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PostPosted: 01/08/18 11:13 am    ::: The Field of 64 Reply Reply with quote



Multiple Bid Conferences
8 P12
7 ACC
7 SEC
6 B10
4 B12
3 BEast
2 AAC
2 MAC
2 Horizon

Just Missed: Creghton, Miami (FL), Butler, Houston
Last In: Virginia, Utah, Michigan State, Ball State

How did I arrive at this?

First, I gave two points for a win over a top 25 RPI team and one for a win over a 26-50 RPI team.

Then, I subtracted one point for a loss to a 26-50 team, and two for a loss against a sub-50 team.

I then added points based on the remaining schedule: .5 for a game remaining against a top 25 RPI team and .25 for a game against a 26-50 RPI team.

Teams more than one game under .500 in conference are not allowed in.

Many teams were moved within the same seed to prevent teams in the same conference from meeting before the conference finals or to meet the new rules about conferences with top four seeds.

Ties went in favor of the team with the most points on current wins and losses. If still tied then better RPI.

The cut off for getting in as an at large was 0.25 points. It took 11.75 points to get a #1 seed.



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pilight wrote:


Multiple Bid Conferences
8 P12
7 ACC
7 SEC
6 B10
4 B12
3 BEast
2 AAC
2 MAC
2 Horizon

Just Missed: Creghton, Miami (FL), Butler, Houston
Last In: Virginia, Utah, Michigan State, Ball State

How did I arrive at this?

First, I gave two points for a win over a top 25 RPI team and one for a win over a 26-50 RPI team.

Then, I subtracted one point for a loss to a 26-50 team, and two for a loss against a sub-50 team.

I then added points based on the remaining schedule: .5 for a game remaining against a top 25 RPI team and .25 for a game against a 26-50 RPI team.

Teams more than one game under .500 in conference are not allowed in.

Many teams were moved within the same seed to prevent teams in the same conference from meeting before the conference finals or to meet the new rules about conferences with top four seeds.

Ties went in favor of the team with the most points on current wins and losses. If still tied then better RPI.

The cut off for getting in as an at large was 0.25 points. It took 11.75 points to get a #1 seed.


Notre Dame Fighting Irish will not be a # 1


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PostPosted: 01/08/18 11:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Wow, Baylor is a 7-seed. They need a tougher schedule.


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Ladyvol777 wrote:
pilight wrote:


Multiple Bid Conferences
8 P12
7 ACC
7 SEC
6 B10
4 B12
3 BEast
2 AAC
2 MAC
2 Horizon

Just Missed: Creghton, Miami (FL), Butler, Houston
Last In: Virginia, Utah, Michigan State, Ball State

How did I arrive at this?

First, I gave two points for a win over a top 25 RPI team and one for a win over a 26-50 RPI team.

Then, I subtracted one point for a loss to a 26-50 team, and two for a loss against a sub-50 team.

I then added points based on the remaining schedule: .5 for a game remaining against a top 25 RPI team and .25 for a game against a 26-50 RPI team.

Teams more than one game under .500 in conference are not allowed in.

Many teams were moved within the same seed to prevent teams in the same conference from meeting before the conference finals or to meet the new rules about conferences with top four seeds.

Ties went in favor of the team with the most points on current wins and losses. If still tied then better RPI.

The cut off for getting in as an at large was 0.25 points. It took 11.75 points to get a #1 seed.


Notre Dame Fighting Irish will not be a # 1


Who do you have replacing them?

Notre Dame will play Tennessee soon and Louisville on Thursday.


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Last In: Virginia, Utah, Michigan State, Ball State


Yet, they are seeded 10th or 11th. Does that mean every team seeded equal to or below them is a conference winner?
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PostPosted: 01/08/18 11:51 am    ::: Re: The Field of 64 Reply Reply with quote

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pilight wrote:

Last In: Virginia, Utah, Michigan State, Ball State


Yet, they are seeded 10th or 11th. Does that mean every team seeded equal to or below them is a conference winner?


A projected conference winner, yes



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If Michigan St is a #10 seed, where is my team?

In the real world, Baylor is a top seed. In the clunky algorithm world, I guess they're a #7 seed. Where does Charlie put them?



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If Michigan St is a #10 seed, where is my team?

In the real world, Baylor is a top seed. In the clunky algorithm world, I guess they're a #7 seed. Where does Charlie put them?


It's generally difficult to get a high seed with no top 25 wins and an SOS outside the top 100, especially coming from a conference outside the top five in CRPI.

However, you're correct that the committee is likely to be influenced by hype over substance.



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PostPosted: 01/08/18 2:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
If Michigan St is a #10 seed, where is my team?

In the real world, Baylor is a top seed. In the clunky algorithm world, I guess they're a #7 seed. Where does Charlie put them?


It's generally difficult to get a high seed with no top 25 wins and an SOS outside the top 100, especially coming from a conference outside the top five in CRPI.

However, you're correct that the committee is likely to be influenced by hype over substance.


WOW! Baylor has 0 Top 25 wins and a SOS outside of 100? That is just irresponsible scheduling, Kim.


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ucbart wrote:
pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
If Michigan St is a #10 seed, where is my team?

In the real world, Baylor is a top seed. In the clunky algorithm world, I guess they're a #7 seed. Where does Charlie put them?


It's generally difficult to get a high seed with no top 25 wins and an SOS outside the top 100, especially coming from a conference outside the top five in CRPI.

However, you're correct that the committee is likely to be influenced by hype over substance.


WOW! Baylor has 0 Top 25 wins and a SOS outside of 100? That is just irresponsible scheduling, Kim.


Their only top 50 win is the one over Stanford. That and the UCLA loss are Baylor's only games against the RPI top 50.



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PostPosted: 01/08/18 5:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The SpaceJunkie 64 Algorithm says:

Code:
 1. UConn             Notre Dame       Miss St           Oregon
 2. Louisville        South Carolina   Texas             Ohio St
 3. Rutgers           Florida St       Tennessee         Missouri
 4. UCLA              Green Bay        Arizona St        Iowa
 5. Marquette         Maryland         Texas A&M         Villanova
 6. Syracuse          South Flordia    Duke              Stanford
 7. Baylor            West Virginia    Quinnipiac        FGCU
 8. DePaul            Ball St          California        Michigan
 9. Western Kentucky  Oklahoma St      LSU               Georgia
10. South Dakota St   Princeton        Virginia          Michigan St
11. Central Michigan  Creighton        NC State          Northern Colorado
12. New Mexico        Houston          St. John's        Belmont
13. UC Davis          Mercer           Gonzaga           IUPUI
14. Duquesne          American         Central Arkansas  Hartford     
15. James Madison     Drake            High Point        Little Rock
16. Robert Morris     Bethune-Cookman  Jackson St        CSU Bakersfield

Last Four In:   St. John's, Houston, NC State, Creighton
First Four Out: Georgia Tech, Buffalo, USC, Butler




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PostPosted: 01/08/18 5:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
If Michigan St is a #10 seed, where is my team?

In the real world, Baylor is a top seed. In the clunky algorithm world, I guess they're a #7 seed. Where does Charlie put them?


It's generally difficult to get a high seed with no top 25 wins and an SOS outside the top 100, especially coming from a conference outside the top five in CRPI.

However, you're correct that the committee is likely to be influenced by hype over substance.


If Baylor gets treated like Maryland was last year, they are probably at best a 3-seed or at worst a 4-seed as of right now.


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PostPosted: 01/08/18 5:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
If Michigan St is a #10 seed, where is my team?


According to my formula (which predicts bubble teams well as is it had Cal and UNI in last year) right now Minnesota is approximately my 16th team out.
If Minnesota didn't lose to Nebraska, they'd probably be my 8th or 9th team out
If Minnesota didn't lose to both San Diego and Nebraska, they'd probably be in my last four in.


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SpaceJunkie wrote:
pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
If Michigan St is a #10 seed, where is my team?

In the real world, Baylor is a top seed. In the clunky algorithm world, I guess they're a #7 seed. Where does Charlie put them?


It's generally difficult to get a high seed with no top 25 wins and an SOS outside the top 100, especially coming from a conference outside the top five in CRPI.

However, you're correct that the committee is likely to be influenced by hype over substance.


If Baylor gets treated like Maryland was last year, they are probably at best a 3-seed or at worst a 4-seed as of right now.


Maryland had nine top 50 wins last season. Baylor could win out and not have that many. Baylor's non-con SOS is even worse than Maryland's was last year, and the B12 is rated worse than last year's B10.



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pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
If Michigan St is a #10 seed, where is my team?

In the real world, Baylor is a top seed. In the clunky algorithm world, I guess they're a #7 seed. Where does Charlie put them?


It's generally difficult to get a high seed with no top 25 wins and an SOS outside the top 100, especially coming from a conference outside the top five in CRPI.

However, you're correct that the committee is likely to be influenced by hype over substance.


The real issue for Baylor is how they do from here on out. They have two games each with Texas. West Virginia, Oklahoma St and Oklahoma, all currently top 50 teams (I believe OK St was 53 when these numbers were calculated, but I show them now at #50). They will also likely play two more in the Big 12 Conference tournament. If they go 8-2 in those games no one will care about their weak schedule and they will get at least a 3 seed, maybe a 2. If they win the Big 12 regular season and conference tournament they will get at least a 2. The weak schedule will only hurt Baylor if they slide to third or fourth in the Big 12. In that case the schedule will become a problem and Baylor could get a lower seed than their poll ranking would suggest.

I would also note that the resumes of Baylor and Oklahoma St are nearly identical, and yet OK St is a 4 and Baylor is a 7. Based on the calculation, I believe these are the differences : OK St beat Oklahoma and lost to Texas, Baylor hasn't played either yet (+.25), OK St beat #16 UCLA, Baylor beat #27 Stanford (+1), Baylor and OK St haven't played yet (+1). The last one is because Baylor is #20 and OK St is #53. This is not a criticism of the formula; just an acknowledgement that any numerical calculation at this point in time is bound to have anomalies.

Finally a question. Looking at Quinnipiac, they are shown as a 9 seed which would indicate they have a positive score, but when I look at there record they seem to have no wins over top 25 teams, no losses against sub-50 teams and are 2-2 vs. teams that are 26-50. They also have no more games against teams in the top 100. Is this just a calculation problem or am I missing something?


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Finally a question. Looking at Quinnipiac, they are shown as a 9 seed which would indicate they have a positive score, but when I look at there record they seem to have no wins over top 25 teams, no losses against sub-50 teams and are 2-2 vs. teams that are 26-50. They also have no more games against teams in the top 100. Is this just a calculation problem or am I missing something?


For some reason my parser picked up two schedule points for them. They should be at zero, which is a #11 seed.



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PostPosted: 01/15/18 8:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The NCAA elected not to publish the women's nitty gritty report today, so no projection. The men's report is available, of course.



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They must've given the WBB reports the holiday off. Confused
How do you parse the Nitty Gritty pdf? I don't know how to do it, and me doing it manually for my formula takes too much time. Smile


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They must've given the WBB reports the holiday off. Confused
How do you parse the Nitty Gritty pdf? I don't know how to do it, and me doing it manually for my formula takes too much time. Smile


I do it with excel. This site: https://pdftables.com/ does a marvelous job of converting pdf tables.



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Multiple Bid Conferences
8 ACC
7 P12
7 SEC
6 B12
5 B10
2 BEast
2 AAC
2 MAC
2 A10

Just Missed: Alabama, Brown, Nebraska, Villanova
Last In: Michigan State, Kansas State, Duquesne, TCU

How did I arrive at this?

First, I gave two points for a win over a top 25 RPI team and one for a win over a 26-50 RPI team.

Then, I subtracted one point for a loss to a 26-50 team, and two for a loss against a sub-50 team.

I then added points based on the remaining schedule: .5 for a game remaining against a top 25 RPI team and .25 for a game against a 26-50 RPI team.

Teams more than one game under .500 in conference are not allowed in.

Many teams were moved within the same seed to prevent teams in the same conference from meeting before the conference finals or to meet the new rules about conferences with top four seeds. In this instance four teams swapped seeds to avoid this. LSU moved up one and Virginia moved down one.

Ties went in favor of the team with the most points on current wins and losses. If still tied then better RPI.

The cut off for getting in as an at large was -1.25 points. It took 13.75 points to get a #1 seed.



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Welcome to the real world.... as far as Baylor goes. ND a one seed.... how long will that notion last? They don't have the feel of a credible #1 seed.



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Unfortunately not many do.


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Welcome to the real world.... as far as Baylor goes. ND a one seed.... how long will that notion last? They don't have the feel of a credible #1 seed.


Who would you put there ahead of them?



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I think SC should be higher. It seems they get pushed down more than other teams. BTW I was talking about recent rankings not above.


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Welcome to the real world.... as far as Baylor goes. ND a one seed.... how long will that notion last? They don't have the feel of a credible #1 seed.


Who would you put there ahead of them?


I'm not sure of that either. Seems like there's a separation between the Top 3 seeds and the next 9 seeds.

Baylor's only loss is on the road in a game when they didn't have their second best player and their coach. That's something you can't program into a simple algorithm. If Baylor was undefeated, would anybody be doubting them as a #1 seed?



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Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
Welcome to the real world.... as far as Baylor goes. ND a one seed.... how long will that notion last? They don't have the feel of a credible #1 seed.


Who would you put there ahead of them?


I'm not sure of that either. Seems like there's a separation between the Top 3 seeds and the next 9 seeds.

Baylor's only loss is on the road in a game when they didn't have their second best player and their coach. That's something you can't program into a simple algorithm. If Baylor was undefeated, would anybody be doubting them as a #1 seed?


They still haven't played much of anybody, and the B12 is still the weakest of the P5 conferences.



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Very interesting numbers once again.

As always the formula shows the problem with the RPI and its use. We start with a system that is highly simplistic and as a result creates many absurd results. Then those results are filtered again by using the initial rankings and applying them to determine a new set of rankings. Presumably this improves the process, but in so doing it creates more unintended consequences. Your formula does a good job of predicting what the Committee will do so I believe it has great value; the question is whether is whether it appropriately evaluates the teams.

To illustrate I use two Pac 12 games played on Sunday.

1) USC - Cal Cal beat USC which moved USC out of the top 50 and kept Cal in the top 25 (My calculations are rough, but I believe Cal would have been 26 (instead of 17) and USC would have been 42(54). Therefore if USC had won the impact on Cal and USC would have been zero (Cal has two wins over a sub 50 team now worth 0, if they had lost they would have 1 win and 1 loss over a 21-50 team worth net 0. USC has 2 losses against a top 25 team worth 0, had they lost they would be 1-1 vs a 26-50 team worth 0). By Cal winning every team that Cal played benefits while every team that USC played gets hurt. USC gets ranked ahead of both Stanford and Cal despite going 0-4 against the 2 schools, in part because USC losing to Cal cost Stanford 2 points.

2) Oregon - Oregon St Oregon avenged its Friday night overtime loss by beating the Beavers. Oregon's win didn't help them. They were already -2 for their first loss to the Beavers; had they lost a second time OSU would have jumped into the top 50 and each loss would only count as minus 1. The Beavers picked up 2 points for beating the Ducks Friday and could have picked up another two had they beaten them on Sunday. OSU and USC are both outside of the top 50 in the RPI, but both in the top 25 according to the formula.

OSU is the most miscast team in the country. In the three tiered system (1-25, 26-50, 51+) they are considered as a bottom tier team according to the RPI. But according to the formula they are 18th and they are top 20 in the computer rankings (Massey and Sagarin) and the polls. That difference affects every team they play. Among the top 25 RPI teams, I believe that Rutgers, Buffalo and Villanova at a minimum do not deserve that rating, while Michigan, Oklahoma St and Oregon St do. This is, with the exception of Rutgers, in conformity with the formula. Among the top 50, Northern Colorado, Houston and Toledo are the most undeserving.

Some of these ratings problems will be lessened as the season moves on. Washington St had been a top 50 team for a long time but finally fell out by virtue of playing Washington twice. Houston will almost certainly fall out of the top 50 unless they go undefeated the rest of the way. But for Rutgers, Buffalo and Villanova they will be overrated; it is just a matter of whether it will put them in the wrong tier.

And for me, hopefully the Committee will look more closely at the difference between beating a #48 team and a #52 team, or a #30 team and a #45 team, and even a #56 team and a #86 team.


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Your formula does a good job of predicting what the Committee will do so I believe it has great value; the question is whether is whether it appropriately evaluates the teams.


I'm sure it doesn't. I use RPI because the committee uses RPI, but even if we used a different system the same problems would persist. With 349 teams, most of whom don't play each other, there will always be teams that look better/worse than they really are no matter what kind of system you use. Sagarin, who has done the best in my tournament bracket competition of late, has Green Bay and South Florida in the top 20. Does any real person think they are among the 20 beat teams in the country? I would rate both of them behind LSU, who he has at #50. HerHoopStats has been much lauded of late, including getting their ratings mentioned on ESPN. They have Virginia Tech and Utah in the top 30. Neither is even a legit bubble team at this point. The ratings all have flaws. You just have to decide what you're willing to live with.



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Multiple Bid Conferences
8 ACC
7 P12
7 SEC
7 B10
4 B12
2 BEast
2 AAC
2 MAC
2 Summit

Just Missed: West Virginia, Duquesne, Villanova, Minnesota
Last In: Michigan State, South Dakota State, Ball State, TCU

How did I arrive at this?

First, I gave two points for a win over a top 25 RPI team and one for a win over a 26-50 RPI team.

Then, I subtracted one point for a loss to a 26-50 team, and two for a loss against a sub-50 team.

I then added points based on the remaining schedule: .5 for a game remaining against a top 25 RPI team and .25 for a game against a 26-50 RPI team.

Teams more than one game under .500 in conference are not allowed in.

Many teams were moved within the same seed to prevent teams in the same conference from meeting before the conference finals or to meet the new rules about conferences with top four seeds. In this instance four teams swapped seeds to avoid this. USC and Dayton moved up one; Miami (FL) and Michigan State moved down one.

Ties went in favor of the team with the most points on current wins and losses. If still tied then better RPI.

The cut off for getting in as an at large was -1.25 points. It took 14.5 points to get a #1 seed.



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Hey, pilight, your bracket image link is broken.


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Comparing your projection to Charlie Creme's latest, there are 4 teams on which you differ. You include USC (9), Ball St (10), TCU (10) and Michigan St (12) whereas Crème has West Virginia (6). Villanova (8). Purdue (10) and Creighton (10). If it were up to me I'd take West Virginia, Villanova, USC and TCU.


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Multiple Bid Conferences
8 ACC
7 P12
7 SEC
6 B10
4 B12
3 BEast
2 AAC
2 MAC
2 Summit

Just Missed: Duquesne, IUPUI, Minnesota, Virginia Tech
Last In: Ball State, Syracuse, Iowa, Villanova

How did I arrive at this?

First, I gave two points for a win over a top 25 RPI team and one for a win over a 26-50 RPI team.

Then, I subtracted one point for a loss to a 26-50 team, and two for a loss against a sub-50 team.

I then added points based on the remaining schedule: .5 for a game remaining against a top 25 RPI team and .25 for a game against a 26-50 RPI team.

Teams more than one game under .500 in conference are not allowed in.

Many teams were moved within the same seed to prevent teams in the same conference from meeting before the conference finals or to meet the new rules about conferences with top four seeds. In this instance two teams swapped seeds to avoid this. FGCU moved up one; Syracuse moved down one.

Ties went in favor of the team with the most points on current wins and losses. If still tied then better RPI.

The cut off for getting in as an at large was -2.75 points. It took 14.75 points to get a #1 seed.



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Many teams were moved within the same seed to prevent teams in the same conference from meeting before the conference finals or to meet the new rules about conferences with top four seeds. In this instance two teams swapped seeds to avoid this. FGCU moved up one; Syracuse moved down one.
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Did you not see that you have Miss St & TAMU and S Car & Georgia in the same region? Conference teams seeded 1-4 have to be separated unless there are more than 4 of them. That rule is in addition to the one about not meeting until the regional final. There are no SEC top16 teams in the Albany region. I'd say swap Fla St and Geo but then there would be a Geo-LSU game in the second round. I'd swap TAMU and Baylor. Tamu wouldn't face LSU until the regional final and none of the top 16 SEC schools would be in the same region.

The NCAA has so many rules now that they have to break at least one of them.


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pilight wrote:



Many teams were moved within the same seed to prevent teams in the same conference from meeting before the conference finals or to meet the new rules about conferences with top four seeds. In this instance two teams swapped seeds to avoid this. FGCU moved up one; Syracuse moved down one.
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Did you not see that you have Miss St & TAMU and S Car & Georgia in the same region? Conference teams seeded 1-4 have to be separated unless there are more than 4 of them. That rule is in addition to the one about not meeting until the regional final. There are no SEC top16 teams in the Albany region. I'd say swap Fla St and Geo but then there would be a Geo-LSU game in the second round. I'd swap TAMU and Baylor. Tamu wouldn't face LSU until the regional final and none of the top 16 SEC schools would be in the same region.

The NCAA has so many rules now that they have to break at least one of them.


There are more than four SEC teams in the top four seeds



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linkster wrote:
pilight wrote:



Many teams were moved within the same seed to prevent teams in the same conference from meeting before the conference finals or to meet the new rules about conferences with top four seeds. In this instance two teams swapped seeds to avoid this. FGCU moved up one; Syracuse moved down one.
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Did you not see that you have Miss St & TAMU and S Car & Georgia in the same region? Conference teams seeded 1-4 have to be separated unless there are more than 4 of them. That rule is in addition to the one about not meeting until the regional final. There are no SEC top16 teams in the Albany region. I'd say swap Fla St and Geo but then there would be a Geo-LSU game in the second round. I'd swap TAMU and Baylor. Tamu wouldn't face LSU until the regional final and none of the top 16 SEC schools would be in the same region.

The NCAA has so many rules now that they have to break at least one of them.


There are more than four SEC teams in the top four seeds


Miss State
Tenn
S.Car
Mizzou
Georgia
TAMU



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Seeing UCLA and Tennessee seeded ahead of Baylor is making me nauseous, but thanks for the Minnesota props.



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Seeing UCLA and Tennessee seeded ahead of Baylor is making me nauseous, but thanks for the Minnesota props.


Yeah.



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Seeing UCLA and Tennessee seeded ahead of Baylor is making me nauseous, but thanks for the Minnesota props.


Yeah.


yeah this is no bueno . one of these #1 seeds will have to possibly face baylor . A clear cut top 4 team in the country . Hopefully its not Miss. State again .



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Sure, it's not like UCLA beat Baylor or anything

But don't worry, Baylor will get their #1 or #2 seed and we'll get even fewer good non-conference matchups. Why schedule anyone good when you can get a high seed with a full slate of cupcakes?



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cthskzfn wrote:
Shades wrote:
Seeing UCLA and Tennessee seeded ahead of Baylor is making me nauseous, but thanks for the Minnesota props.


Yeah.


yeah this is no bueno . one of these #1 seeds will have to possibly face baylor . A clear cut top 4 team in the country . Hopefully its not Miss. State again .


IMO, if Baylor wins out, at worse they will be the top #2 seed (#5 overall).


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Sure, it's not like UCLA beat Baylor or anything

But don't worry, Baylor will get their #1 or #2 seed and we'll get even fewer good non-conference matchups. Why schedule anyone good when you can get a high seed with a full slate of cupcakes?


Last year that was the difference between them being the #3 overall seed and #4 overall seed, which, in retrospect, would've given them a much easier path the the Final Four/Championship game.


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pilight wrote:
Sure, it's not like UCLA beat Baylor or anything

But don't worry, Baylor will get their #1 or #2 seed and we'll get even fewer good non-conference matchups. Why schedule anyone good when you can get a high seed with a full slate of cupcakes?


Last year that was the difference between them being the #3 overall seed and #4 overall seed, which, in retrospect, would've given them a much easier path the the Final Four/Championship game.


That win for UCLA vs Baylor has a few Asterisks next to them

*No Coach Mulkey
*No Lauren Cox
*Pauley Pavillion

Both make a huuuge difference . If they meet again in the tourney i dont think the bruins get by .



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SpaceJunkie wrote:
pilight wrote:
Sure, it's not like UCLA beat Baylor or anything

But don't worry, Baylor will get their #1 or #2 seed and we'll get even fewer good non-conference matchups. Why schedule anyone good when you can get a high seed with a full slate of cupcakes?


Last year that was the difference between them being the #3 overall seed and #4 overall seed, which, in retrospect, would've given them a much easier path the the Final Four/Championship game.


That win for UCLA vs Baylor has a few Asterisks next to them

*No Coach Mulkey
*No Lauren Cox
*Pauley Pavillion

Both make a huuuge difference . If they meet again in the tourney i dont think the bruins get by .


Baylor doesn't have much else to hang their hat on. Creighton has more games against the top 25 and the top 50 than Baylor does. If the committee rewards the Bears despite the Baylorizing of the schedule, it will lead to even more cupcake scheduling.



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pilight wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
SpaceJunkie wrote:
pilight wrote:
Sure, it's not like UCLA beat Baylor or anything

But don't worry, Baylor will get their #1 or #2 seed and we'll get even fewer good non-conference matchups. Why schedule anyone good when you can get a high seed with a full slate of cupcakes?


Last year that was the difference between them being the #3 overall seed and #4 overall seed, which, in retrospect, would've given them a much easier path the the Final Four/Championship game.


That win for UCLA vs Baylor has a few Asterisks next to them

*No Coach Mulkey
*No Lauren Cox
*Pauley Pavillion

Both make a huuuge difference . If they meet again in the tourney i dont think the bruins get by .


Baylor doesn't have much else to hang their hat on. Creighton has more games against the top 25 and the top 50 than Baylor does. If the committee rewards the Bears despite the Baylorizing of the schedule, it will lead to even more cupcake scheduling.


Not going to lie , i was one that thought mulkey was being a soft punk A** with the schedule she put together. Next year i doubt she does that since she has the top recruiting class smh . Running from the competition deserves to comeback and bite her now that i think about it .



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Yep and its not the first time she has done it, Maryland learned that hard lesson Cool


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linkster wrote:
pilight wrote:



Many teams were moved within the same seed to prevent teams in the same conference from meeting before the conference finals or to meet the new rules about conferences with top four seeds. In this instance two teams swapped seeds to avoid this. FGCU moved up one; Syracuse moved down one.
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Did you not see that you have Miss St & TAMU and S Car & Georgia in the same region? Conference teams seeded 1-4 have to be separated unless there are more than 4 of them. That rule is in addition to the one about not meeting until the regional final. There are no SEC top16 teams in the Albany region. I'd say swap Fla St and Geo but then there would be a Geo-LSU game in the second round. I'd swap TAMU and Baylor. Tamu wouldn't face LSU until the regional final and none of the top 16 SEC schools would be in the same region.

The NCAA has so many rules now that they have to break at least one of them.


There are more than four SEC teams in the top four seeds


Exactly. But that means that 3 regions need to have one and only one region two. You have the 5 teams in 3 regions.


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pilight wrote:
linkster wrote:
pilight wrote:



Many teams were moved within the same seed to prevent teams in the same conference from meeting before the conference finals or to meet the new rules about conferences with top four seeds. In this instance two teams swapped seeds to avoid this. FGCU moved up one; Syracuse moved down one.
.


Did you not see that you have Miss St & TAMU and S Car & Georgia in the same region? Conference teams seeded 1-4 have to be separated unless there are more than 4 of them. That rule is in addition to the one about not meeting until the regional final. There are no SEC top16 teams in the Albany region. I'd say swap Fla St and Geo but then there would be a Geo-LSU game in the second round. I'd swap TAMU and Baylor. Tamu wouldn't face LSU until the regional final and none of the top 16 SEC schools would be in the same region.

The NCAA has so many rules now that they have to break at least one of them.


There are more than four SEC teams in the top four seeds


Miss State
Tenn
S.Car
Mizzou
Georgia
TAMU


Missouri is a 5 seed.


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Seeing UCLA and Tennessee seeded ahead of Baylor is making me nauseous, but thanks for the Minnesota props.


I'd rather have to play both of them than one game against Baylor.


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pilight wrote:
linkster wrote:
pilight wrote:



Many teams were moved within the same seed to prevent teams in the same conference from meeting before the conference finals or to meet the new rules about conferences with top four seeds. In this instance two teams swapped seeds to avoid this. FGCU moved up one; Syracuse moved down one.
.


Did you not see that you have Miss St & TAMU and S Car & Georgia in the same region? Conference teams seeded 1-4 have to be separated unless there are more than 4 of them. That rule is in addition to the one about not meeting until the regional final. There are no SEC top16 teams in the Albany region. I'd say swap Fla St and Geo but then there would be a Geo-LSU game in the second round. I'd swap TAMU and Baylor. Tamu wouldn't face LSU until the regional final and none of the top 16 SEC schools would be in the same region.

The NCAA has so many rules now that they have to break at least one of them.


There are more than four SEC teams in the top four seeds


Exactly. But that means that 3 regions need to have one and only one region two. You have the 5 teams in 3 regions.


That's not what the rule says. The rule says if there are more than four they don't have to all be separated.



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pilight wrote:
linkster wrote:
pilight wrote:
linkster wrote:
pilight wrote:



Many teams were moved within the same seed to prevent teams in the same conference from meeting before the conference finals or to meet the new rules about conferences with top four seeds. In this instance two teams swapped seeds to avoid this. FGCU moved up one; Syracuse moved down one.
.


Did you not see that you have Miss St & TAMU and S Car & Georgia in the same region? Conference teams seeded 1-4 have to be separated unless there are more than 4 of them. That rule is in addition to the one about not meeting until the regional final. There are no SEC top16 teams in the Albany region. I'd say swap Fla St and Geo but then there would be a Geo-LSU game in the second round. I'd swap TAMU and Baylor. Tamu wouldn't face LSU until the regional final and none of the top 16 SEC schools would be in the same region.

The NCAA has so many rules now that they have to break at least one of them.


There are more than four SEC teams in the top four seeds


Exactly. But that means that 3 regions need to have one and only one region two. You have the 5 teams in 3 regions.


That's not what the rule says. The rule says if there are more than four they don't have to all be separated.


They can't ALL be separated but only what is necessary. But then I've learned to not predict what the committee does. If you are correct then they are free to put 4 in one region.


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