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| It's low but it's not new for him. He's always been a bigot and anyone who supports him and look the other way in favor of any of his policies are complicit in his racism.
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| When your President calls foreign countries "shit holes" and you think to yourself, "..he's said worse."
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| Other presidents have likely said similar things. Time was that not every private utterance or off-hand remark made the front page.
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The internet of outrage, everywhere, has become too many hard blunt objects bouncing everything off of everyone. A person or group of persons does not have to be a supporter of Trump or complicit in his racism to take a more nuanced view of this comment today.
First, yes, if accurate, it is an unfortunate statement to have emanated from mouth of the President of the United States. But that's the easy part. The rest is not so easy. There is the fact that a president, any president, should be able to speak freely and even this graphically and in a way that is this politically incorrect without it quickly being revealed to the public. What is said behind closed doors in the White House should stay there. Of course, we don't know if the White House itself put this information out there in order to gin up his base so that's another component that has to be taken into consideration.
So then there is the content, which is to say the truth or lack there of that is inherent or not in the statement. And then behind that is the question that can anyone even say that Haiti is a shithole country without a mechanism of scorn and rage rising up and accusing that person of being a racist, a bigot, an enabler of racism or bigotry, someone who should be destroyed online and maybe in real life as well.
So let me say this. I despise Rich Lowry. And I don't know why he hasn't been on TV much (TV that I watch anyway) but I have really enjoyed his absence. But he's on CNN today regarding this topic. And CNN has gone full outrage, for like the 20th time since Trump announced his presidency, wherein every single voice must express the shared opinion that Donald Trump has finally gone too far and that this is the ultimate final outrage wherein we all say enough is enough. Oh, and they also throw in that ONLY the most extreme white nationalist of his supporters could possibly stick with him or (where is my fainting couch?) agree with this latest example of a pure racist's bigotry.
Well. I agree with my new BFF Rich Lowry. So let me transcribe his comments and then I'll address from my own perspective what I think of the content of Trump's comments apart from Lowry's response.
Rich Lowry: This is a vulgar way of speaking. You don't want the president of the United States to talk this way especially if it's going to be repeated outside the room... but the level of freak-out about this I think goes to just how the elite on both the right and the left has gotten so disconnected from common sense on immigration.
These countries he was referring to, they are basket cases. They are disaster areas. And the point he was making in the context of the immigration policy discussion is that we'd be much better off with people with higher levels of education and skills coming here.
So the question comes up why Norway? Uh, Lowry points out that the Trump just met with the PM of Norway yesterday. He points out that people from Norway aren't going to be coming here, by the way, because Norway is not a basket case.
To that, Erin Burnett points out that Norway once was a basket case and its citizens migrated to the central part of the United States and did very well here.
To that, I think Lowry really nails it. Really.
When we had a different kind of economy. We had farming and industry. So many people are stuck in nostalgia on immigration policy, where they think that it's just the early 20th century, forever. You can have a lot of low skill people who want to work hard and they'll be fine because there are endless manufacturing jobs for them. That's not the way the American economy works anymore.
So here's what I think.
I don't know if we really need more merit based immigration wherein we import engineers and other highly educated and also maybe wealthy individuals, in masse, to add to our growing inequality in this country, our growing divide between an educated elite and a desperately ill-equipped, under-educated segment of our population, one that is well represented, I should add, in the populace of our most traditional 'minority', black people, but I am absolutely CERTAIN that we don't need to import more uneducated, unskilled, desperate people from shithole countries who will only end up on the streets here in a cold-blooded country that is right now letting massive quantities of black Americans, native born, rot and die in the streets, every single day. This is not even to mention the lack of opportunities, the traditional educational failures, the inevitable pathways to incarceration that have resulted in the epically disproportionate black male representation in the prison populations. Not even going there.
No. This, for me, is solely about the men and women on the streets. Freezing. Wet. Filthy. Homeless. And yeah, not just black but black to a ridiculous and cringe-worthy degree. We haven't solved this problem. It is all too disgustingly real. We are a nation that has proven that it cannot handle this particular problem. We can't fix it, we can't effect it, it seems, even, in any meaningful way. And it's growing every single day.
So there are countries where people are also poor and desperate. And black. Should we be allowing immigration from those countries? Of course. But should we have a swinging open door welcoming the poor and desperate from those countries? Yeah. Where? Exactly, are they going to be welcomed in this modern United States of America? You tell me.
How many of you people here in this thread live in a major American city? Did you walk or drive past a homeless person today? 50 of them? Were you appalled and did you invite every single last homeless person you saw today home to eat and sleep and share your own home or apartment? No you didn't. YOU can't handle this problem. Your country can't handle this problem. It is everywhere and it's just one ugly egregious example of a broken society in a great nation that is on a long downward spiral.
We should be helping other countries. We should be marshaling the wealth of other well-off nations like Norway to help with world-wide desperation. This is what I would hope from our country. But the truth is that we are so far from solving some of our most basic long standing problems that in so many respects our country mirrors this shit hole countries Trump is referring to. You want shithole? We got shithole.
I have to say. This is a great example. If we fucking can't talk turkey about issues like this we're never going to solve them. We will become a culture of fainting couch meme-makers that are so busy being triggered in some WAY by something that was said that we just stop talking about the most painful of our problems.
And lastly. My god. How many times can the mainstream media do this? How many times can they get on national television and present the information to the American people that the guy in the White House says things that they the media find to be too reprehensible for them to continue normal breathing. Official Washington finds this to be too reprehensible. Republicans find this to be too reprehensible. That, I'm sure, impresses absolutely no one.
Shithole? Seriously. I've been calling countries shitholes my entire life. That hasn't made me any less of an outspoken progressive person who advocates for a more humane world where solutions are found to the age-old problems of inequality and racial and ethnic strife. But a shithole is a shithole. And If you can't handle the word shithole as it is applied to shithole countries then I'd be seriously wondering what the hell you can handle in this life.
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I agree that unskilled immigration is contra-indicated, and has been for a long time. And I think that about skilled immigration as well. But immigration has been a sacred cow for as long as I have been alive, and I would actually call the whole matter an indoctrination.
We live in a time when:
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and yet we still export jobs, import workers and even have a party that is allegedly for the working class, who has another amnesty (which they slyly refer to as a path-to-citizenship) for illegal workers (who are euphemistically referred to as undocumented) as a top priority.
I think immigration is going to be around a long time, even though, in addition to the job situation, you have the other negative impacts of an ever-increasing population in our already full metro areas. I don't understand how people can sit in massive traffic jams and then remain silent as their politicians approve more and more development.
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love me some ana navarro. she never holds back. bless her heart.
i'd rather gag myself with a fork, knife and spoon all at once than listen to chris cuomo for one second.
so some folks'll say trump's only being real, saying aloud what others are thinking. ok, then let's get all the way real and round up everyone who wasn't born here and send them away en masse, like the nazis did with another group of outcasts. let's see how the well-to-do fare. and let's see how willing trump would be to pay fair wages to a bunch of norwegians to work at his florida properties, instead of the haitians he has there now working for slave wages.
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So there's video of him saying this?
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So there's video of him saying this? |
i doubt there's video, but sen. dick durbin, who was in the meeting, just confirmed the language trump used, as reported by mainstream media. in fact, he said trump used vile language several times, more than has been reported.
so yeah - trump, who's trying to deny it now on twitter, is still a big freakin liar. and who would believe him at this point?
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| I am really confused by the collective freak-out about this. Is there anyone who is surprised?
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America was built on the backs of immigrants from around the globe. We must honor that history, not reject it. It starts with respectful rhetoric and signing bipartisan DACA legislation.
— John Kasich (@JohnKasich) January 11, 2018 |
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America's president is a racist and this is the proof. His hateful rhetoric has no place in the @WhiteHouse
Every single Republican must denounce these comments now. https://t.co/9eOyAcAxeF
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.@realDonaldTrump -- You would never call a predominantly white country a "shithole" because you are unable to see people of color, American or otherwise, as equals.
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Time to Say It: Trump Is a Racist
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• In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park; he continued to argue that they were guilty as late as October 2016, more than 10 years after DNA evidence had exonerated them.
• He spent years claiming that the nation’s first black president was born not in the United States but in Africa, an outright lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such.
• He began his 2016 presidential campaign by disparaging Mexican immigrants as criminals and “rapists.”
• He has retweeted white nationalists without apology.
• He frequently criticizes prominent African-Americans for being unpatriotic, ungrateful and disrespectful.
• He called some of those who marched alongside white supremacists in Charlottesville last August “very fine people.”
• He is quick to highlight crimes committed by dark-skinned people, sometimes exaggerating or lying about it (such as a claim about growing crime from “radical Islamic terror” in Britain). He is very slow to decry hate crimes committed against dark-skinned people (such as the murder of an Indian man in Kansas last year).
• At the White House yesterday, Trump vulgarly called for less immigration from Haiti and Africa and more from Norway. |
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/opinion/trump-racist.html
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| When people pull out the ‘we’re a nation of immigrants’ stuff I understand why gorillas throw their shit at people.
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| This is just Trump pandering to his base yet again. He speaks their minds.
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| I am really confused by the collective freak-out about this. Is there anyone who is surprised? |
He also said yesterday, on the record, that he “probably has a very good relationship with Kim Jung Un of North Korea.” But yes, never mind that potentially nuclear bit of lunacy, let us instead freak the fuck right out of our collective minds because in a closed door meeting he called Haiti a shithole. The entire country, led by the news media, should have looked like a herd of spooked gazelles on the savannah, necks outstretched and wide-eyed, when this president said that wombat-shit crazy shit he said about North Korea. But our news media is blown. They are long gone.
Remember ten years ago when nobody watched CNN? The place was a wasteland every night. Larry King interviewing Sharon Stone. They even had an anti-immigration host, Lou Dobbs. Well they remember and they’re not going back to those days even if it means being the shithole of news networks. But hell, don’t stop there. Remember when dull old CNN was like the American BBC? Sort of the model for the mostly excellent Al Jazeera and scores of other national TV news desks around the world? Yeah. CNN learned some long, and I mean decades long, hard HARD lessons in what works and what doesn’t work to garner ratings for a modern 24-hour news network in America.
Donald Trump’s daily antics sure does beat Larry King interviewing washed-up game show hosts or god forbid some nuts and bolts reporting on what’s happening in all the endless shitholes around world, starting with our own.
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| I am really confused by the collective freak-out about this. Is there anyone who is surprised? |
no. and yes. and as painful as it is to endure this period in our country's history, it's a wake-up call to make it clear that little (of true substance) has changed. people keep telling the disenfranchised to "get over it," that the past is past. but no - the past is present, and trump is saying aloud what's in the hearts and minds of . . . not everyone, for sure, but way too many. so as painful as it is now, we should be thankful that trump is flailing us with this shit every day. eyes wide open, an opportunity to change course.
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So there's video of him saying this? |
i doubt there's video, but sen. dick durbin, who was in the meeting, just confirmed the language trump used, as reported by mainstream media. in fact, he said trump used vile language several times, more than has been reported.
so yeah - trump, who's trying to deny it now on twitter, is still a big freakin liar. and who would believe him at this point? |
Tom Cotton and David Purdue say they never heard him say that
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/12/senator-who-immigration-meeting-trump-he-said-hate-filled-vile-and-racist-things/1027816001/
So now it's "he said, she said."
I'll believe Tom Cotton before I ever believe Dick Durban. Not that it really matters either way because it's still true.
Would anyone like to answer the President's question as to why they only want the poor and downtrodden from these countries to come to the USA? I can answer... it's because they are looking for Democrat voters. People with skills who are willing to use them productively will likely not vote for Democrats.
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Thank you for the rumor mill-based "unknown sources" to gin up a bunch of false outrage over something the President may or may not have said.
I'm sure if one of your people said (or "reportedly" said) this you'd be on here crapping your pants about it.
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So - on the one hand you deny he said it and on the other you want people to answer the question he asked when he said it.
So I will - why can't we get people from Norway - they probably wouldn't want to come here.
As for the notion that the opposition should get over it - when did the Trump crowd ever get over Obama? Never - they claimed he was not an American. When did the GOP ever get over Clinton - never they impeached him.
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| Would anyone like to answer the President's question as to why they only want the poor and downtrodden from these countries to come to the USA? |
Because charity to the needy is a Christian virtue and we are supposedly a Christian nation.
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| Would anyone like to answer the President's question as to why they only want the poor and downtrodden from these countries to come to the USA? |
Because charity to the needy is a Christian virtue and we are supposedly a Christian nation.
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What about those who are here breaking their backs every day who are already struggling to put food on the table? We're just supposed to take on every other countries' problems at the expense of the working poor? Don't we already have enough poor people who need to be lifted out of poverty? Shouldn't the American poor be a priority? Don't we have separation of Church and State? The Democrats who brought this DACA bill before the President certainly think so. I know they don't care about Christian values that's for sure. Only selective morality when it benefits them politically.
Even IF he said this (maybe he did, maybe he didn't), why would Dick Durbin go to the press about it? To divide the nation? To embolden our enemies?
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| Would anyone like to answer the President's question as to why they only want the poor and downtrodden from these countries to come to the USA? |
Because charity to the needy is a Christian virtue and we are supposedly a Christian nation.
One who is gracious to a poor man lends to the Lord, And He will repay him for his good deed. |
What about those who are here breaking their backs every day who are already struggling to put food on the table? We're just supposed to take on every other countries' problems at the expense of the working poor? Don't we already have enough poor people who need to be lifted out of poverty? Shouldn't the American poor be a priority? |
We should do more for our own poor as well. The USA is the wealthiest nation on Earth. We can afford to help.
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This incident reflects one thing that is seriously wrong with our culture, our politics and our media -- a hysterical focus on one noun used by one person in days of meetings on an immigration bill that is of vital importance to this nation. No analytical reporting on the substance of the bill, or on its hugely important economic effects, but just politically motivated clickbait derangement about the use of one vulgar noun.
And an accurately descriptive noun, at that.
Virtually everyone I know has described being in restaurants, basketball gyms, bars, homes, neighborhoods, towns, cities and countries that they have called shitholes or something equivalent. These people were not being racist or xenophobic, but truthful and accurate.
So, so shocking that vulgarity is used to describe various people, places and things in meetings of business men and women, soldiers, Indian chiefs, lawyers, doctors, teachers, athletes, coaches, butchers, bakers, candlestick makers, your family, my family -- and, who knew, politicians too. WOW, WHAT NEWS!!!
The fact is that many of our Presidents have been world-class vulgarians, famously including the military ones, Truman and LBJ. It's just that the press once had the good judgment and taste not to report such irrelevant trivialities. They reported on substantive news.
If Trump said this in front of left wing Democrats, even in private, he was foolish. But the substance of what he was referring to is crucially important to U.S. immigration policy:
Should the U.S be soliciting legal immigrants from among the billions and billions of impoverished, uneducated, illiterate, innumerate, and unskilled people in the world, or should we have a selective legal immigration policy that admits into the U.S. only those people who can contribute quickly to the U.S. GDP rather than to the national debt.
The answer to this question, for any rational person of any political persuasion, should be obvious. The U.S. doesn't need any more bodies to fill up the empty wild west. We can't be the savior for every shit-out-of-luck illiterate in every shithole gin joint in the world. We have enough poverty, illiteracy, innumeracy, and joblessness among our own citizenry. We don't need to import more. |
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well, you can just put a sock in it because others are confirming what he said, including mr. noncommital, paul ryan, and even trump himself is giving ground on his own denial.
you can spin it all you want. it's all still just a pile of turds.
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| Posted: 01/12/18 4:14 pm ::: |
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| people from countries like norway have universal health care, free higher education, maternal and paternal leave (with job protection), governments that want to protect people and the environment . . . they don't wanna come to a shithole country like the united states.
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| Posted: 01/12/18 4:30 pm ::: Re: A new low for Trump |
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Thank you for the rumor mill-based "unknown sources" to gin up a bunch of false outrage over something the President may or may not have said.
I'm sure if one of your people said (or "reportedly" said) this you'd be on here crapping your pants about it. |
well, you can just put a sock in it because others are confirming what he said, including mr. noncommital, paul ryan, and even trump himself is giving ground on his own denial.
you can spin it all you want. it's all still just a pile of turds. |
About the "shithole" part or the part about people "going back to their huts?" Because I'm not hearing anything about the latter from anyone. And as far as Paul Ryan is concerned, he "read about it" later that night. Which really doesn't confirm anything.
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| Posted: 01/12/18 4:37 pm ::: |
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| pilight wrote: |
| Stonington_QB wrote: |
| pilight wrote: |
| Stonington_QB wrote: |
| Would anyone like to answer the President's question as to why they only want the poor and downtrodden from these countries to come to the USA? |
Because charity to the needy is a Christian virtue and we are supposedly a Christian nation.
One who is gracious to a poor man lends to the Lord, And He will repay him for his good deed. |
What about those who are here breaking their backs every day who are already struggling to put food on the table? We're just supposed to take on every other countries' problems at the expense of the working poor? Don't we already have enough poor people who need to be lifted out of poverty? Shouldn't the American poor be a priority? |
We should do more for our own poor as well. The USA is the wealthiest nation on Earth. We can afford to help. |
"We" can afford to help is a matter of personal opinion. By "we" I assume you mean "everyone else" or are you implying that you personally would like to contribute more of own your money to the poor?
Not everyone can afford to help. And we cannot afford to be the dumping ground for the rest of the world.
I don't have a problem with poor immigrants coming here as long as they are coming to make a better life for themselves by working to achieve their dreams. If they're coming here to bleed the system, they can go back to their proverbial huts. That is, of course, unless you (not "we") are willing to bankroll that kind of lifestyle.
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| Posted: 01/12/18 4:43 pm ::: |
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| Stonington_QB wrote: |
| pilight wrote: |
| Stonington_QB wrote: |
| pilight wrote: |
| Stonington_QB wrote: |
| Would anyone like to answer the President's question as to why they only want the poor and downtrodden from these countries to come to the USA? |
Because charity to the needy is a Christian virtue and we are supposedly a Christian nation.
One who is gracious to a poor man lends to the Lord, And He will repay him for his good deed. |
What about those who are here breaking their backs every day who are already struggling to put food on the table? We're just supposed to take on every other countries' problems at the expense of the working poor? Don't we already have enough poor people who need to be lifted out of poverty? Shouldn't the American poor be a priority? |
We should do more for our own poor as well. The USA is the wealthiest nation on Earth. We can afford to help. |
"We" can afford to help is a matter of personal opinion. By "we" I assume you mean "everyone else" or are you implying that you personally would like to contribute more of own your money to the poor?
Not everyone can afford to help. And we cannot afford to be the dumping ground for the rest of the world.
I don't have a problem with poor immigrants coming here as long as they are coming to make a better life for themselves by working to achieve their dreams. If they're coming here to bleed the system, they can go back to their proverbial huts. That is, of course, unless you (not "we") are willing to bankroll that kind of lifestyle. |
Expected a selfish answer, was not disappointed.
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| Posted: 01/12/18 5:07 pm ::: |
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This incident reflects one thing that is seriously wrong with our culture, our politics and our media -- a hysterical focus on one noun used by one person in days of meetings on an immigration bill that is of vital importance to this nation. No analytical reporting on the substance of the bill, or on its hugely important economic effects, but just politically motivated clickbait derangement about the use of one vulgar noun.
And an accurately descriptive noun, at that. |
Not that it changes anything, but they are reporting it as an adjective for the noun "countries".
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| Posted: 01/12/18 5:11 pm ::: |
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randomly,
love me some ana navarro. she never holds back. bless her heart.
i'd rather gag myself with a fork, knife and spoon all at once than listen to chris cuomo for one second.
so some folks'll say trump's only being real, saying aloud what others are thinking. ok, then let's get all the way real and round up everyone who wasn't born here and send them away en masse, like the nazis did with another group of outcasts. let's see how the well-to-do fare. and let's see how willing trump would be to pay fair wages to a bunch of norwegians to work at his florida properties, instead of the haitians he has there now working for slave wages. |
Not wanting immigration doesn't mean that all the foreign-born will be sent home. It could mean that the illegal foreign-born are sent home, but they have so much love at this point that a ticker tape parade to their amnesty ceremony is more likely.
If you think about what you wrote, you are admitting that the millions of never ending immigrants keeps rich folks from paying "fair wages" to American workers (not "bunch of Norwegians).
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| Posted: 01/12/18 5:18 pm ::: |
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| tfan wrote: |
| sambista wrote: |
randomly,
love me some ana navarro. she never holds back. bless her heart.
i'd rather gag myself with a fork, knife and spoon all at once than listen to chris cuomo for one second.
so some folks'll say trump's only being real, saying aloud what others are thinking. ok, then let's get all the way real and round up everyone who wasn't born here and send them away en masse, like the nazis did with another group of outcasts. let's see how the well-to-do fare. and let's see how willing trump would be to pay fair wages to a bunch of norwegians to work at his florida properties, instead of the haitians he has there now working for slave wages. |
Not wanting immigration doesn't mean that all the foreign-born will be sent home. It could mean that the illegal foreign-born are sent home, but they have so much love at this point that a ticker tape parade to their amnesty ceremony is more likely. |
tell that to the haitians and salvadoreans on their way out now. he'll be trying to kick out puerto ricans, too, until someone reminds him they're americans.
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| If you think about what you wrote, you are admitting that the millions of never ending immigrants keeps rich folks from paying "fair wages" to American workers (not "bunch of Norwegians"). |
not admitting anything, but the two aren't mutually exclusive.
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tell that to the haitians and salvadoreans on their way out now. he'll be trying to kick out puerto ricans, too, until someone reminds him they're americans. |
The Haitians and Salvadoreans are exactly that - Haitians and Salvadoreans. The US government prior to Trump that took them in never gave them permanent citizenship for some reason and subsequent administrations/Congress prior to Trump also chose not to give them permanent citizenship.
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| tfan wrote: |
| If you think about what you wrote, you are admitting that the millions of never ending immigrants keeps rich folks from paying "fair wages" to American workers (not "bunch of Norwegians"). |
not admitting anything, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. |
Keeping wages low for the rich to pay less, and keeping wages high for the poor to earn more are mutually exclusive. Economists will claim that immigration has no impact on wages and the rich happily quote them. Which means we can stop immigration (including illegal immigration) and the rich won't have to pay a penny more for workers. Let's force them to stand by their baloney and prevent the further escalation of housing costs, the further clogging of our roads, the further crowding of our schools etc.
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| Posted: 01/12/18 8:38 pm ::: |
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"new low".
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hold my beer:
Porn Star Who Claimed Encounter With Trump Received Hush Money, Wall Street Journal Reports
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| Posted: 01/13/18 2:13 am ::: |
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| GlennMacGrady wrote: |
| This incident reflects one thing that is seriously wrong with our culture, our politics and our media -- a hysterical focus on one noun used by one person in days of meetings on an immigration bill that is of vital importance to this nation. No analytical reporting on the substance of the bill, or on its hugely important economic effects, but just politically motivated clickbait derangement about the use of one vulgar noun. |
If only it WERE just "one vulgar noun". It's more than that: it's yet another weighty straw on the Camel's Back of decency. It's more proof of his ignorance of history and a humanitarian crisis white people have contributed to, historically. YOU should know better, Glenn....you're educated. But The Idiot continues to assault the decency of our nation's guiding principles and ethics with his Rich White Man's morality.
(Golden State's) David West took the opportunity to enlighten the mental midgets among us with a retrospective that includes an historical accounting delineating just HOW "shitholes" came to exist.
From the perspective of those who purport to avow "Christian Values" in our "Christian Democracy", I'd suggest taking the billions the 1% elite will garner in our new Tax Proposal, and give it freely to the citizenry of all Shitholes United. It's what Jesus would do.
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| The “pretty Korean lady” who was actually a CIA analyst assigned to briefing him. Or, as I like to think of it, this morning.
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| Posted: 01/14/18 12:17 pm ::: |
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hold my beer:
Porn Star Who Claimed Encounter With Trump Received Hush Money, Wall Street Journal Reports
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After reporting this on SNL Weekend Update, Colin Jost says "Let me just say what a thrill it is to be alive at a time where 'Pornstar Blackmails President' is like the 4th biggest story of the week. At this rate in a year from now we are gonna see the headline 'Trump Found With Dead Hooker' right next to the crossword puzzle."
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| Posted: 01/14/18 9:34 pm ::: |
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| To get respect, you have to earn respect. I can't respect this president. |
Nor can I! I have NEVER heard a president use the foul language he uses over and over. To make matters worse he lies and says he didn't say the things we all heard him say! He is a disgrace to this country except for his base!
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| Posted: 01/15/18 10:18 pm ::: Re: A new low for Trump |
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