, why?
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calbearman76
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Posted: 01/18/18 5:35 pm ::: |
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Charlie Crème updated his Bracketology today.
Baylor gets the fourth #1 seed
7 teams each from Big 10, ACC and Pac 12
Last 4 in: LSU, USC, St John's, Purdue
First 4 out: Buffalo, Houston, Miami, Kansas St
Baylor gets a #1 seed without a top 25 RPI win. Rutgers (4 seed),California (5) and Marquette (6) also do not have a top 25 win. Houston is the second team out despite not having a top 100 win.
South Dakota is given the automatic bid from the Summit League, allowing South Dakota St to steal an at large berth. If SDSU actually wins the Summit that would put Buffalo in the field for this projection.
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mikeyc22
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Posted: 01/18/18 7:49 pm ::: |
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At least the committee was consistent compared to last year and put Baylor at #9.
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calbearman76
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Posted: 01/18/18 7:59 pm ::: |
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mikeyc22 wrote: |
At least the committee was consistent compared to last year and put Baylor at #9. |
I agree with the Committee 100%, but I don't agree with Lobo et al.'s commentary. If Baylor sweeps through the Big 12 there will be enough good wins to make up for their weak non-conference schedule. Three wins over Texas will prove they deserve a #1 seed. It is just that right now they have none.
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calbearman76
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Posted: 01/18/18 8:09 pm ::: |
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Top 16 reveal by the NCAA Committee:
Connecticut
Mississippi St
Louisville
Oregon
Tennessee
Notre Dame
Texas
South Carolina
Baylor
Ohio St
Florida St
UCLA
Missouri
Texas A&M
Rutgers
Georgia
These seeds agreed with mine in all respects except that I had Missouri as a 3 instead of UCLA and I had Oklahoma St a 4 instead of Rutgers.
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joetro
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Posted: 01/18/18 9:16 pm ::: |
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By what metric is Oregon ahead of ND? ND with better schedule and more top wins.
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Phil
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Marquette Fan
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Posted: 01/18/18 10:08 pm ::: |
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This has Marquette playing Quinnipiac in the first round again - I doubt that match-up would be repeated. I also don't see Marquette ending up with that high a seed (6).
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calbearman76
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Posted: 01/18/18 11:17 pm ::: |
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Phil wrote: |
joetro wrote: |
By what metric is Oregon ahead of ND? ND with better schedule and more top wins. |
Maybe they finalized it when the ND TN game was in the first quarter :) |
The issue with Notre Dame is how they will play with their injuries. After the Louisville game it was hard to make them a 1 seed. If they win out, which would include wins at Duke and Florida St, they will be rated over Oregon, even if the Ducks run the table also.
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PRballer
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Posted: 01/19/18 8:01 am ::: |
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Can conference teams now match up as early as Sweet 16? Or is it Elite 8? Georgetown and UConn were on the same seed line as a #5 and #1 so they met up in Sweet 16.
Asking because if you’d put Mississippi State in Kansas City, it would make sense to have Missouri there as well - just not sure they can go in as a #4 with an SEC rival as a #1.
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Posted: 01/19/18 11:19 am ::: |
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Oregon isn't a Top 4 team.
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Posted: 01/19/18 12:00 pm ::: |
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I don't think I object, but I'm not sure I'd put St. John's in, and hell, I'm a St. John's fan. (Also, I miss Charlie putting little notes in the bracket about why teams were moving up and down.)
I... might actually consider some way of getting to Storrs for an Iowa-FGCU shootout. And I don't wanna go to Storrs.
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Posted: 01/19/18 12:02 pm ::: |
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I love this bracket for Mercer
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calbearman76
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Posted: 01/19/18 12:49 pm ::: |
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PRballer wrote: |
Can conference teams now match up as early as Sweet 16? Or is it Elite 8? Georgetown and UConn were on the same seed line as a #5 and #1 so they met up in Sweet 16.
Asking because if you’d put Mississippi State in Kansas City, it would make sense to have Missouri there as well - just not sure they can go in as a #4 with an SEC rival as a #1. |
Conference teams can not meet before the Sweet 16. Generally teams from the same conference do not meet until the elite 8, but this rule has been violated, and when you get multiple conferences with seven or eight teams it is more likely to happen.
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readyAIMfire53
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Posted: 01/19/18 9:57 pm ::: |
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calbearman76 wrote: |
Top 16 reveal by the NCAA Committee:
Connecticut
Mississippi St
Louisville
Oregon
Tennessee
Notre Dame
Texas
South Carolina
Baylor
Ohio St
Florida St
UCLA
Missouri
Texas A&M
Rutgers
Georgia
These seeds agreed with mine in all respects except that I had Missouri as a 3 instead of UCLA and I had Oklahoma St a 4 instead of Rutgers. |
Anybody guess why I like this top 16?
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Posted: 01/19/18 10:48 pm ::: |
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readyAIMfire53 wrote: |
calbearman76 wrote: |
Top 16 reveal by the NCAA Committee:
Connecticut
Mississippi St
Louisville
Oregon
Tennessee
Notre Dame
Texas
South Carolina
Baylor
Ohio St
Florida St
UCLA
Missouri
Texas A&M
Rutgers
Georgia
These seeds agreed with mine in all respects except that I had Missouri as a 3 instead of UCLA and I had Oklahoma St a 4 instead of Rutgers. |
Anybody guess why I like this top 16? |
Probably for a reason similar to why I like Creme's bracket
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PRballer
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Posted: 01/20/18 10:49 am ::: |
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calbearman76 wrote: |
PRballer wrote: |
Can conference teams now match up as early as Sweet 16? Or is it Elite 8? Georgetown and UConn were on the same seed line as a #5 and #1 so they met up in Sweet 16.
Asking because if you’d put Mississippi State in Kansas City, it would make sense to have Missouri there as well - just not sure they can go in as a #4 with an SEC rival as a #1. |
Conference teams can not meet before the Sweet 16. Generally teams from the same conference do not meet until the elite 8, but this rule has been violated, and when you get multiple conferences with seven or eight teams it is more likely to happen. |
Thanks for that - I was sure, but not certain. I do this every year and get my hopes up for dream match ups that maximize attendance and buzz, but Missouri vs. Mississippi State in KC could be a good match up!
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 01/20/18 11:08 am ::: |
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calbearman76 wrote: |
mikeyc22 wrote: |
At least the committee was consistent compared to last year and put Baylor at #9. |
I agree with the Committee 100%, but I don't agree with Lobo et al.'s commentary. If Baylor sweeps through the Big 12 there will be enough good wins to make up for their weak non-conference schedule. Three wins over Texas will prove they deserve a #1 seed. It is just that right now they have none. |
Didn't MD beat OhSt 3 times last year? Didn't move them up. And if Baylor beats Texas 3 times, Texas will have 6 losses, at least, so they that's going to become less meaningful with each loss.
Kim made her bed with her scheduling.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 01/20/18 11:12 am ::: |
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Well, the committee had Notre Dame at 6. Since then they have beaten #5, and #4 lost to a team ND already beat (on the road no less). Looking good for a 1 seed again.
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